Piggs and their single daughters?

[drboom]

[quote=davelj]
I don’t disapprove. I’m just noting the inherent humor in providing the counsel that one should, “Marry immediately… but have a mature mistress.”[/quote]

Franklin may have done that, but that’s not what his letter says. He actually says “Marry immediately … but if you won’t, a mature mistress is better than a younger one.”

[quote]I’ve never suggested that “hot” was incompatible with mature (in fact I’ve noted the opposite can be the case), although that is GENERALLY the case (this applies to males of the species as well).[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion. But, to butcher Forrest Gump, “hot is as hot does”.

[quote]A misogynist is “one who hates women” (courtesy of Dictionary.com).[/quote]

Please don’t cherry pick definitions to suit your argument, lest folks start grumbling about hoists and petards. From your source:

—————
mi⋅sog⋅y⋅ny [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]

-noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women
—————

Your mistrust and deep seated dislike of women is manifest in your entire approach to the subject at hand.

I’m not moralizing, just pointing out the obvious. There’s nothing wrong with consensual relations between people who treat each other as pleasure appliances.

[quote]I rather like women. Some I’ve even loved. What exactly – and please be precise (that is, use quotes) – have I written anywhere in the pages of Piggington that suggests that I hate women. This should be interesting…[/quote]

Sometimes you’re not the smartest guy in the room. Save the condescension for “hot” chicks without much else to recommend them–maybe they’ll be impressed with your “confidence”.

[briansd1]

In the 18th century, men married for estate planning and social advancement, not love. Old maids needed husbands before they got too old and are forced to enter the convent.

Ben Franklin is telling his friend: “stop wasting time and money on the young mistresses. Marry a mature woman who will take care of you and secure your future as a respectable man. Transgressions are perfectly acceptable so if you tire of your wife, find yourself a mistress.”

Ben was just pragmatic of the mores of the time.

There are plenty of “old” bitter middle age, single or divorced women of the me generation, in SD, who can’t find husbands. Time will tell if they age gracefully. I doubt it.

I think that modern women have it wrong. They want social advancement and financial protection plus they want romantic love. It usually doesn’t work out that way.

18th century women were more realistic of what they could get out of marriage.

[briansd1]

In the 18th century, men married for estate planning and social advancement, not love. Old maids needed husbands before they got too old and are forced to enter the convent.

Ben Franklin is telling his friend: “stop wasting time and money on the young mistresses. Marry a mature woman who will take care of you and secure your future as a respectable man. Transgressions are perfectly acceptable so if you tire of your wife, find yourself a mistress.”

Ben was just pragmatic of the mores of the time.

There are plenty of “old” bitter middle age, single or divorced women of the me generation, in SD, who can’t find husbands. Time will tell if they age gracefully. I doubt it.

I think that modern women have it wrong. They want social advancement and financial protection plus they want romantic love. It usually doesn’t work out that way.

18th century women were more realistic of what they could get out of marriage.

[briansd1]

In the 18th century, men married for estate planning and social advancement, not love. Old maids needed husbands before they got too old and are forced to enter the convent.

Ben Franklin is telling his friend: “stop wasting time and money on the young mistresses. Marry a mature woman who will take care of you and secure your future as a respectable man. Transgressions are perfectly acceptable so if you tire of your wife, find yourself a mistress.”

Ben was just pragmatic of the mores of the time.

There are plenty of “old” bitter middle age, single or divorced women of the me generation, in SD, who can’t find husbands. Time will tell if they age gracefully. I doubt it.

I think that modern women have it wrong. They want social advancement and financial protection plus they want romantic love. It usually doesn’t work out that way.

18th century women were more realistic of what they could get out of marriage.

[briansd1]

In the 18th century, men married for estate planning and social advancement, not love. Old maids needed husbands before they got too old and are forced to enter the convent.

Ben Franklin is telling his friend: “stop wasting time and money on the young mistresses. Marry a mature woman who will take care of you and secure your future as a respectable man. Transgressions are perfectly acceptable so if you tire of your wife, find yourself a mistress.”

Ben was just pragmatic of the mores of the time.

There are plenty of “old” bitter middle age, single or divorced women of the me generation, in SD, who can’t find husbands. Time will tell if they age gracefully. I doubt it.

I think that modern women have it wrong. They want social advancement and financial protection plus they want romantic love. It usually doesn’t work out that way.

18th century women were more realistic of what they could get out of marriage.

