OT – Who will run for President on the Republican side?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?[/quote]

Pri: So, I’m prevented from using certain words and facts in rebutting or refuting what you’re saying? In spite of the fact that that is EXACTLY what you asked me to do?

Yes, I was aware of the Obama Executive Order and have been for quite a while. Its window dressing, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has made no serious move to enforce it (reminiscent of Bill Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act).

Gitmo is both valuable and convenient to the administration and the National Security State apparatus. Renditions continue, as do Patriot I and II. You speak about “scary shit”, but are unwilling to discuss the really “scary shit”, i.e. how is that a Constitutional Law professor continues the inarguably feckless and dangerous policies of his predecessor and no one says anything about it? We are seeing a constant and unrelenting assault on our civil liberties, and from a Black President no less, and you offer up a throwaway Executive Order and Google article about Congress blocking funding. If Obama were serious, Gitmo would be closed.

If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill, instead of the pap he’s getting ready to sell post-vacation.

If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.

If Obama was serious, he’d LEAD. And not from behind.

Two expressions come to mind, and both from the Army. First, “There is no substitute for decisive leadership” (Patton’s corollary: “A good plan, violently executed right now, is infinitely better than the perfect plan, executed next week”).

The second is: “No plan survives contact” (George Foreman’s corollary: “Everybody has a plan. Then they get hit”). I mention this axiom to head off any potential excuses on behalf of Obama, like, “The Republicans are obstructionist”, “There was that tsunami in Japan”, “There was the Arab Spring”, “There was the Arab Summer”, “Hurricane Irene”, “The dog ate my homework”.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that there is “scary shit” out there and someone needs to LEAD the nation out of it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?[/quote]

Pri: So, I’m prevented from using certain words and facts in rebutting or refuting what you’re saying? In spite of the fact that that is EXACTLY what you asked me to do?

Yes, I was aware of the Obama Executive Order and have been for quite a while. Its window dressing, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has made no serious move to enforce it (reminiscent of Bill Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act).

Gitmo is both valuable and convenient to the administration and the National Security State apparatus. Renditions continue, as do Patriot I and II. You speak about “scary shit”, but are unwilling to discuss the really “scary shit”, i.e. how is that a Constitutional Law professor continues the inarguably feckless and dangerous policies of his predecessor and no one says anything about it? We are seeing a constant and unrelenting assault on our civil liberties, and from a Black President no less, and you offer up a throwaway Executive Order and Google article about Congress blocking funding. If Obama were serious, Gitmo would be closed.

If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill, instead of the pap he’s getting ready to sell post-vacation.

If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.

If Obama was serious, he’d LEAD. And not from behind.

Two expressions come to mind, and both from the Army. First, “There is no substitute for decisive leadership” (Patton’s corollary: “A good plan, violently executed right now, is infinitely better than the perfect plan, executed next week”).

The second is: “No plan survives contact” (George Foreman’s corollary: “Everybody has a plan. Then they get hit”). I mention this axiom to head off any potential excuses on behalf of Obama, like, “The Republicans are obstructionist”, “There was that tsunami in Japan”, “There was the Arab Spring”, “There was the Arab Summer”, “Hurricane Irene”, “The dog ate my homework”.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that there is “scary shit” out there and someone needs to LEAD the nation out of it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?[/quote]

Pri: So, I’m prevented from using certain words and facts in rebutting or refuting what you’re saying? In spite of the fact that that is EXACTLY what you asked me to do?

Yes, I was aware of the Obama Executive Order and have been for quite a while. Its window dressing, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has made no serious move to enforce it (reminiscent of Bill Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act).

Gitmo is both valuable and convenient to the administration and the National Security State apparatus. Renditions continue, as do Patriot I and II. You speak about “scary shit”, but are unwilling to discuss the really “scary shit”, i.e. how is that a Constitutional Law professor continues the inarguably feckless and dangerous policies of his predecessor and no one says anything about it? We are seeing a constant and unrelenting assault on our civil liberties, and from a Black President no less, and you offer up a throwaway Executive Order and Google article about Congress blocking funding. If Obama were serious, Gitmo would be closed.

If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill, instead of the pap he’s getting ready to sell post-vacation.

If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.

If Obama was serious, he’d LEAD. And not from behind.

Two expressions come to mind, and both from the Army. First, “There is no substitute for decisive leadership” (Patton’s corollary: “A good plan, violently executed right now, is infinitely better than the perfect plan, executed next week”).

