OT – Who will run for President on the Republican side?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Brian: I couldn’t agree more. Speaking of foreign policy and national interest, whose ideas are being implemented by Obama?

That was a serious question, BTW, if you’d like to answer it.[/quote]

Hillary Clinton’s? ;)[/quote]

Touche, sir, well played! No, the correct answer is: Dubya (which is to say, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al).

While I thought Obama did a good job on Libya, the overarching Bush Doctrine remains solidly in place and continues to function. And nobody seems to question anything. Scary and sad, all at the same time.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.[/quote]

Nor-LA: You make a good point and one that is often overlooked: There ARE jobs available, but many are constrained from taking them, because they’re financially tied to an underwater home loan and thus cannot afford to move. This reverse mobility exerts an undertow that many don’t see, because so much of the focus has been on the unemployment numbers, not the jobs that go begging for this reason.

Another major factor in the jobs go begging category is that we’ve done a shit poor job of preparing our workforce for the challenges of the modern workplace.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.[/quote]

Nor-LA: You make a good point and one that is often overlooked: There ARE jobs available, but many are constrained from taking them, because they’re financially tied to an underwater home loan and thus cannot afford to move. This reverse mobility exerts an undertow that many don’t see, because so much of the focus has been on the unemployment numbers, not the jobs that go begging for this reason.

Another major factor in the jobs go begging category is that we’ve done a shit poor job of preparing our workforce for the challenges of the modern workplace.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.[/quote]

Nor-LA: You make a good point and one that is often overlooked: There ARE jobs available, but many are constrained from taking them, because they’re financially tied to an underwater home loan and thus cannot afford to move. This reverse mobility exerts an undertow that many don’t see, because so much of the focus has been on the unemployment numbers, not the jobs that go begging for this reason.

Another major factor in the jobs go begging category is that we’ve done a shit poor job of preparing our workforce for the challenges of the modern workplace.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.[/quote]

Nor-LA: You make a good point and one that is often overlooked: There ARE jobs available, but many are constrained from taking them, because they’re financially tied to an underwater home loan and thus cannot afford to move. This reverse mobility exerts an undertow that many don’t see, because so much of the focus has been on the unemployment numbers, not the jobs that go begging for this reason.

Another major factor in the jobs go begging category is that we’ve done a shit poor job of preparing our workforce for the challenges of the modern workplace.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Pri: I certainly do not hold the GOP harmless, but you cannot ascribe ALL of Obama’s woes to a recalcitrant Republican Party, especially on issues like healthcare reform. In truth, Obama held ALL the cards, as well as significant political capital, and badly bungled it. Also in truth, he should have focused on jobs first, with healthcare to follow, instead of the contrary.[/quote]

To focus of Job’s you need to focus on the economy , and to focus on the economy you have to focus on the home owner Debt, And trust me
“NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT”
But you are right, the biggest mistake Obama made was to focus on health care, but again go back to the sentence above.[/quote]

Nor-LA: You make a good point and one that is often overlooked: There ARE jobs available, but many are constrained from taking them, because they’re financially tied to an underwater home loan and thus cannot afford to move. This reverse mobility exerts an undertow that many don’t see, because so much of the focus has been on the unemployment numbers, not the jobs that go begging for this reason.

Another major factor in the jobs go begging category is that we’ve done a shit poor job of preparing our workforce for the challenges of the modern workplace.

[The-Shoveler]

Yes it’s in immobility but it’s much much more than that, it’s also all the people who are not underwater but refuse to take a loss so they cannot/will not upgrade, downgrade relocate or even buy new stuff.
There is a very large sociological factor no one talks about either, you cannot have an economic recovery when 30 % loan owners owe 90K more than current value and probably another 30% paid 90K more, and no short sale is not going to cure that. Also the Cities have based their current revenue expectations on 2005, and they are going to be in constant funds shortage until they address that, AND NOONE DEFINITELY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT !!!.

[The-Shoveler]

Yes it’s in immobility but it’s much much more than that, it’s also all the people who are not underwater but refuse to take a loss so they cannot/will not upgrade, downgrade relocate or even buy new stuff.
There is a very large sociological factor no one talks about either, you cannot have an economic recovery when 30 % loan owners owe 90K more than current value and probably another 30% paid 90K more, and no short sale is not going to cure that. Also the Cities have based their current revenue expectations on 2005, and they are going to be in constant funds shortage until they address that, AND NOONE DEFINITELY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT !!!.

[The-Shoveler]

Yes it’s in immobility but it’s much much more than that, it’s also all the people who are not underwater but refuse to take a loss so they cannot/will not upgrade, downgrade relocate or even buy new stuff.
There is a very large sociological factor no one talks about either, you cannot have an economic recovery when 30 % loan owners owe 90K more than current value and probably another 30% paid 90K more, and no short sale is not going to cure that. Also the Cities have based their current revenue expectations on 2005, and they are going to be in constant funds shortage until they address that, AND NOONE DEFINITELY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT !!!.

[The-Shoveler]

Yes it’s in immobility but it’s much much more than that, it’s also all the people who are not underwater but refuse to take a loss so they cannot/will not upgrade, downgrade relocate or even buy new stuff.
There is a very large sociological factor no one talks about either, you cannot have an economic recovery when 30 % loan owners owe 90K more than current value and probably another 30% paid 90K more, and no short sale is not going to cure that. Also the Cities have based their current revenue expectations on 2005, and they are going to be in constant funds shortage until they address that, AND NOONE DEFINITELY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT !!!.

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