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January 31, 2017 at 8:47 AM #22263January 31, 2017 at 9:00 AM #805240
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ParticipantI hope Drumpf will be on the impeachment block soon enough. “YOU’RE FIRED!” Immigration is one of the only things that makes the US worth living in.
January 31, 2017 at 9:12 AM #805241
CoronitaParticipantWhy worry about it until we hear about it?
People here on H1-Bs probably will get the option to get their greencards as before.If at all, it means wages are going up and costs to consumers are going up probably. From what I could tell, the bi-partisan proposal is to set a minimum wage for H1-Bs (lol), which for the most part most large employers are probably already doing more or less (at least the large ones in San Diego).
I think both of my tenants were on H1-B and probably close enough to their greencards. Both of them started out around $100k/year on W2 before bonus and stock grants anyway.
If this means it’s going to drive up cost and create high skill shortage and drive up my already grossly inflated wages, well fine by me….I’ll milk it for what its worth…Lol…..
January 31, 2017 at 10:35 AM #805244lifeisgood
ParticipantI’m all for legal immigration and a proper vetting process for those who enter our country. You’re 100% correct. Immigration is one of the things that makes the US worth living in. I just hope that the government comes up with a new vetting system sooner rather than later. I would say most of the refugees and people on work visas are upstanding hard working people. However, I don’t even want one immigrant to come here and do harm to even one US citizen. I don’t know anyone who feels differently than me on that point.
January 31, 2017 at 11:09 AM #805245outtamojo
Participantyeah so to protect the citizens we put ’em on reservations.
January 31, 2017 at 11:17 AM #805247FlyerInHi
GuestFlu, some people will benefit, but like you said on the other thread “they will go somewhere else”, talented immigrants that is.
Most of tech is now services and India is looking to develop their own companies. It is good for them if software developers cannot come here.
Remember that our competitive advantage is that with the internet, our dominant companies(like facebook) can operate across borders essentially without local licensing simply because of consumer demand. One day, dominant foreign companies may do the same to us.
I predict that once china becomes the biggest economy, there will be a big shift, unless we encourage even much more immigration
If I were china and India, i would rejoice at the Trump presidency. If I were U.K., Australia, Canada, etc, I would diversify from the US and work deals with China and India. Wait… they already are
January 31, 2017 at 11:28 AM #805248CoronitaParticipantOh please. Stop with the refugee coming and killing people hysteria. How many refugees to date have committed mass murderer in the us?
Versus how many domestic citizens committed mass murder with their easy access to getting a gun?
Let’s see.
Movie theater massacre.
Elementary school shootings.
Workplace shootings.
Middle and high school shooting.
Murder of Christina Grimmie…How many of these were done by Muslim refugees.
Almost all of these were committed by , for the lack of better word, gun toting american white people. But, when they do it..We call that mental illness. Because we want keep the status quo on ease access to guns.
You and your kids are probably more likely to get killed by a gun nut with mental illness or someone with bad case of road rage than a refugee. I worry more about that than the refugees.
January 31, 2017 at 11:41 AM #805249Participant[quote=flu]Oh please. Stop with the refugee coming and killing people hysteria. How many refugees to date have committed mass murderer in the us?
Versus how many domestic citizens committed mass murder with their easy access to getting a gun?
Let’s see.
Movie theater massacre.
Elementary school shootings.
Workplace shootings.
Middle and high school shooting.
Murder of Christina Grimmie…How many of these were done by Muslim refugees.
Almost all of these were committed by , for the lack of better word, gun toting american white people. But, when they do it..We call that mental illness. Because we want keep the status quo on ease access to guns.
You and your kids are probably more likely to get killed by a gun nut with mental illness or someone with bad case of road rage than a refugee. I worry more about that than the refugees.[/quote]
I completely agree with your entire statement. I said in my statement that most people coming here are hard working people that have no intent to harm anyone. You’re 100% right on having our own problematic citizens. We certainly don’t need anymore. Europe is seeing many more problems with their refugees committing crimes. I think we SHOULD ALLOW ANYONE to come to the US that has been properly vetted and wants to contribute. This isn’t a new idea. We, and the rest of the world control who comes in and out of its border. By the way, I don’t think Trump is handling any of these decisions on immigration the right way. He should utilize his experts in congress to come up with the best plan that we can. I am certainly not an immigration expert.
I really liked your opinion on the effect of limiting or doing away with working visas. It helped me a lot.
January 31, 2017 at 11:53 AM #805250CoronitaParticipant[quote=lifeisgood][quote=flu]Oh please. Stop with the refugee coming and killing people hysteria. How many refugees to date have committed mass murderer in the us?
Versus how many domestic citizens committed mass murder with their easy access to getting a gun?
Let’s see.
Movie theater massacre.
Elementary school shootings.
Workplace shootings.
Middle and high school shooting.
Murder of Christina Grimmie…How many of these were done by Muslim refugees.
Almost all of these were committed by , for the lack of better word, gun toting american white people. But, when they do it..We call that mental illness. Because we want keep the status quo on ease access to guns.
