OT: What do you folks think about the octet mom?

[TemekuT]

Please, no rants on Catholicism here. I am including that detail just as it pertains to the facts:

My devout Catholic aunt & uncle have 14 children. The family was created in the late 40’s through mid 60’s. The kids were raised without any form of state aid and all have grown to be productive citizens.

Last year my elderly uncle told me he didn’t know if he could do it again (have 14 kids), but that was the Church’s teachings at the time. He had to work several jobs to raise the family, at a tremendous physical sacrifice. My aunt became physically worn out from too many pregnancies.

The kids DID NOT LIKE being in such a large family. They mostly say the parents had no time for them and they would never have such a large family. The older girls ended up being the nannies and housekeepers for the younger siblings. The older boys started working with their dad at a young age due to financial necessity. Some of the cousins harbor real resentments.

If octo-mom had bothered to research and talk to children from very large families, she would have quickly discerned that her selfish dream would turn into a nightmare for her children.

[afx114]

socrat,

I agree that education is key. Its just that your rants make it sound as if all of the troubles we are facing are the fault of poor people stealing all of your money via taxes. In general, there is this constant paranoia out there where the haves live in fear of the have-nots, and I can’t figure out why. If it’s not one thing it’s another: “The gays are trying to ruin my marriage! The brown skinned people are trying to blow up my airplane! The poor are taking all of my hard earned money!”

Enough with the paranoia. No one is out to get you, and no one is out to take all your money in order to live the “easy” life. Well, except for maybe the octet mom. But you can’t just take one nutcase and apply her situation to all people seeking help from the government. Most people are hard-working people just trying to make a living. Don’t use psycho-mom-lady to justify your hatred for the poor. I too paid for the majority of my education myself, also working 30-40 hours a week while taking on a full class load. But I also received some grants from the government, and they helped me immensely. This is why I don’t mind paying taxes – I’ve benefited directly from them, so I don’t mind giving back. Did I steal your money too, and do you resent me for it?

All I am saying is that the poor are an easy scapegoat for the troubles of the rich. It’s an easy out and is intellectually dishonest to blame everything on “them.” If you ask me, the poor had the least to do with all of our current problems. The people who were just trying to get a meal or pay the heating bills or get some education weren’t the ones taking out $500k loans on $50k income.

[afx114]

socrat,

I agree that education is key. Its just that your rants make it sound as if all of the troubles we are facing are the fault of poor people stealing all of your money via taxes. In general, there is this constant paranoia out there where the haves live in fear of the have-nots, and I can’t figure out why. If it’s not one thing it’s another: “The gays are trying to ruin my marriage! The brown skinned people are trying to blow up my airplane! The poor are taking all of my hard earned money!”

Enough with the paranoia. No one is out to get you, and no one is out to take all your money in order to live the “easy” life. Well, except for maybe the octet mom. But you can’t just take one nutcase and apply her situation to all people seeking help from the government. Most people are hard-working people just trying to make a living. Don’t use psycho-mom-lady to justify your hatred for the poor. I too paid for the majority of my education myself, also working 30-40 hours a week while taking on a full class load. But I also received some grants from the government, and they helped me immensely. This is why I don’t mind paying taxes – I’ve benefited directly from them, so I don’t mind giving back. Did I steal your money too, and do you resent me for it?

All I am saying is that the poor are an easy scapegoat for the troubles of the rich. It’s an easy out and is intellectually dishonest to blame everything on “them.” If you ask me, the poor had the least to do with all of our current problems. The people who were just trying to get a meal or pay the heating bills or get some education weren’t the ones taking out $500k loans on $50k income.

[afx114]

socrat,

I agree that education is key. Its just that your rants make it sound as if all of the troubles we are facing are the fault of poor people stealing all of your money via taxes. In general, there is this constant paranoia out there where the haves live in fear of the have-nots, and I can’t figure out why. If it’s not one thing it’s another: “The gays are trying to ruin my marriage! The brown skinned people are trying to blow up my airplane! The poor are taking all of my hard earned money!”

