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March 14, 2016 at 10:35 AM #795675March 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM #795677
SK in CV
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flyer]
I don’t think we can lump everyone together. It would be like saying all wines are the same — they all contain alcohol, and made of grape. Some wines are clearly superior.
There are qualitative differences; and smart, perceptive people recognize the differences.[/quote]Not surprising that you believe that. Take a look at these: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis
And I love this show – “Adam ruins everything”. It takes on all that you hold near and dear, Brian. Here is his bit on wine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdcG7PlkAg0
Why can’t you accept that all of the candidates are abysmal and that simply saying “I’m a liberal” doesn’t make someone a good person nor does saying “I’m a conservative” make someone bad? You also realize that since people want to believe this liberal/conservative good/bad dichotomy that bad people (being bad) will say that they are liberal because it will make people think that they are good . . . . Ka-chow.
Individuals are individuals. Like wine, you have to decide which ones you like on a case by case basis.[/quote]
Huh? Wine tasting is subjective, ergo, all politicians are abysmal? That’s your argument to counter the claim that all candidates aren’t the same?
March 14, 2016 at 11:40 AM #795680an
ParticipantTrump, Trump, Trump. This is the shit I’m afraid off.
March 14, 2016 at 3:15 PM #795693XBoxBoy
ParticipantHere’s an ad being run by an anti-trump PAC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkSRJSUY0vs
Given that women are 50% of voters, this could be a problem…
March 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM #795696bearishgurl
Participant[quote=flyer][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flyer]
It’s sad to watch all of the conflict fueled by selling these empty
promises–again, on both sides–paired with the desperation of so many people who actually believe any politician can change their lives in any meaningful way.[/quote]Why do you feel the necessity to add “on both sides”. All that does is enable extremists by saying there’s an equivalent opposite side.
Come on, we are taking about Trump here. He’s been disavowed by the last 2 Republican nominees — John Mc Cain and Mitt Romney. There is no equivalent on the democratic side.[/quote]
I added “both sides,” because, as others who have posted have also mentioned, many of us clearly see the qualities you so abhor (caged or otherwise) in other candidates, as well as Trump.
The desperation of the masses (on both sides) to crown a political savior is unlike anything I have seen in my lifetime, and clearly illustrates how hopeless millions of people feel about life.
Blatant empty promises are now, more than ever, the lifeblood of most campaigns, and the electorate mere pawns in a game that, at its core, has little, if anything to do with sincere intentions of changing the destinies of most Americans.
Sadly, most will find, after the fact, that their lives were not transformed as promised, and the cycle will begin again.[/quote]flyer, have you seen any of the recent videos put out by the MSM showing the sheer desolation of “rust belt cities” such as in OH and MI and interviewing its (now chronically-unemployed) inhabitants?
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.
You see, flyer, you and I ALREADY GOT OURS and GOT OUT of the “rat race” with our union-negotiated pensions and benefits for life! But how would you like to be a ~40-year-old lifetime union member with 3 kids in school and told your lifetime job will be ending because the factory in which you are employed is moving its operations to MX in a few months? Um …. the “seniority” you have acquired over the years won’t do you any good in this instance.
For example, Lorrain, OH (where Trump and Sanders have set up campaign offices) has been a literal ghost town for years due to its longtime steel factories “outsourcing” of ALL their (former) living-wage jobs to China. Two more steel factories are set to close at the end of this month:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hard-hit-ohio-steel-town-trump-and-sanders-resonate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJkjJCvgSE
Three Ford plants in this part of OH were closed about five years ago. The following (2011) video states that their factories will be renovated into other factories or warehouses in the next four years (ostensibly to create “replacement jobs”) but of course, NOTHING has been done with any of them as of today:
https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KIo9RhJOdWG24ATtgsnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ–?p=lorain%2C+OH+lost+auto+assembly+jobs&vid=db08d84b17242d089949be9cca682ae4&turl=http%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.Va0ecc0235132566772e7d8e0cb0998fd%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D170%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.foxnews.com%2Fv%2F1211307075001%2Fford-closing-assembly-plant-in-ohio%2F&tit=Ford+Closing+Assembly+Plant+in+Ohio&c=0&h=170&w=300&l=111&sigr=12dt4v4hi&sigt=113lqaspd&sigi=131kce5fb&age=1318230000&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yhs-mozilla-002&hsimp=yhs-002&hspart=mozilla&tt=b
I think more than a few Piggs currently sitting in their Sorrento Valley (SD) offices (with carefully-placed SD indigenous plants out their professionally-landscaped office windows situated on a modern “company campus” with a running track/obstacle course and cafeteria with CA farm-fresh “organic” food for their employees’ lunchtime enjoyment) are a little happier with their lives and thus, much happier with the “status quo” than they would be if they were longtime “rust-belt dwellers” who now have genuinely hardscrabble lives.