[briansd1]

In the 18th century, men married for estate planning and social advancement, not love. Old maids needed husbands before they got too old and are forced to enter the convent.

Ben Franklin is telling his friend: “stop wasting time and money on the young mistresses. Marry a mature woman who will take care of you and secure your future as a respectable man. Transgressions are perfectly acceptable so if you tire of your wife, find yourself a mistress.”

Ben was just pragmatic of the mores of the time.

There are plenty of “old” bitter middle age, single or divorced women of the me generation, in SD, who can’t find husbands. Time will tell if they age gracefully. I doubt it.

I think that modern women have it wrong. They want social advancement and financial protection plus they want romantic love. It usually doesn’t work out that way.

18th century women were more realistic of what they could get out of marriage.

[Noob]

Wow, reading comprehension is very low amongst the piggs today.

But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking that Commerce with the Sex is inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice that in your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones.

Ben is clearly advising the reader to marry, but if you’re not going to do that, have your fun with an older woman.

He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.

[Noob]

Wow, reading comprehension is very low amongst the piggs today.

But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking that Commerce with the Sex is inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice that in your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones.

Ben is clearly advising the reader to marry, but if you’re not going to do that, have your fun with an older woman.

He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.

[Noob]

Wow, reading comprehension is very low amongst the piggs today.

But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking that Commerce with the Sex is inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice that in your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones.

Ben is clearly advising the reader to marry, but if you’re not going to do that, have your fun with an older woman.

He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.

[Noob]

Wow, reading comprehension is very low amongst the piggs today.

But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking that Commerce with the Sex is inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice that in your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones.

Ben is clearly advising the reader to marry, but if you’re not going to do that, have your fun with an older woman.

He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.

[Noob]

Wow, reading comprehension is very low amongst the piggs today.

But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking that Commerce with the Sex is inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice that in your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones.

Ben is clearly advising the reader to marry, but if you’re not going to do that, have your fun with an older woman.

He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.

[briansd1]

[quote=Noob]
He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.[/quote]

Ben Franklin didn’t say not to get a mistress after getting married either.

Mistresses were perfectly acceptable back then and a wife would often encourage, consent and cover up her husband’s transgressions just to protect the reputation of the family.

I read between the lines and provided a modern translation. Back then, people were very subtle in their writing.

Back then, in order to be respectable you needed to be of “good” family and upbringing and own land. Ben Franklin was advising his friend to become “respectable” and marriage was just part of the deal. Nothing to do with the modern concepts of romantic love, mutual respect and self-fulfillment.

[briansd1]

[quote=Noob]
He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.[/quote]

Ben Franklin didn’t say not to get a mistress after getting married either.

Mistresses were perfectly acceptable back then and a wife would often encourage, consent and cover up her husband’s transgressions just to protect the reputation of the family.

I read between the lines and provided a modern translation. Back then, people were very subtle in their writing.

Back then, in order to be respectable you needed to be of “good” family and upbringing and own land. Ben Franklin was advising his friend to become “respectable” and marriage was just part of the deal. Nothing to do with the modern concepts of romantic love, mutual respect and self-fulfillment.

[briansd1]

[quote=Noob]
He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.[/quote]

Ben Franklin didn’t say not to get a mistress after getting married either.

Mistresses were perfectly acceptable back then and a wife would often encourage, consent and cover up her husband’s transgressions just to protect the reputation of the family.

I read between the lines and provided a modern translation. Back then, people were very subtle in their writing.

Back then, in order to be respectable you needed to be of “good” family and upbringing and own land. Ben Franklin was advising his friend to become “respectable” and marriage was just part of the deal. Nothing to do with the modern concepts of romantic love, mutual respect and self-fulfillment.

[briansd1]

[quote=Noob]
He is NOT saying to marry an older woman, nor marry and then get a mistress, of any age.[/quote]

Ben Franklin didn’t say not to get a mistress after getting married either.

Mistresses were perfectly acceptable back then and a wife would often encourage, consent and cover up her husband’s transgressions just to protect the reputation of the family.

I read between the lines and provided a modern translation. Back then, people were very subtle in their writing.

Back then, in order to be respectable you needed to be of “good” family and upbringing and own land. Ben Franklin was advising his friend to become “respectable” and marriage was just part of the deal. Nothing to do with the modern concepts of romantic love, mutual respect and self-fulfillment.

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