[OT] WSJ: “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior”

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.

There’s a happy-medium to be had. I think most of us know how important being able to relate to people is important for success in business and life. The kind of kids the article talks about often are outwardly extremely successful until college and burn out. Some become successful doctors, the sort of person who is good at their job but viewed as “weird” by coworkers, and in the case of Doctors the kind that has horrid bedside manner.

A good parent is like a good government; it regulates but doesn’t micromanage.[/quote]

I know many Asians and I beg to disagree. Asians are not “friends” with their parents the way White Americans are but they take care of their parents. In fact, they will sacrifice for their parents (by marrying the right person and having grand-children to make their parents happy).

In old age, Asians are less likely to end up abandonned in nursing homes then their White counterparts.

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.
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Funny you mentioned that. A couple of the asian girls I use to study with really resented thier fathers. I didn’t even think of that.

Another incident I remember was a bunch of them skipping out on school to go see the movie “Joy Luck Club” and how they all showed up at lab feeling like they could relate. I didn’t see the movie for years after and only watched because of the profound affect it had on these girls. Very sad story.

But, on the flip side I was joking with my asian wife last time we were in SF how 20 years ago all asian kids were smart, geeky, and akward. Now they have just as many tattoos, pericings, and in general, fvcking up, just as fast as white kids.

So I guess that sterotype has actually passed.

FLU, as for your daughter, don’t worry, when you send her to Blackwater Summer Camp, they will teach her how to be assertive and commanding during close quarter combat training! 😛

CE

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.
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Funny you mentioned that. A couple of the asian girls I use to study with really resented thier fathers. I didn’t even think of that.

Another incident I remember was a bunch of them skipping out on school to go see the movie “Joy Luck Club” and how they all showed up at lab feeling like they could relate. I didn’t see the movie for years after and only watched because of the profound affect it had on these girls. Very sad story.

But, on the flip side I was joking with my asian wife last time we were in SF how 20 years ago all asian kids were smart, geeky, and akward. Now they have just as many tattoos, pericings, and in general, fvcking up, just as fast as white kids.

So I guess that sterotype has actually passed.

FLU, as for your daughter, don’t worry, when you send her to Blackwater Summer Camp, they will teach her how to be assertive and commanding during close quarter combat training! 😛

CE

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.
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Funny you mentioned that. A couple of the asian girls I use to study with really resented thier fathers. I didn’t even think of that.

Another incident I remember was a bunch of them skipping out on school to go see the movie “Joy Luck Club” and how they all showed up at lab feeling like they could relate. I didn’t see the movie for years after and only watched because of the profound affect it had on these girls. Very sad story.

But, on the flip side I was joking with my asian wife last time we were in SF how 20 years ago all asian kids were smart, geeky, and akward. Now they have just as many tattoos, pericings, and in general, fvcking up, just as fast as white kids.

So I guess that sterotype has actually passed.

FLU, as for your daughter, don’t worry, when you send her to Blackwater Summer Camp, they will teach her how to be assertive and commanding during close quarter combat training! 😛

CE

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.
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Funny you mentioned that. A couple of the asian girls I use to study with really resented thier fathers. I didn’t even think of that.

Another incident I remember was a bunch of them skipping out on school to go see the movie “Joy Luck Club” and how they all showed up at lab feeling like they could relate. I didn’t see the movie for years after and only watched because of the profound affect it had on these girls. Very sad story.

But, on the flip side I was joking with my asian wife last time we were in SF how 20 years ago all asian kids were smart, geeky, and akward. Now they have just as many tattoos, pericings, and in general, fvcking up, just as fast as white kids.

So I guess that sterotype has actually passed.

FLU, as for your daughter, don’t worry, when you send her to Blackwater Summer Camp, they will teach her how to be assertive and commanding during close quarter combat training! 😛

CE

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[quote=poorgradstudent]When I was a grad student I taught and worked with a lot of Asian undergrads. From what I picked up, most resented their parents at some level, especially their “Asian Dads”. I imagine that upon becoming financially independent and cutting the purse strings most will almost never call or visit their parents.
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Funny you mentioned that. A couple of the asian girls I use to study with really resented thier fathers. I didn’t even think of that.

Another incident I remember was a bunch of them skipping out on school to go see the movie “Joy Luck Club” and how they all showed up at lab feeling like they could relate. I didn’t see the movie for years after and only watched because of the profound affect it had on these girls. Very sad story.