Our “representative Pigg group” is undoubtedly ALSO happier than they would be than if they were longtime (LEGAL-resident) Otay Mesa (SD) dwellers (with multiple family members as neighbors) who now have the US Homeland Security Dept’s bright lights on high-beam shining through their windows all night while desperate illegal immigrants are constantly attempting to jump their backyard fences to temporarily “hide” in their backyards from the border patrol’s jeeps and helicopters.
NONE of this “discontent” with the status quo today is about race, people. It’s primarily about our porous borders, lack of employment opportunities and often being “forced” into “welfare programs” due to having no other choice (college degree or not). And those “welfare programs” INCLUDE Obamacare and all the rules and regs that go along with accepting a “subsidy” to help pay its exorbitant premiums, however “paltry” that subsidy may be.
We all need to be able to put ourselves into other Americans’ shoes (who don’t live and work in a SD, CA area of $700K+ homes) to understand exactly what is going on here with Election ’16. Having regularly traveled by road to 17+ states (some dozens of times) all of my life, I’ve seen things that a good portion of the rest of you likely never come into contact with and can’t possibly envision in your wildest dreams. Remaining in your bubbles whilst taking personally all this “campaign rhetoric” and believing it is all about YOU (are you listening, flu?) and stating that the pure “campaign rhetoric” we’re hearing is an intentional overt put-down of all races except “white” is skirting the real issues.
What US-citizen parents of minor kids on this forum SHOULD be worried about, IMO, is IF there will be any slots left for their UC/CSU-bound kid when the time comes after each campus admits their “fair share” of students with a CA HS diploma who are suspected NOT to be US citizens. This is so because the law forbids the admission boards to ask each applicant’s citizenship on their applications! And you parents should be concerned as to whether that “Dream Act” student will be eligible for a Pell grant as well to comfortably get them thru all four years. The “Dream Act” applicant may have only spent 3-4 years in attendance at a CA public HS (the rest of their schooling was in MX) in order to produce the records necessary to “vet” their UC/CSU applications. Practically speaking, just because a college applicant proves they earned a CA public HS diploma with 3 or more years in attendance in no way proves they ever resided in the US to do so! They could have easily simply crossed the border every morning to attend a US school by using a friend or relative’s US address to prove a US residence for “enrollment purposes.” This happens every . single . school day in SD County with the respective District Administrators turning the other cheek with a “wink and a nod” whilst their area school parking lots are lined up with hundreds of motorists at each school site sporting Baja, CA license plates dropping off and picking up students. This has been going on for decades. In area HS’s, these “foreign-plated” vehicles overtly fill up the HS parking lots in broad daylight cuz the MX students (residing in MX? YES!) can drive themselves to school every morning with their newly-issued CA Driver Licenses, no less :=0
I think a lot of people are getting upset for the wrong reasons by the tactics employed by Election 2016 candidates. Especially SoCal residents.
I don’t see most of the “campaign promises” made by any candidate in Election ’16 as “empty.” I believe that a lot of them are actually doable given the “right” cabinet members placed in the “right” posts and the “right” mix in Congress.
And all of the above conditions don’t have to be present all at once to be successful in delivering ONE campaign promise.
And for the record, I am still registered as an “Independent.”