Enough with the paranoia. No one is out to get you, and no one is out to take all your money in order to live the “easy” life. Well, except for maybe the octet mom. But you can’t just take one nutcase and apply her situation to all people seeking help from the government. Most people are hard-working people just trying to make a living. Don’t use psycho-mom-lady to justify your hatred for the poor. I too paid for the majority of my education myself, also working 30-40 hours a week while taking on a full class load. But I also received some grants from the government, and they helped me immensely. This is why I don’t mind paying taxes – I’ve benefited directly from them, so I don’t mind giving back. Did I steal your money too, and do you resent me for it?

All I am saying is that the poor are an easy scapegoat for the troubles of the rich. It’s an easy out and is intellectually dishonest to blame everything on “them.” If you ask me, the poor had the least to do with all of our current problems. The people who were just trying to get a meal or pay the heating bills or get some education weren’t the ones taking out $500k loans on $50k income.

[afx114]

socrat,

I agree that education is key. Its just that your rants make it sound as if all of the troubles we are facing are the fault of poor people stealing all of your money via taxes. In general, there is this constant paranoia out there where the haves live in fear of the have-nots, and I can’t figure out why. If it’s not one thing it’s another: “The gays are trying to ruin my marriage! The brown skinned people are trying to blow up my airplane! The poor are taking all of my hard earned money!”

Enough with the paranoia. No one is out to get you, and no one is out to take all your money in order to live the “easy” life. Well, except for maybe the octet mom. But you can’t just take one nutcase and apply her situation to all people seeking help from the government. Most people are hard-working people just trying to make a living. Don’t use psycho-mom-lady to justify your hatred for the poor. I too paid for the majority of my education myself, also working 30-40 hours a week while taking on a full class load. But I also received some grants from the government, and they helped me immensely. This is why I don’t mind paying taxes – I’ve benefited directly from them, so I don’t mind giving back. Did I steal your money too, and do you resent me for it?

All I am saying is that the poor are an easy scapegoat for the troubles of the rich. It’s an easy out and is intellectually dishonest to blame everything on “them.” If you ask me, the poor had the least to do with all of our current problems. The people who were just trying to get a meal or pay the heating bills or get some education weren’t the ones taking out $500k loans on $50k income.

[afx114]

socrat,

I agree that education is key. Its just that your rants make it sound as if all of the troubles we are facing are the fault of poor people stealing all of your money via taxes. In general, there is this constant paranoia out there where the haves live in fear of the have-nots, and I can’t figure out why. If it’s not one thing it’s another: “The gays are trying to ruin my marriage! The brown skinned people are trying to blow up my airplane! The poor are taking all of my hard earned money!”

Enough with the paranoia. No one is out to get you, and no one is out to take all your money in order to live the “easy” life. Well, except for maybe the octet mom. But you can’t just take one nutcase and apply her situation to all people seeking help from the government. Most people are hard-working people just trying to make a living. Don’t use psycho-mom-lady to justify your hatred for the poor. I too paid for the majority of my education myself, also working 30-40 hours a week while taking on a full class load. But I also received some grants from the government, and they helped me immensely. This is why I don’t mind paying taxes – I’ve benefited directly from them, so I don’t mind giving back. Did I steal your money too, and do you resent me for it?

All I am saying is that the poor are an easy scapegoat for the troubles of the rich. It’s an easy out and is intellectually dishonest to blame everything on “them.” If you ask me, the poor had the least to do with all of our current problems. The people who were just trying to get a meal or pay the heating bills or get some education weren’t the ones taking out $500k loans on $50k income.

[jpinpb]

I am far from rich. In fact, I said I wouldn’t have kids b/c of the costs involved in raising them. I guess that makes me thoughtful and responsible in my finances and selfless, b/c I would like to have a kid and am making a decision not to.

This has nothing to do w/being rich or poor. It has everything to do w/being responsible and not being a burden on society.