The second is: “No plan survives contact” (George Foreman’s corollary: “Everybody has a plan. Then they get hit”). I mention this axiom to head off any potential excuses on behalf of Obama, like, “The Republicans are obstructionist”, “There was that tsunami in Japan”, “There was the Arab Spring”, “There was the Arab Summer”, “Hurricane Irene”, “The dog ate my homework”.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that there is “scary shit” out there and someone needs to LEAD the nation out of it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?[/quote]

Pri: So, I’m prevented from using certain words and facts in rebutting or refuting what you’re saying? In spite of the fact that that is EXACTLY what you asked me to do?

Yes, I was aware of the Obama Executive Order and have been for quite a while. Its window dressing, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has made no serious move to enforce it (reminiscent of Bill Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act).

Gitmo is both valuable and convenient to the administration and the National Security State apparatus. Renditions continue, as do Patriot I and II. You speak about “scary shit”, but are unwilling to discuss the really “scary shit”, i.e. how is that a Constitutional Law professor continues the inarguably feckless and dangerous policies of his predecessor and no one says anything about it? We are seeing a constant and unrelenting assault on our civil liberties, and from a Black President no less, and you offer up a throwaway Executive Order and Google article about Congress blocking funding. If Obama were serious, Gitmo would be closed.

If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill, instead of the pap he’s getting ready to sell post-vacation.

If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.

If Obama was serious, he’d LEAD. And not from behind.

Two expressions come to mind, and both from the Army. First, “There is no substitute for decisive leadership” (Patton’s corollary: “A good plan, violently executed right now, is infinitely better than the perfect plan, executed next week”).

The second is: “No plan survives contact” (George Foreman’s corollary: “Everybody has a plan. Then they get hit”). I mention this axiom to head off any potential excuses on behalf of Obama, like, “The Republicans are obstructionist”, “There was that tsunami in Japan”, “There was the Arab Spring”, “There was the Arab Summer”, “Hurricane Irene”, “The dog ate my homework”.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that there is “scary shit” out there and someone needs to LEAD the nation out of it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
[…]
You want me to continue, or is this enough for you?[/quote]

What I asked to see is where I made the leap from Krugman’s argument about the media to your claim that I said “some people should not be allowed to run for office.”

Allan, I never said anyone should be banned from running – those were your words that you attributed to me. It’s that simple. You can argue all day long, pulling in inferences and irrelevant references, using fancy vocabulary…

But, at the end of the day, I didn’t say it.

Yes, I’m a smart-ass. You are letting that part cloud your judgement and interpretation. If you don’t like the way I phrase it, then read Eaves’ response. She says it better.

It’s a shame that you refuse to consider the point that we are making. There’s some scary shit that’s going on, and it’s bad for our country (no matter where your political leanings are.)

More from Krugman, along the same lines:

BTW: Do you know about this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Now read this:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hiCyuo47rG5_B_88fhT_MOqZU-Tw

So why haven’t we closed Gitmo?[/quote]

Pri: So, I’m prevented from using certain words and facts in rebutting or refuting what you’re saying? In spite of the fact that that is EXACTLY what you asked me to do?

Yes, I was aware of the Obama Executive Order and have been for quite a while. Its window dressing, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has made no serious move to enforce it (reminiscent of Bill Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act).

Gitmo is both valuable and convenient to the administration and the National Security State apparatus. Renditions continue, as do Patriot I and II. You speak about “scary shit”, but are unwilling to discuss the really “scary shit”, i.e. how is that a Constitutional Law professor continues the inarguably feckless and dangerous policies of his predecessor and no one says anything about it? We are seeing a constant and unrelenting assault on our civil liberties, and from a Black President no less, and you offer up a throwaway Executive Order and Google article about Congress blocking funding. If Obama were serious, Gitmo would be closed.

If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill, instead of the pap he’s getting ready to sell post-vacation.

If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.

If Obama was serious, he’d LEAD. And not from behind.

Two expressions come to mind, and both from the Army. First, “There is no substitute for decisive leadership” (Patton’s corollary: “A good plan, violently executed right now, is infinitely better than the perfect plan, executed next week”).

The second is: “No plan survives contact” (George Foreman’s corollary: “Everybody has a plan. Then they get hit”). I mention this axiom to head off any potential excuses on behalf of Obama, like, “The Republicans are obstructionist”, “There was that tsunami in Japan”, “There was the Arab Spring”, “There was the Arab Summer”, “Hurricane Irene”, “The dog ate my homework”.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that there is “scary shit” out there and someone needs to LEAD the nation out of it.