March 14, 2016 at 5:50 PM #795698ParticipantTrump, Trump, Trump. This is the shit I’m afraid off.
[/quote]There’s no need to be “afraid,” AN. Notice that most of the Trump protestors and those claiming Trump is a “racist” are nearly all misinformed, impressionable college students of the 18-22 year-old set. These are people who have likely never voted in a general election in their lives and are thus very inexperienced in studying the issues. Many (most) are lacking in critical thinking skills and are very impressionable.Check out the video below of a young (thoughtful) TX worker-bee (~30 yrs old) driving to work on his MC with two hero cameras (one facing him and one facing the road). He’s of Hispanic descent and states he grew up in a border town (El Paso or McAllen??) and traveled to MX often while growing up. Throughout the video where he considers all of the candidates out loud (and why he’s leaning towards Trump), he complains about a lot of his “facebook friends” calling Trump a “racist” without any justification and complains that he is unable to have an intelligent conversation about the real issues with any of them. It’s pretty enlightening to hear what Joe 6p young Hispanic voter thinks about the current crop of Presidential candidates. I can tell you that he is not alone … not by a long shot.
March 14, 2016 at 6:31 PM #795699njtosd
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
Huh? Wine tasting is subjective, ergo, all politicians are abysmal? That’s your argument to counter the claim that all candidates aren’t the same?[/quote]
The candidates are all bad in different ways. Tell me why one is worse than another, and provide data and I will consider it.
If you look up higher in the thread, you will see Brian’s view that the dems are better than Trump because, well, just because. Later he says that the candidates have similarities, like wines are similar because they are all made from grapes and have alcohol, but he believes that there are both candidates and wines that are just better than others and that “perceptive” people can see the distinction. My point is that (1) snobs incorrectly believe they can taste the difference between good wines and bad, and (2) snobs (like Brian) believe that their perceptiveness makes their chosen candidates superior – without need for more explanation. Sometimes there are good and bad candidates – unfortunately not this time – but there is no perceptive elite who can unerringly identify the good vs. the bad.
I don’t like Trump. I don’t like Hillary. I wish Bernie Sanders ideas were practical. I cried when Reagan was elected and it didn’t turn out to be all that bad. I thought Clinton was good (and under Clinton the economy was pretty good) but he brought the respect accorded to the office of the presidency to a new low with discussions of cigars and . . . such. People made fun of George W Bush’s intellect – but his grades were better than Kerry’s http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4684384. Somehow, however, Kerry felt that he was entitled to call Bush an idiot, and perceptive people like Brian took it as fact. For some reason many liberals smugly see themselves as the smart correct ones without feeling that they have to prove it. Two legs good, four legs bad . . .
My point is that there is not some perceptive elite who know who’s going to be good and no candidate is good “just because”.
March 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM #795702joec
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
flyer, have you seen any of the recent videos put out by the MSM showing the sheer desolation of “rust belt cities” such as in OH and MI and interviewing its (now chronically-unemployed) inhabitants?
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.
You see, flyer, you and I ALREADY GOT OURS and GOT OUT of the “rat race” with our union-negotiated pensions and benefits for life! But how would you like to be a ~40-year-old lifetime union member with 3 kids in school and told your lifetime job will be ending because the factory in which you are employed is moving its operations to MX in a few months? Um …. the “seniority” you have acquired over the years won’t do you any good in this instance.