You and your kids are probably more likely to get killed by a gun nut with mental illness or someone with bad case of road rage than a refugee. I worry more about that than the refugees.[/quote]
I completely agree with your entire statement. I said in my statement that most people coming here are hard working people that have no intent to harm anyone. You’re 100% right on having our own problematic citizens. We certainly don’t need anymore. Europe is seeing many more problems with their refugees committing crimes. I think we SHOULD ALLOW ANYONE to come to the US that has been properly vetted and wants to contribute. This isn’t a new idea. We, and the rest of the world control who comes in and out of its border. By the way, I don’t think Trump is handling any of these decisions on immigration the right way. He should utilize his experts in congress to come up with the best plan that we can. I am certainly not an immigration expert.
I really liked your opinion on the effect of limiting or doing away with working visas. It helped me a lot.[/quote]
I wasn’t directing this at you btw. It’s just funny that so many people are worried about refugees and the same people arent worried about guns. It’s as if they rationalize that since I am a responsible gun owner, everyone else that went through the vetting process is OK too and we don’t need to make the vetting process stronger. We don’t need to monitor gun owners. We don’t need gun owners to go through a medical exam every so often to see if they are still are mentally competent to own a gun the same way we test older people to see if they are physically competent to drive a car. Nor would support such intrusions to individual rights.
But when it comes to muslim refugees. Well shit, let’s attach a monitoring device to them because they could be a terrorist.
Boston bombers were from chechyna…I don’t see a ban from there.
January 31, 2017 at 1:02 PM #805251no_such_reality
Participant[quote=flu]Oh please. Stop with the refugee coming and killing people hysteria. How many refugees to date have committed mass murderer in the us?
Versus how many domestic citizens committed mass murder with their easy access to getting a gun?
Let’s see.
Movie theater massacre.
Elementary school shootings.
Workplace shootings.
Middle and high school shooting.
Murder of Christina Grimmie…How many of these were done by Muslim refugees.
Almost all of these were committed by , for the lack of better word, gun toting american white people. But, when they do it..We call that mental illness. Because we want keep the status quo on ease access to guns.
You and your kids are probably more likely to get killed by a gun nut with mental illness or someone with bad case of road rage than a refugee. I worry more about that than the refugees.[/quote]
Hey hey hey now, stop making sense. Next thing you know you’ll be talking about extreme vetting of people purchasing multiple weapons of moderate destruction.
January 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM #805253Guest[quote=lifeisgood] However, I don’t even want one immigrant to come here and do harm to even one US citizen. I don’t know anyone who feels differently than me on that point.[/quote]
Usually just an excuse to limit immigration.
There are costs and benefits to a free society. I’m surprised free market libertarians don’t make this point very often.To me, one or two bad apples are worth the benefits. Better than a permanent costly siege. Nothing is 100% safe.
January 31, 2017 at 2:53 PM #805258Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=lifeisgood] However, I don’t even want one immigrant to come here and do harm to even one US citizen. I don’t know anyone who feels differently than me on that point.[/quote]
Usually just an excuse to limit immigration.
There are costs and benefits to a free society. I’m surprised free market libertarians don’t make this point very often.To me, one or two bad apples are worth the benefits. Better than a permanent costly siege. Nothing is 100% safe.[/quote]
Great point! I just hope that we can get close to a maybe a 90% solution. Either way, I don’t get paid to make decisions.
February 1, 2017 at 1:51 PM #805276kev374
Participantnothing really changes for the people working for actual American companies who pay market wages.. I know H1bs here in Southern California making equal to the market rate.
It’s the body shopping Indian companies that are abusing the whole system – Infosys, Wipro, TCS etc. They are the ones paying 50% of the market wage using various loopholes. In addition, they apply for 4 times the number of visas needed to saturate the H1b lottery. This prevents other American companies that have legitimate needs without access to the visas.
Infosys, TCS, Wipro etc. need to be banned from the program permanently. If they want to do Software Development let them do it in India.
The greater problem is the L1 visa which is abused even more. L1 was created to move employees temporarily between branch offices of American companies and not to bring thousands of people en masse to work onsite for a 3rd party client. This practice must be banned immediately.
An L1 worker must be prohibited to work at a address that is different from the company’s address in the US. Additionally they should be required to leave after a maximum of 90 days unless serious justification is given why they need to stay.
Further, I think L1 and H1b visas should not at all be given to ANY company that has laid off American workers in the same category in the past 3 years.
February 1, 2017 at 5:41 PM #805277ParticipantNapa Valley, H-2A temporary visa for seasonal work. Duration 6 months. Need 40 workers. Work, grape vineyard work. Pay $12.57.
Apparently the going rate.
But if you can’t hire 40 people isn’t the going rate really higher?
This is what Trump got tagged on for his workers in Florida.
February 1, 2017 at 6:59 PM #805278GuestTrump wants thin goodlooking staff from Eastern Europe. It shows that his club is “high class”. For what Trump is willing to pay he would only get Americans who would otherwise work at Denny’s.
Ana Navarro said that her family owns several hotels in South Florida and they are able to hire Americans. Why not Trump?
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