[Anonymous]

Allan, you win the armchair quarterback award.

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill[/quote]

What should be in the bill, Allan? Let’s hear one, concrete idea from you. Can you make one suggestion as to what should be included in this plan you think is so easy to create?

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.[/quote]

That one scores a huge LOL! So now the President has the power to pass federal single-payer healthcare reform at will! No agreement from Congress necessary?

Ok, so Obama can’t lead. So who can lead, Allan? Can you give us a name?

So let’s see if you can produce a single post that doesn’t include the usual Obama-hate. Let’s see see if you can make a real-world decision.

If the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Obama over any of the leading contenders.

Who would you vote for?

[Anonymous]

Allan, you win the armchair quarterback award.

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill[/quote]

What should be in the bill, Allan? Let’s hear one, concrete idea from you. Can you make one suggestion as to what should be included in this plan you think is so easy to create?

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.[/quote]

That one scores a huge LOL! So now the President has the power to pass federal single-payer healthcare reform at will! No agreement from Congress necessary?

Ok, so Obama can’t lead. So who can lead, Allan? Can you give us a name?

So let’s see if you can produce a single post that doesn’t include the usual Obama-hate. Let’s see see if you can make a real-world decision.

If the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Obama over any of the leading contenders.

Who would you vote for?

[Anonymous]

Allan, you win the armchair quarterback award.

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill[/quote]

What should be in the bill, Allan? Let’s hear one, concrete idea from you. Can you make one suggestion as to what should be included in this plan you think is so easy to create?

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.[/quote]

That one scores a huge LOL! So now the President has the power to pass federal single-payer healthcare reform at will! No agreement from Congress necessary?

Ok, so Obama can’t lead. So who can lead, Allan? Can you give us a name?

So let’s see if you can produce a single post that doesn’t include the usual Obama-hate. Let’s see see if you can make a real-world decision.

If the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Obama over any of the leading contenders.

Who would you vote for?

[Anonymous]

Allan, you win the armchair quarterback award.

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill[/quote]

What should be in the bill, Allan? Let’s hear one, concrete idea from you. Can you make one suggestion as to what should be included in this plan you think is so easy to create?

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.[/quote]

That one scores a huge LOL! So now the President has the power to pass federal single-payer healthcare reform at will! No agreement from Congress necessary?

Ok, so Obama can’t lead. So who can lead, Allan? Can you give us a name?

So let’s see if you can produce a single post that doesn’t include the usual Obama-hate. Let’s see see if you can make a real-world decision.

If the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Obama over any of the leading contenders.

Who would you vote for?

[Anonymous]

Allan, you win the armchair quarterback award.

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be an actual jobs bill[/quote]

What should be in the bill, Allan? Let’s hear one, concrete idea from you. Can you make one suggestion as to what should be included in this plan you think is so easy to create?

[quote]If Obama was serious, there’d be meaningful healthcare reform, including single-payer.[/quote]

That one scores a huge LOL! So now the President has the power to pass federal single-payer healthcare reform at will! No agreement from Congress necessary?

Ok, so Obama can’t lead. So who can lead, Allan? Can you give us a name?

So let’s see if you can produce a single post that doesn’t include the usual Obama-hate. Let’s see see if you can make a real-world decision.

If the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Obama over any of the leading contenders.

Who would you vote for?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: I do NOT hate Obama. To the contrary, and on a personal level, I think he’s a likeable cat. He’s just in over his head is all. Same as that frat boy Dubya was in over his.

Pointing out Obama’s inadequacies does NOT count as “hate”, by the way. It’s nothing more than pointing to the obvious.

As to your LOL, let’s stick with the facts, pri, and remember that Obama had BOTH houses of Congress and HUGE political capital when he began on healthcare. He squandered this opportunity badly and that is readily admitted to by many on the liberal-left. The fact that he did NOT lead on this issue, instead choosing to delegate this to Congress, backfired badly and resulted in the muddled mess that Obamacare ultimately became. Thse are all FACTS and NOT “hating”.

On jobs: The stimulus package was good in theory and absolutely hamstrung in delivery. The “shovel-ready” jobs weren’t shovel-ready (and Obama himself made THAT particular quote), the funds that went to city and state government were used to pay down debt and NOT hire new employees (thus not delivering the promised multiplier effect) and the overall effect was muted by the fact that the economy was in far worse straits than the administration realized (and, no, I’m not blaming that on the administration, they WERE working with incomplete data).