For example, Lorrain, OH (where Trump and Sanders have set up campaign offices) has been a literal ghost town for years due to its longtime steel factories “outsourcing” of ALL their (former) living-wage jobs to China. Two more steel factories are set to close at the end of this month:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hard-hit-ohio-steel-town-trump-and-sanders-resonate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJkjJCvgSE
Three Ford plants in this part of OH were closed about five years ago. The following (2011) video states that their factories will be renovated into other factories or warehouses in the next four years (ostensibly to create “replacement jobs”) but of course, NOTHING has been done with any of them as of today:
https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KIo9RhJOdWG24ATtgsnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ–?p=lorain%2C+OH+lost+auto+assembly+jobs&vid=db08d84b17242d089949be9cca682ae4&turl=http%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.Va0ecc0235132566772e7d8e0cb0998fd%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D170%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.foxnews.com%2Fv%2F1211307075001%2Fford-closing-assembly-plant-in-ohio%2F&tit=Ford+Closing+Assembly+Plant+in+Ohio&c=0&h=170&w=300&l=111&sigr=12dt4v4hi&sigt=113lqaspd&sigi=131kce5fb&age=1318230000&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yhs-mozilla-002&hsimp=yhs-002&hspart=mozilla&tt=b
I think more than a few Piggs currently sitting in their Sorrento Valley (SD) offices (with carefully-placed SD indigenous plants out their professionally-landscaped office windows situated on a modern “company campus” with a running track/obstacle course and cafeteria with CA farm-fresh “organic” food for their employees’ lunchtime enjoyment) are a little happier with their lives and thus, much happier with the “status quo” than they would be if they were longtime “rust-belt dwellers” who now have genuinely hardscrabble lives.
Our “representative Pigg group” is undoubtedly ALSO happier than they would be than if they were longtime (LEGAL-resident) Otay Mesa (SD) dwellers (with multiple family members as neighbors) who now have the US Homeland Security Dept’s bright lights on high-beam shining through their windows all night while desperate illegal immigrants are constantly attempting to jump their backyard fences to temporarily “hide” in their backyards from the border patrol’s jeeps and helicopters.
NONE of this “discontent” with the status quo today is about race, people. It’s primarily about our porous borders, lack of employment opportunities and often being “forced” into “welfare programs” due to having no other choice (college degree or not). And those “welfare programs” INCLUDE Obamacare and all the rules and regs that go along with accepting a “subsidy” to help pay its exorbitant premiums, however “paltry” that subsidy may be.
We all need to be able to put ourselves into other Americans’ shoes (who don’t live and work in a SD, CA area of $700K+ homes) to understand exactly what is going on here with Election ’16. Having regularly traveled by road to 17+ states (some dozens of times) all of my life, I’ve seen things that a good portion of the rest of you likely never come into contact with and can’t possibly envision in your wildest dreams. Remaining in your bubbles whilst taking personally all this “campaign rhetoric” and believing it is all about YOU (are you listening, flu?) and stating that the pure “campaign rhetoric” we’re hearing is an intentional overt put-down of all races except “white” is skirting the real issues.
What US-citizen parents of minor kids on this forum SHOULD be worried about, IMO, is IF there will be any slots left for their UC/CSU-bound kid when the time comes after each campus admits their “fair share” of students with a CA HS diploma who are suspected NOT to be US citizens. This is so because the law forbids the admission boards to ask each applicant’s citizenship on their applications! And you parents should be concerned as to whether that “Dream Act” student will be eligible for a Pell grant as well to comfortably get them thru all four years. The “Dream Act” applicant may have only spent 3-4 years in attendance at a CA public HS (the rest of their schooling was in MX) in order to produce the records necessary to “vet” their UC/CSU applications. Practically speaking, just because a college applicant proves they earned a CA public HS diploma with 3 or more years in attendance in no way proves they ever resided in the US to do so! They could have easily simply crossed the border every morning to attend a US school by using a friend or relative’s US address to prove a US residence for “enrollment purposes.” This happens every . single . school day in SD County with the respective District Administrators turning the other cheek with a “wink and a nod” whilst their area school parking lots are lined up with hundreds of motorists at each school site sporting Baja, CA license plates dropping off and picking up students. This has been going on for decades. In area HS’s, these “foreign-plated” vehicles overtly fill up the HS parking lots in broad daylight cuz the MX students (residing in MX? YES!) can drive themselves to school every morning with their newly-issued CA Driver Licenses, no less :=0
I think a lot of people are getting upset for the wrong reasons by the tactics employed by Election 2016 candidates. Especially SoCal residents.
I don’t see most of the “campaign promises” made by any candidate in Election ’16 as “empty.” I believe that a lot of them are actually doable given the “right” cabinet members placed in the “right” posts and the “right” mix in Congress.
