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  • July 28, 2010 at 5:58 AM #584474
    joec
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    No disagreement there, CAR…but the guy from the town Bell getting the 650k/year pension for life is sick.

    Too bad every city/county/state official is in on it to again, “get their share” to ever change or fix this issue.

    I have no doubt that they would rather all see the city/state collapse, then they resign (like in Bell) before giving back any of their pension money.

    If the federal government can even discuss changing social security, raising the retirement age, etc…they should be able to renegotiate pension benefits if the money is simply not there.

    Oh wait, they can simply raise sales tax, property tax, call it a car licensing fee and pad their pension further…

    Damn, should’ve taken a government/city/state/county job. (oops, a slip there of me wanting to “get mine too”).

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM #583441
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
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    Can’t beat them Join them …

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM #583533
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
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    Can’t beat them Join them …

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM #584069
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
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    Can’t beat them Join them …

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM #584177
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
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    Can’t beat them Join them …

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 AM #584479
    Nor-LA-SD-guy
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    Can’t beat them Join them …

    July 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM #583466
    enron_by_the_sea
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    [quote=CA renter][
    Most of the public workers I know never fought for the pension boost, and found it rather surprising when it went through (a bit like an unexpected Christmas gift — a Ferrari, perhaps).
    [/quote]

    Well then they should certainly have no problem if those phantom promises were scaled back to something that this state can actually afford in this day and age.

    If my private employer screwed up with his financial planning, my pay can be cut, my pension can be gone, my 401k match can be dropped and worse I can lose my job (even though my employer and finance sector screwed up, not me.) Why should public sector be any different? World is unfair, get used to it.

    July 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM #583558
    enron_by_the_sea
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    [quote=CA renter][
    Most of the public workers I know never fought for the pension boost, and found it rather surprising when it went through (a bit like an unexpected Christmas gift — a Ferrari, perhaps).
    [/quote]

    Well then they should certainly have no problem if those phantom promises were scaled back to something that this state can actually afford in this day and age.

    If my private employer screwed up with his financial planning, my pay can be cut, my pension can be gone, my 401k match can be dropped and worse I can lose my job (even though my employer and finance sector screwed up, not me.) Why should public sector be any different? World is unfair, get used to it.

    July 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM #584094
    enron_by_the_sea
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    [quote=CA renter][
    Most of the public workers I know never fought for the pension boost, and found it rather surprising when it went through (a bit like an unexpected Christmas gift — a Ferrari, perhaps).
    [/quote]

    Well then they should certainly have no problem if those phantom promises were scaled back to something that this state can actually afford in this day and age.

    If my private employer screwed up with his financial planning, my pay can be cut, my pension can be gone, my 401k match can be dropped and worse I can lose my job (even though my employer and finance sector screwed up, not me.) Why should public sector be any different? World is unfair, get used to it.

    July 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM #584202
    enron_by_the_sea
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    [quote=CA renter][
    Most of the public workers I know never fought for the pension boost, and found it rather surprising when it went through (a bit like an unexpected Christmas gift — a Ferrari, perhaps).
    [/quote]

    Well then they should certainly have no problem if those phantom promises were scaled back to something that this state can actually afford in this day and age.

    If my private employer screwed up with his financial planning, my pay can be cut, my pension can be gone, my 401k match can be dropped and worse I can lose my job (even though my employer and finance sector screwed up, not me.) Why should public sector be any different? World is unfair, get used to it.

    July 28, 2010 at 8:08 AM #584504
    enron_by_the_sea
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    [quote=CA renter][
    Most of the public workers I know never fought for the pension boost, and found it rather surprising when it went through (a bit like an unexpected Christmas gift — a Ferrari, perhaps).
    [/quote]

    Well then they should certainly have no problem if those phantom promises were scaled back to something that this state can actually afford in this day and age.

    If my private employer screwed up with his financial planning, my pay can be cut, my pension can be gone, my 401k match can be dropped and worse I can lose my job (even though my employer and finance sector screwed up, not me.) Why should public sector be any different? World is unfair, get used to it.

    July 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM #583717
    CA renter
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    Joec,

    The Bell situation should lead to arrests (not that it will happen, mind you); what happened there is totally unjustifiable and borders on criminal, IMHO. I’m NOT an apologist for govt corruption, quite the opposite. What’s disconcerting is the tendency of people to make proclamations about things they have no knowledge about (not directing that at you or anyone in particular, BTW).

    It feels like the masses are being directed to move in certain directions. Right now, it feels like “some entity” is directing the population’s anger away from what caused our current situation (financial sector and large, multinational coroporations, their lobbyists, and related politicians) and against each other. I just wish more people would wake up to the fact that “thought control” (via the media, and even the internet blogs) is being used to turn us against each other, IMHO. It’s frightening.

    July 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM #583809
    CA renter
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    Joec,

    The Bell situation should lead to arrests (not that it will happen, mind you); what happened there is totally unjustifiable and borders on criminal, IMHO. I’m NOT an apologist for govt corruption, quite the opposite. What’s disconcerting is the tendency of people to make proclamations about things they have no knowledge about (not directing that at you or anyone in particular, BTW).

    It feels like the masses are being directed to move in certain directions. Right now, it feels like “some entity” is directing the population’s anger away from what caused our current situation (financial sector and large, multinational coroporations, their lobbyists, and related politicians) and against each other. I just wish more people would wake up to the fact that “thought control” (via the media, and even the internet blogs) is being used to turn us against each other, IMHO. It’s frightening.

    July 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM #584345
    CA renter
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    Joec,

    The Bell situation should lead to arrests (not that it will happen, mind you); what happened there is totally unjustifiable and borders on criminal, IMHO. I’m NOT an apologist for govt corruption, quite the opposite. What’s disconcerting is the tendency of people to make proclamations about things they have no knowledge about (not directing that at you or anyone in particular, BTW).

    It feels like the masses are being directed to move in certain directions. Right now, it feels like “some entity” is directing the population’s anger away from what caused our current situation (financial sector and large, multinational coroporations, their lobbyists, and related politicians) and against each other. I just wish more people would wake up to the fact that “thought control” (via the media, and even the internet blogs) is being used to turn us against each other, IMHO. It’s frightening.

    July 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM #584453
    CA renter
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    Joec,

    The Bell situation should lead to arrests (not that it will happen, mind you); what happened there is totally unjustifiable and borders on criminal, IMHO. I’m NOT an apologist for govt corruption, quite the opposite. What’s disconcerting is the tendency of people to make proclamations about things they have no knowledge about (not directing that at you or anyone in particular, BTW).

    It feels like the masses are being directed to move in certain directions. Right now, it feels like “some entity” is directing the population’s anger away from what caused our current situation (financial sector and large, multinational coroporations, their lobbyists, and related politicians) and against each other. I just wish more people would wake up to the fact that “thought control” (via the media, and even the internet blogs) is being used to turn us against each other, IMHO. It’s frightening.

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