OT: Stop The Steal!

[teaboy]

Not a new revelation, but it’s been brought home to me recently after a surprising conversation with a ‘reasonable’, republican-leaning, professional friend.

“Among Republicans, 78% believe Biden did not win the election and 54% believe that there is solid evidence to support such a view”
https://www.kake.com/story/44742188/trumps-big-lie-is-changing-the-face-of-american-politics

“In 2020, Gallup found that 73% of Democrats trusted the media “a great deal” or “a fair amount,” compared with 36% for independents and just 10% for Republicans.”
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/27/facebook-posts/about-66-us-public-thinks-joe-biden-legitimate-pre/

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This general (partisan) direction of Truthiness & losing trust in media institutions worries me more that most ills of the US today, since I have trouble envisioning how it unwinds itself..

Thoughts?
tb

[an]

Lumping all media into the same bucket is useless. I’m sure the number would be flipped if it’s about Fox news instead of the media. Like you, I can’t envision how this will unwind itself either.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=teaboy]
This general (partisan) direction of Truthiness & losing trust in media institutions worries me more that most ills of the US today, since I have trouble envisioning how it unwinds itself..
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I agree that this is a huge issue. Combine it with a growing view that elites (anyone well educated) is not to be trusted and that science is not to be trusted and you have a recipe for ignorance and superstition. (So much for the ideals of the enlightenment.) Combine this with a distrust for government and the institutions that allow us to have a democracy, and it gets pretty scary.

I know that many of us like to talk about the evils of government, but it’s important to remember that without government there would be lawlessness and criminal gangs running things. Not a better choice to be honest.

[Coronita]

i dont mind a reversion to dumbness. I think in a lot of ways it’s better…

Dumb people often have happier lives than smart people because they are burdening their minds with some many things that are difficult to solve, lol…

[teaboy]

dumbness at an individual level might make one happy, but dumbness at a societal level might not.

[zk]

Right wing propaganda is driving this ignorance and mistrust. I’ve been saying for years that right wing propaganda is ruining our country. It’s been a runaway train for quite some time now. Still, it just keeps getting crazier and crazier. Tucker Carlson is a raving lunatic, trusted by millions. 78 percent of Republicans think Biden didn’t win. I think we’ve become desensitized to those kind of numbers. 78 percent. That number is absolutely outrageous, and it shows the true power of the right wing propaganda machine.

I don’t see how this train gets stopped, either.

https://www.piggington.com/rightwing_media_destroying_our_country

[barnaby33]

Dumb people aren’t happier, they just express their rage in more comedically acceptable ways.

Stupidity in an age of diminishing resources isn’t a recipe for happier citizens, it’s a recipe for civil war.
Josh

[teaboy]

I’ve always thought civil war was on its way here (but much like self-driving cars, always ‘5 years out’ ha-ha.)

I’d always assumed the civil war would be between haves and have-nots, given the ever increasing levels of inequality, but I had trouble understanding how it would manifest itself from general grumblings to all out war. Surely the truly poor are too focused on sustenance?
Does anyone remember why those 99%er protests in NY fizzled out? I dont.

But, a civil war along partisan or ideological lines, fueled by good only fashioned 24/7 propaganda and driven by delusional 2nd amendment masses that make up 50%+ of middle america… now that’s a path to civil war I can believe in.

tb

[Coronita]

I think people who tend to be more intelligent, or think they are more intelligent, generally are more miserable because they have a tendency to overthink and over analyze to the point of paralysis and cynicism over many things. Versus people who are unaware tend to just go with the flow.

No worries of civil war. No doomsday in sight.

[teaboy]

Reminds me of…

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[Coronita]

[quote=teaboy]I’ve always thought civil war was on its way here (but much like self-driving cars, always ‘5 years out’ ha-ha.)

I’d always assumed the civil war would be between haves and have-nots, given the ever increasing levels of inequality, but I had trouble understanding how it would manifest itself from general grumblings to all out war. Surely the truly poor are too focused on sustenance?
Does anyone remember why those 99%er protests in NY fizzled out? I dont.

But, a civil war along partisan or ideological lines, fueled by good only fashioned 24/7 propaganda and driven by delusional 2nd amendment masses that make up 50%+ of middle america… now that’s a path to civil war I can believe in.

tb[/quote]

There won’t be a civil war between haves and have nots. Because even if you are someone on paper that is a have not, in this country we have things like credit and credit cards that can be easily obtained so that even the have not’s don’t need to feel they don’t have not enough. And if there’s an issue, bankruptcy filing is pretty lax here and one isn’t stuck to debtor’s prison…

[sdrealtor]

Yup the doomsayers are essentially winless around here

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=barnaby33]Dumb people aren’t happier, they just express their rage in more comedically acceptable ways.

Stupidity in an age of diminishing resources isn’t a recipe for happier citizens, it’s a recipe for civil war.
Josh[/quote]

decriminalize sapiosexuality between consenting adults.

[Coronita]

nothing to worry about. I think what is more likely to happen is that more people in the center are fed up with both extremes on both parties and eventually abandon both parties for something in the center future.

it’s already happening to the GOP. The more the crazies take over, the quicker this acceleration will happen.

I think what the crazy right is doing to this GOP party is the best thing that could have happened to american politics in a long time.

I’m going to start supporting Warren and AOC more so that people get fed up about that extreme too and eventually that side blows up too.

Just the day after the recall election results, I was driving to Del Mar Highlands and there was this person in a mercedes SUV in front of me with an Elders/Trump Stop the Steal bumper sticker.

First if off, shame on anyone for putting any ugly bumper sticker on a new luxury car.
Second, out of all bumper stickers, why put a loser candidate on your car and now you can’t get it off…

I felt bad and was in a celebratory spirit so I parked next to the guy, and I was about get out of the car, and give him a free bottle of hand santizer..you know, so he could drink and cure himself of covid….Or offer him one of my flat earther bumper sticker to stick right over his Trump/Elder bumper sticker.

[zk]

[quote=sdrealtor]Yup the doomsayers are essentially winless around here[/quote]

Ha! You must live in a cave. 700,000 Americans are dead, hundreds of thousands of them because right wing propaganda brainwashed tens of millions of fools into voting for an incompetent fool who couldn’t possibly care less about the United States of America, and who somehow thought he could wish covid away. That propaganda also brainwashed them into thinking that masks don’t help, social distancing is not helpful but ivermectin is, and the vaccine should be avoided.

Nobody was predicting the end of the world, but there will probably be a million dead Americans before this is over, half of them unnecessarily, and that’s pretty fucking doomy if you ask me.

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