And all of the above conditions don’t have to be present all at once to be successful in delivering ONE campaign promise.
And for the record, I am still registered as an “Independent.”[/quote]
Wow, hell must be freezing over as I think I actually agree with bg for once…
At the end of the day, it’s about jobs and people working and making a decent’s day pay and raising a family. That’s really not possible now and as most studies have concluded, apparently it’s actually not possible to get ahead anymore for most people even with hard work.
All that said, as someone who used to work in the tech industry making good money (100-200k) way back, I do agree that a lot of well to do people are pretty tone deaf on this topic. As someone who has also taken less paying jobs and seeing how other people work with less job security and dull work, the tech life and SV life (which tons of people are complaining about now like VCs on new people up there), that place is pretty crazy I think.
I think until it all implodes, nothing with change much though.
This will possibly lead to major problems maybe in 20-30 years when a lot of males are unemployed (like some places in Europe now) and it could get messy.
Also, what some people don’t like currently is there are plenty of abuses in tech from all the large firms with taxes (8k in taxes from Facebook in all of the UK?) At the end of the day, all the wage slaves and “regular” small businesses (me) have to cover all that. There are so many legal ways not just in tech, but with gov subsidies, energy credits/kick backs/laws, you name it.
I actually don’t agree with Sanders on the whole immigration thing. I probably support NO benefits to make it so people actually don’t want to come here illegally (and forcing everyone else to pay).
At this point, I only want someone who will try to dismantle and hopefully take all the pork and special backside door deals, etc…out and simplify things.
Healthcare for all, make it like every other country (yes, I am ok with NOT treating certain things (and we just die)) and save millions for every company out there and one less headache for companies to deal with. It will cost a lot of money, but companies don’t have to pay for it anymore (directly).
March 14, 2016 at 8:00 PM #795703FlyerInHi
GuestBG, whatever happened to the folks in Flyover country who have such work ethics that that they have paid off houses and garages full of expensive toys?
March 14, 2016 at 8:12 PM #795704Participant[quote=joec] . . . I actually don’t agree with Sanders on the whole immigration thing. I probably support NO benefits to make it so people actually don’t want to come here illegally (and forcing everyone else to pay).
At this point, I only want someone who will try to dismantle and hopefully take all the pork and special backside door deals, etc…out and simplify things.
Healthcare for all, make it like every other country (yes, I am ok with NOT treating certain things (and we just die)) and save millions for every company out there and one less headache for companies to deal with. It will cost a lot of money, but companies don’t have to pay for it anymore (directly).[/quote]Well, joec, I’m all in for that wall that Trump proposes (min of 20 feet high and solid smooth thick concrete or steel). As I posted before, If Trump gets the Republican nomination, I see him stumping at the Tijuana Estuary just south of Ream Field this summer/fall amid top brass of the USBP, Homeland Security, as well as SD Mayor Kevin Falconer, Supvsrs Dianne Jacob and Greg Cox in attendance with the latter three posing for the MSM each clutching with one hand a long black and white “snow pole” sunk in the sand. That pole will mark the west end of “the wall.” Likewise, the same exercise will be conducted by the Trump campaign just west of El Paso, TX, inside the NM border where NM Gov Susana Martinez and other TX and MX representatives will hold the snow pole for the cameras amid shouts of Trump, Trump, Trump and USA, signifying the east end of the wall. (The Rio Grande is the natural border between TX and MX.) This proposed wall will be just under 1000 miles long. The Rio Grande will still have to be manned by the USBP on the TX side but it is much less porous than the ~1000 mile land portion of the US/MX border due to the fast-moving river in most areas.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting or having a wall to separate the US from MX. People residing on the other side are free to attempt to cross through a manned checkpoint …. legally. With all the money we save on worker’s comp claims, jeeps and vans and the USBP chasing around people in the hot scrub trying to save illegal border-crossers from the elements and having to operate temporary holding facilities, we can have more gates, if necessary and “man” them a little more thoroughly (see the two paragraphs below) at as least most of the gates (not used for Sentri-Pass holders).