An effective jobs bill would be tied to tax reform and meaningful incentives, i.e. those that get businesses, especially small businesses, to re-invest and, more importantly, hire. I like Robert Reich’s idea about imposing a “severance tax” on those American businesses that outsource. I’ve openly advocated for years, on this board, that we need a WPA-type organization and a serious industrial policy (not this green-energy boondoggle bullshit).

I’d go strong on re-building America’s nuke program, in that it would create a HUGE multiplier effect, especially among Heavy/Civil Engineering disciplines and high-wage, high-skilled blue collar workers. You put a dozen nuke generating stations on fast track approval, including DOE loan supports, and you’d see a re-emergence of American Heavy Industry.

I’d significantly increase R&D spending, and in conjunction with an American Industrial Policy (similar to what we had in WWII and during the Cold War). Don’t let the government pick winners, allow successful R&D to create market drivers and then support those market drivers with incentives to Build American, Stay American and Sell American.

While I’d love to see Huntsman mount a serious challenge, it ain’t gonna happen. I’d vote for Perry as the “better than Obama” candidate. Yeah, he is badly flawed, but so was Reagan. However, when you compared him to Carter…

This country needs a dose of someone putting a boot up our ass. You know, like in the Army. Speaking of the Army, what, exactly, did you do in the Army? You seem to get rather upset and play the “hater” card whenever someone raises their voice. Wasn’t that an issue when the SFC started yelling at you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: I do NOT hate Obama. To the contrary, and on a personal level, I think he’s a likeable cat. He’s just in over his head is all. Same as that frat boy Dubya was in over his.

Pointing out Obama’s inadequacies does NOT count as “hate”, by the way. It’s nothing more than pointing to the obvious.

As to your LOL, let’s stick with the facts, pri, and remember that Obama had BOTH houses of Congress and HUGE political capital when he began on healthcare. He squandered this opportunity badly and that is readily admitted to by many on the liberal-left. The fact that he did NOT lead on this issue, instead choosing to delegate this to Congress, backfired badly and resulted in the muddled mess that Obamacare ultimately became. Thse are all FACTS and NOT “hating”.

On jobs: The stimulus package was good in theory and absolutely hamstrung in delivery. The “shovel-ready” jobs weren’t shovel-ready (and Obama himself made THAT particular quote), the funds that went to city and state government were used to pay down debt and NOT hire new employees (thus not delivering the promised multiplier effect) and the overall effect was muted by the fact that the economy was in far worse straits than the administration realized (and, no, I’m not blaming that on the administration, they WERE working with incomplete data).

An effective jobs bill would be tied to tax reform and meaningful incentives, i.e. those that get businesses, especially small businesses, to re-invest and, more importantly, hire. I like Robert Reich’s idea about imposing a “severance tax” on those American businesses that outsource. I’ve openly advocated for years, on this board, that we need a WPA-type organization and a serious industrial policy (not this green-energy boondoggle bullshit).

I’d go strong on re-building America’s nuke program, in that it would create a HUGE multiplier effect, especially among Heavy/Civil Engineering disciplines and high-wage, high-skilled blue collar workers. You put a dozen nuke generating stations on fast track approval, including DOE loan supports, and you’d see a re-emergence of American Heavy Industry.

I’d significantly increase R&D spending, and in conjunction with an American Industrial Policy (similar to what we had in WWII and during the Cold War). Don’t let the government pick winners, allow successful R&D to create market drivers and then support those market drivers with incentives to Build American, Stay American and Sell American.

While I’d love to see Huntsman mount a serious challenge, it ain’t gonna happen. I’d vote for Perry as the “better than Obama” candidate. Yeah, he is badly flawed, but so was Reagan. However, when you compared him to Carter…

This country needs a dose of someone putting a boot up our ass. You know, like in the Army. Speaking of the Army, what, exactly, did you do in the Army? You seem to get rather upset and play the “hater” card whenever someone raises their voice. Wasn’t that an issue when the SFC started yelling at you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: I do NOT hate Obama. To the contrary, and on a personal level, I think he’s a likeable cat. He’s just in over his head is all. Same as that frat boy Dubya was in over his.

Pointing out Obama’s inadequacies does NOT count as “hate”, by the way. It’s nothing more than pointing to the obvious.

As to your LOL, let’s stick with the facts, pri, and remember that Obama had BOTH houses of Congress and HUGE political capital when he began on healthcare. He squandered this opportunity badly and that is readily admitted to by many on the liberal-left. The fact that he did NOT lead on this issue, instead choosing to delegate this to Congress, backfired badly and resulted in the muddled mess that Obamacare ultimately became. Thse are all FACTS and NOT “hating”.