But, on the flip side I was joking with my asian wife last time we were in SF how 20 years ago all asian kids were smart, geeky, and akward. Now they have just as many tattoos, pericings, and in general, fvcking up, just as fast as white kids.

So I guess that sterotype has actually passed.

FLU, as for your daughter, don’t worry, when you send her to Blackwater Summer Camp, they will teach her how to be assertive and commanding during close quarter combat training! 😛

CE

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[quote=jpinpb] They are taking hard classes.[/quote]

They’re either geniuses or the classes are not hard enough. My guess is that it’s the latter and not the former. That’s speaking from personal experiences. My memory was refreshed the other day when I looked at an old Chinese math competition practise book at the higher elementary grade level. I honestly couldn’t do most of them, certainly not in the time allowed in the test. And I’m as educated as they come at the risk of sounding haughty. In comparison the materials (natural sciences)covered in a typical american school are a joke.

Also speaking from my Chinese mentality–Getting an “A” was easy and a given. So it was not important. What was important to me was to be No 1. If I were the 3rd kid to get an A in the class, it would’ve been a total disaster.

That said, as someone here commented, the best thing to do is to have a good balance and not go to either extreme.

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[quote=jpinpb] They are taking hard classes.[/quote]

They’re either geniuses or the classes are not hard enough. My guess is that it’s the latter and not the former. That’s speaking from personal experiences. My memory was refreshed the other day when I looked at an old Chinese math competition practise book at the higher elementary grade level. I honestly couldn’t do most of them, certainly not in the time allowed in the test. And I’m as educated as they come at the risk of sounding haughty. In comparison the materials (natural sciences)covered in a typical american school are a joke.

Also speaking from my Chinese mentality–Getting an “A” was easy and a given. So it was not important. What was important to me was to be No 1. If I were the 3rd kid to get an A in the class, it would’ve been a total disaster.

That said, as someone here commented, the best thing to do is to have a good balance and not go to either extreme.

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[quote=jpinpb] They are taking hard classes.[/quote]

They’re either geniuses or the classes are not hard enough. My guess is that it’s the latter and not the former. That’s speaking from personal experiences. My memory was refreshed the other day when I looked at an old Chinese math competition practise book at the higher elementary grade level. I honestly couldn’t do most of them, certainly not in the time allowed in the test. And I’m as educated as they come at the risk of sounding haughty. In comparison the materials (natural sciences)covered in a typical american school are a joke.

Also speaking from my Chinese mentality–Getting an “A” was easy and a given. So it was not important. What was important to me was to be No 1. If I were the 3rd kid to get an A in the class, it would’ve been a total disaster.

That said, as someone here commented, the best thing to do is to have a good balance and not go to either extreme.

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[quote=jpinpb] They are taking hard classes.[/quote]

They’re either geniuses or the classes are not hard enough. My guess is that it’s the latter and not the former. That’s speaking from personal experiences. My memory was refreshed the other day when I looked at an old Chinese math competition practise book at the higher elementary grade level. I honestly couldn’t do most of them, certainly not in the time allowed in the test. And I’m as educated as they come at the risk of sounding haughty. In comparison the materials (natural sciences)covered in a typical american school are a joke.

Also speaking from my Chinese mentality–Getting an “A” was easy and a given. So it was not important. What was important to me was to be No 1. If I were the 3rd kid to get an A in the class, it would’ve been a total disaster.

That said, as someone here commented, the best thing to do is to have a good balance and not go to either extreme.

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[quote=jpinpb] They are taking hard classes.[/quote]

They’re either geniuses or the classes are not hard enough. My guess is that it’s the latter and not the former. That’s speaking from personal experiences. My memory was refreshed the other day when I looked at an old Chinese math competition practise book at the higher elementary grade level. I honestly couldn’t do most of them, certainly not in the time allowed in the test. And I’m as educated as they come at the risk of sounding haughty. In comparison the materials (natural sciences)covered in a typical american school are a joke.

Also speaking from my Chinese mentality–Getting an “A” was easy and a given. So it was not important. What was important to me was to be No 1. If I were the 3rd kid to get an A in the class, it would’ve been a total disaster.

That said, as someone here commented, the best thing to do is to have a good balance and not go to either extreme.