I also feel that non-US citizens attempting to cross thru a manned border gate with anything less than an official document which gives them the right to RESIDE in the US should be “vetted for entry” a little more thoroughly, depending upon time of day and other factors.
Examples: (1) Minor kids with backpacks attempting to cross into the US the early-morning hours on foot, with or without a parent and with or without an obvious school uniform on (this includes teenagers driving through in the early morning hour and adults driving school-age kids through in the early morning hours) and, (2) females trying to cross into the US who are obviously in the third trimester of pregnancy, whether or not they are the drivers or a passenger of a vehicle or are on foot.
I’m very skeptical of “universal health coverage,” mainly because I’ve always had a “real” insurance policy (a PPO), but I’m going to look into how that works exactly (esp if a “supplement” can be purchased, such as with Medicare). I like the idea of having a lot of insurance companies to choose from and having a policy which worked Nationwide for everything (incl a non-emergency doctor visit). I understand the problem of these companies previously redlining people with pre-existing conditions and that’s why I think we should go back to having a “state pool” where each “high risk” applicant is placed with a reputable carrier and the carriers are evenly rotated so that every one doing biz in that state has the same amount of high-risk insureds (just like with auto insurance). The rest of us policyholders could pay a little more so that these “high risk” people had “affordable” policies.
The above would still be cheaper than Obamacare, IMO. We wouldn’t have the expensive middlemen in the form of (incompetent) state “exchanges” mucking up the works and we wouldn’t have subsidies or the individual mandate so the IRS would be out of the picture. Insurance premiums would be cheaper overall because we wouldn’t be required to buy an “ACA-compliant” policy and we would have 6-10 carriers competing with each other to offer individual PPO plans and not just ONE like we do now in CA under the ACA. The poor can go on Medicaid and the Medicaid programs can remain “expanded” to catch people who are too poor to purchase polices but too “asset rich” under the old Medicaid rules to qualify for it.
March 14, 2016 at 8:15 PM #795705flyer
ParticipantI understand everyone’s POV–even if I don’t agree–and it is laughable to think that anyone feels they are in a position to determine who is “right” and who is “wrong”–especially when it comes to perceptions.
Sadly, even after the election is over, many–whomever they may turn out to be–will find that doing what they thought was “right” won’t really make much difference in the outcome of their lives.
Personally, I just can’t imagine putting my destiny or the destiny of my family into the hands of any politician, as millions seem to be doing in this election.
March 14, 2016 at 8:19 PM #795706Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, whatever happened to the folks in Flyover country who have such work ethics that that they have paid off houses and garages full of expensive toys?[/quote]Well, I haven’t checked with any of my “flyover-country” peeps (with or without paid off houses and “toys”) since the holidays. What is your question, exactly??
March 14, 2016 at 8:38 PM #795707Participant[quote=flyer]I understand everyone’s POV–even if I don’t agree–and it is laughable to think that anyone feels they are in a position to determine who is “right” and who is “wrong”–especially when it comes to perceptions.
Sadly, even after the election is over, many–whomever they may turn out to be–will find that doing what they thought was “right” won’t really make much difference in the outcome of their lives.
Personally, I just can’t imagine putting my destiny or the destiny of my family into the hands of any politician, as millions seem to be doing in this election.[/quote]flyer, I don’t think having any of these clowns for president will be a “cure-all.” But I DO believe that something can be done about the ACA and our porous border. It’s a joke and its porosity costs CA (AND the Federal Govm’t) a BUNDLE every year in the form of food aid, (partial) hospital reimbursement, paying for public school headcount by each desk filled daily, Federal and state jail/prison beds and supervision, Federal and state court expenses, Federal and State prosecutors and defenders (and their staff), free immunizations for children and on and ON and ON ….
The public schools down here are so full of daily border-crossing students that if a wall was built, many of the schools in the older neighborhoods would have to close as there are no more than a few dozen “legitimate” students who actually live in its attendance area!