On jobs: The stimulus package was good in theory and absolutely hamstrung in delivery. The “shovel-ready” jobs weren’t shovel-ready (and Obama himself made THAT particular quote), the funds that went to city and state government were used to pay down debt and NOT hire new employees (thus not delivering the promised multiplier effect) and the overall effect was muted by the fact that the economy was in far worse straits than the administration realized (and, no, I’m not blaming that on the administration, they WERE working with incomplete data).

An effective jobs bill would be tied to tax reform and meaningful incentives, i.e. those that get businesses, especially small businesses, to re-invest and, more importantly, hire. I like Robert Reich’s idea about imposing a “severance tax” on those American businesses that outsource. I’ve openly advocated for years, on this board, that we need a WPA-type organization and a serious industrial policy (not this green-energy boondoggle bullshit).

I’d go strong on re-building America’s nuke program, in that it would create a HUGE multiplier effect, especially among Heavy/Civil Engineering disciplines and high-wage, high-skilled blue collar workers. You put a dozen nuke generating stations on fast track approval, including DOE loan supports, and you’d see a re-emergence of American Heavy Industry.

I’d significantly increase R&D spending, and in conjunction with an American Industrial Policy (similar to what we had in WWII and during the Cold War). Don’t let the government pick winners, allow successful R&D to create market drivers and then support those market drivers with incentives to Build American, Stay American and Sell American.

While I’d love to see Huntsman mount a serious challenge, it ain’t gonna happen. I’d vote for Perry as the “better than Obama” candidate. Yeah, he is badly flawed, but so was Reagan. However, when you compared him to Carter…

This country needs a dose of someone putting a boot up our ass. You know, like in the Army. Speaking of the Army, what, exactly, did you do in the Army? You seem to get rather upset and play the “hater” card whenever someone raises their voice. Wasn’t that an issue when the SFC started yelling at you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: I do NOT hate Obama. To the contrary, and on a personal level, I think he’s a likeable cat. He’s just in over his head is all. Same as that frat boy Dubya was in over his.

Pointing out Obama’s inadequacies does NOT count as “hate”, by the way. It’s nothing more than pointing to the obvious.

As to your LOL, let’s stick with the facts, pri, and remember that Obama had BOTH houses of Congress and HUGE political capital when he began on healthcare. He squandered this opportunity badly and that is readily admitted to by many on the liberal-left. The fact that he did NOT lead on this issue, instead choosing to delegate this to Congress, backfired badly and resulted in the muddled mess that Obamacare ultimately became. Thse are all FACTS and NOT “hating”.

On jobs: The stimulus package was good in theory and absolutely hamstrung in delivery. The “shovel-ready” jobs weren’t shovel-ready (and Obama himself made THAT particular quote), the funds that went to city and state government were used to pay down debt and NOT hire new employees (thus not delivering the promised multiplier effect) and the overall effect was muted by the fact that the economy was in far worse straits than the administration realized (and, no, I’m not blaming that on the administration, they WERE working with incomplete data).

An effective jobs bill would be tied to tax reform and meaningful incentives, i.e. those that get businesses, especially small businesses, to re-invest and, more importantly, hire. I like Robert Reich’s idea about imposing a “severance tax” on those American businesses that outsource. I’ve openly advocated for years, on this board, that we need a WPA-type organization and a serious industrial policy (not this green-energy boondoggle bullshit).

I’d go strong on re-building America’s nuke program, in that it would create a HUGE multiplier effect, especially among Heavy/Civil Engineering disciplines and high-wage, high-skilled blue collar workers. You put a dozen nuke generating stations on fast track approval, including DOE loan supports, and you’d see a re-emergence of American Heavy Industry.

I’d significantly increase R&D spending, and in conjunction with an American Industrial Policy (similar to what we had in WWII and during the Cold War). Don’t let the government pick winners, allow successful R&D to create market drivers and then support those market drivers with incentives to Build American, Stay American and Sell American.

While I’d love to see Huntsman mount a serious challenge, it ain’t gonna happen. I’d vote for Perry as the “better than Obama” candidate. Yeah, he is badly flawed, but so was Reagan. However, when you compared him to Carter…

This country needs a dose of someone putting a boot up our ass. You know, like in the Army. Speaking of the Army, what, exactly, did you do in the Army? You seem to get rather upset and play the “hater” card whenever someone raises their voice. Wasn’t that an issue when the SFC started yelling at you?

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