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[quote=jpinpb]As maybe politically incorrect as the article, I’ll be somewhat the same. And I admit I will be generalizing. I’ve noticed that Asians are shy, timid, awkward, socially inept, unhappy, withdrawn and even cold. Sure they thrive in the environment that was pushed upon them, science, bookwork. But I suggest that one needs to have more than that to function in the corporate world. For example, how many connections are made on the golf course?[/quote]

That maybe the perception, but that’s because most Asians we encounter are only one generation removed from immigration.

At one point, Asians were poor immmigrants yearning for a better life in America. That is changing now as Asians have assimilated in America, and the new immigrants are coming form well-to-do families as students. This new generation is confident and able to seemlessly move between cultures.

I’ve heard say that the Chinese are the Jewish people of Asia. My experience shows that there’s truth to that. The big difference is that there are plenty more Chinese people in the world than they are Jewish.

Brain and money are the great equalizers and they are the “strength” that’s needed to thrive in the modern world.

If you look at real estate investments, you will see plenty of Jewish, Asian, Arabic, Persian, Indian names. They are taking over because they have the brains. They deserve to win; and all the more power to them, IMHO.

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[quote=jpinpb]As maybe politically incorrect as the article, I’ll be somewhat the same. And I admit I will be generalizing. I’ve noticed that Asians are shy, timid, awkward, socially inept, unhappy, withdrawn and even cold. Sure they thrive in the environment that was pushed upon them, science, bookwork. But I suggest that one needs to have more than that to function in the corporate world. For example, how many connections are made on the golf course?[/quote]

That maybe the perception, but that’s because most Asians we encounter are only one generation removed from immigration.

At one point, Asians were poor immmigrants yearning for a better life in America. That is changing now as Asians have assimilated in America, and the new immigrants are coming form well-to-do families as students. This new generation is confident and able to seemlessly move between cultures.

I’ve heard say that the Chinese are the Jewish people of Asia. My experience shows that there’s truth to that. The big difference is that there are plenty more Chinese people in the world than they are Jewish.

Brain and money are the great equalizers and they are the “strength” that’s needed to thrive in the modern world.

If you look at real estate investments, you will see plenty of Jewish, Asian, Arabic, Persian, Indian names. They are taking over because they have the brains. They deserve to win; and all the more power to them, IMHO.

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[quote=jpinpb]As maybe politically incorrect as the article, I’ll be somewhat the same. And I admit I will be generalizing. I’ve noticed that Asians are shy, timid, awkward, socially inept, unhappy, withdrawn and even cold. Sure they thrive in the environment that was pushed upon them, science, bookwork. But I suggest that one needs to have more than that to function in the corporate world. For example, how many connections are made on the golf course?[/quote]

That maybe the perception, but that’s because most Asians we encounter are only one generation removed from immigration.

At one point, Asians were poor immmigrants yearning for a better life in America. That is changing now as Asians have assimilated in America, and the new immigrants are coming form well-to-do families as students. This new generation is confident and able to seemlessly move between cultures.

I’ve heard say that the Chinese are the Jewish people of Asia. My experience shows that there’s truth to that. The big difference is that there are plenty more Chinese people in the world than they are Jewish.

Brain and money are the great equalizers and they are the “strength” that’s needed to thrive in the modern world.

If you look at real estate investments, you will see plenty of Jewish, Asian, Arabic, Persian, Indian names. They are taking over because they have the brains. They deserve to win; and all the more power to them, IMHO.

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[quote=jpinpb]As maybe politically incorrect as the article, I’ll be somewhat the same. And I admit I will be generalizing. I’ve noticed that Asians are shy, timid, awkward, socially inept, unhappy, withdrawn and even cold. Sure they thrive in the environment that was pushed upon them, science, bookwork. But I suggest that one needs to have more than that to function in the corporate world. For example, how many connections are made on the golf course?[/quote]

That maybe the perception, but that’s because most Asians we encounter are only one generation removed from immigration.

At one point, Asians were poor immmigrants yearning for a better life in America. That is changing now as Asians have assimilated in America, and the new immigrants are coming form well-to-do families as students. This new generation is confident and able to seemlessly move between cultures.

I’ve heard say that the Chinese are the Jewish people of Asia. My experience shows that there’s truth to that. The big difference is that there are plenty more Chinese people in the world than they are Jewish.

Brain and money are the great equalizers and they are the “strength” that’s needed to thrive in the modern world.

If you look at real estate investments, you will see plenty of Jewish, Asian, Arabic, Persian, Indian names. They are taking over because they have the brains. They deserve to win; and all the more power to them, IMHO.

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