Many of those daily “border-crossing students” translate into UC/CSU applicants with US HS diplomas in hand. But there is a BIG DIFFERENCE in those applicants and the thousands of foreign applicants from countries such as China, who will be paying the “full ride” to attend here. The “border-crossing HS-student-turned college applicant is a “resident” of CA for all intents and purposes and usually qualifies for Cal Grants and Pell Grants available to the poor.
This group is directly competing for YOUR kids’ seat at CA public universities and the only difference between you and them is that they’re not likely going to have to pay tuition fees out of their pocket, like you will, should you both be admitted!
It’s the biggest scam of all that Tijuana-area residents have been playing on the Golden State for many years … and our leaders were and are SUCKERS to allow them to do so.
March 14, 2016 at 8:42 PM #795708Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.[/quote]
BG – I grew up outside of Detroit and although my Dad wasn’t directly employed by the auto companies we were supported by the auto companies once removed, like almost everyone in Detroit. I could see in the 1980s that Detroit was in a death spiral and when I looked for a job I looked in Chicago as did my sister and brother. I know lots of people who stayed because it was easier to hang around where things were familiar (and getting cheaper by the day). People are responsible for finding work where the work exists – the world is not responsible for providing jobs where people choose to live (which is how my Irish ancestors ended up in the U.S. . . . )
The death of Detroit is attributable to the over reaching of the auto unions and the tendency of Detroit politicians to tax city businesses who couldn’t vote against them (the owners generally weren’t city residents). In addition, the weather is as bad in Detroit as it is good in San Diego. My Dad’s firm moved from downtown to the suburbs due to the political climate and the growing crime problem. . . and I haven’t heard of many businesses moving back.
We as individuals are responsible for finding a way to support our families. No one owes me a job anywhere. If I’m lucky enough to get a job in the place that I want – that’s a plus. People need to prepare themselves for engineering jobs in Minnesota and Wisconsin or wherever, not comparative religion “jobs” in San Diego. And if they don’t prepare themselves, they are at the mercy of the job creators. Maybe it’s not desirable – but as long as people blame their failures on factors outside of their control they are destined for more failure.
March 14, 2016 at 8:58 PM #795710Guest[quote=njtosd][quote=bearishgurl]
The “desperation” you describe isn’t about race. It’s about families which have, for generations, been able to support themselves with union factory jobs with full benefits and now find themselves permanently out of work and their long-owned homes worth nearly nothing, due to lack of living-wage jobs in the area. They can’t even sell their homes and transfer out of the region for a better job and likely can’t find good renters because there aren’t any living-wage jobs in the region. I can see why these people feel that they’re “stuck” and frustrated with NAFTA, etc.[/quote]
BG – I grew up outside of Detroit and although my Dad wasn’t directly employed by the auto companies we were supported by the auto companies once removed, like almost everyone in Detroit. I could see in the 1980s that Detroit was in a death spiral and when I looked for a job I looked in Chicago as did my sister and brother. I know lots of people who stayed because it was easier to hang around where things were familiar (and getting cheaper by the day). People are responsible for finding work where the work exists – the world is not responsible for providing jobs where people choose to live (which is how my Irish ancestors ended up in the U.S. . . . )
The death of Detroit is attributable to the over reaching of the auto unions and the tendency of Detroit politicians to tax city businesses who couldn’t vote against them (the owners generally weren’t city residents). In addition, the weather is as bad in Detroit as it is good in San Diego. My Dad’s firm moved from downtown to the suburbs due to the political climate and the growing crime problem. . . and I haven’t heard of many businesses moving back.
We as individuals are responsible for finding a way to support our families. No one owes me a job anywhere. If I’m lucky enough to get a job in the place that I want – that’s a plus. People need to prepare themselves for engineering jobs in Minnesota and Wisconsin or wherever, not comparative religion “jobs” in San Diego. And if they don’t prepare themselves, they are at the mercy of the job creators. Maybe it’s not desirable – but as long as people blame their failures on factors outside of their control they are destined for more failure.[/quote]
njtosd, it’s funny, but BG said the same thing about housing and jobs in San Diego. Be prepared to move.
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