[jpinpb]

I am far from rich. In fact, I said I wouldn’t have kids b/c of the costs involved in raising them. I guess that makes me thoughtful and responsible in my finances and selfless, b/c I would like to have a kid and am making a decision not to.

This has nothing to do w/being rich or poor. It has everything to do w/being responsible and not being a burden on society.

[jpinpb]

I am far from rich. In fact, I said I wouldn’t have kids b/c of the costs involved in raising them. I guess that makes me thoughtful and responsible in my finances and selfless, b/c I would like to have a kid and am making a decision not to.

This has nothing to do w/being rich or poor. It has everything to do w/being responsible and not being a burden on society.

[jpinpb]

I am far from rich. In fact, I said I wouldn’t have kids b/c of the costs involved in raising them. I guess that makes me thoughtful and responsible in my finances and selfless, b/c I would like to have a kid and am making a decision not to.

This has nothing to do w/being rich or poor. It has everything to do w/being responsible and not being a burden on society.

[jpinpb]

I am far from rich. In fact, I said I wouldn’t have kids b/c of the costs involved in raising them. I guess that makes me thoughtful and responsible in my finances and selfless, b/c I would like to have a kid and am making a decision not to.

This has nothing to do w/being rich or poor. It has everything to do w/being responsible and not being a burden on society.

[NotCranky]

[quote=svelte][quote=Russell]Just a rumor, but I heard she is going to become Sarah Palin’s 2012 running mate. [/quote]

That’s classic!

In the same vein:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/12/tsr.palin.vs.planned.parenthood.cnn
[/quote]

Thanks for the feed back on the joke. I asked my wife if she thought it was funny before I posted it. She wasn’t sure but I couldn’t stop laughing and feeling clever. I wish I knew how to send it to Letterman in a timely fashion. We both found the 42k “Thankyou for your donation” cards to Palin cute.

I can’t say it often enough to the women of this country…Thanks for postponing the gender based historical significance of her candidacy for someone better!That was big of you all. Muchas gracias!

[NotCranky]

[quote=svelte][quote=Russell]Just a rumor, but I heard she is going to become Sarah Palin’s 2012 running mate. [/quote]

That’s classic!

In the same vein:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/12/tsr.palin.vs.planned.parenthood.cnn
[/quote]

Thanks for the feed back on the joke. I asked my wife if she thought it was funny before I posted it. She wasn’t sure but I couldn’t stop laughing and feeling clever. I wish I knew how to send it to Letterman in a timely fashion. We both found the 42k “Thankyou for your donation” cards to Palin cute.

I can’t say it often enough to the women of this country…Thanks for postponing the gender based historical significance of her candidacy for someone better!That was big of you all. Muchas gracias!

[NotCranky]

[quote=svelte][quote=Russell]Just a rumor, but I heard she is going to become Sarah Palin’s 2012 running mate. [/quote]

That’s classic!

In the same vein:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/12/tsr.palin.vs.planned.parenthood.cnn
[/quote]

Thanks for the feed back on the joke. I asked my wife if she thought it was funny before I posted it. She wasn’t sure but I couldn’t stop laughing and feeling clever. I wish I knew how to send it to Letterman in a timely fashion. We both found the 42k “Thankyou for your donation” cards to Palin cute.

I can’t say it often enough to the women of this country…Thanks for postponing the gender based historical significance of her candidacy for someone better!That was big of you all. Muchas gracias!

[NotCranky]

[quote=svelte][quote=Russell]Just a rumor, but I heard she is going to become Sarah Palin’s 2012 running mate. [/quote]

That’s classic!

In the same vein:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/12/tsr.palin.vs.planned.parenthood.cnn
[/quote]

Thanks for the feed back on the joke. I asked my wife if she thought it was funny before I posted it. She wasn’t sure but I couldn’t stop laughing and feeling clever. I wish I knew how to send it to Letterman in a timely fashion. We both found the 42k “Thankyou for your donation” cards to Palin cute.

I can’t say it often enough to the women of this country…Thanks for postponing the gender based historical significance of her candidacy for someone better!That was big of you all. Muchas gracias!

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