ot: prostitution

[scaredyclassic]

Sexuality is integral to the self?

[scaredyclassic]

That comic book is the polar opposite of steamy.

It’s sad.

Ok that job sounds intense.

[Diego Mamani]

[quote=Arraya]It is a phenomenon, much like slavery, that has proliferated with the spread of capitalist markets, and with gender, sexual, and racial oppression.[/quote]
That’s complete nonsense. Both prostitution and slavery predate capitalism; they even predate feudalism!

Another nonsense is to put slavery and prostitution together. Slavery entails victims; that’s why no one would defend its practice today. Prostitution, OTOH, may be regarded as “wrong” and immoral by some (myself included), but like doing drugs, it has no victims. Therefore, it should not be a crime.

Again, it’s naive to think that we can legislate morality. I agree with you that prostitution has the potential to destruct the person’s self and humanity. But making the practice illegal does not accomplish its intended objective, instead, we end up with underground criminal activity.

[scaredyclassic]

book review of the comic strip. the cover notes have endorsements from various professors all over the nation. serious, thoughtful, discussion provoking are the terms used for it, not steamy or lascivious. in fact it’s kind of strangely flat sexually.

all work kind of has the potential to alienate us from our true selves.

is a surrogate mother a sex worker? would carrying someone’s embryo cause the same illeffects as in your citation, arraya?

you’ve got to have some great stories from that job….

[Coronita]

[quote=Diego Mamani][quote=Arraya]It is a phenomenon, much like slavery, that has proliferated with the spread of capitalist markets, and with gender, sexual, and racial oppression.[/quote]
That’s complete nonsense. Both prostitution and slavery predate capitalism; they even predate feudalism!

Another nonsense is to put slavery and prostitution together. Slavery entails victims; that’s why no one would defend its practice today. Prostitution, OTOH, may be regarded as “wrong” and immoral by some (myself included), but like? doing drugs, it has no victims. Therefore, it should not be a crime.

Again, it’s naive to think that we can legislate morality. I agree with you that prostitution has the potential to destruct the person’s self and humanity. But making the practice illegal does not accomplish its intended objective, instead, we end up with underground criminal activity.[/quote]

You do realize a good number of prostitutes these days wereforced into a slave trade.,, particularly some from Asia.. a lot of them are forced

[an]

[quote=flu]You do realize a good number of prostitutes these days wereforced into a slave trade.,, particularly some from Asia.. a lot of them are forced[/quote]
I don’t think anyone is denying that there are slavery involved in the ILLEGAL portion of the prostitution. The question is, how many slaves do you know working at the Bunny Ranch? When you make things legal, you can monitor it. What you’re describing might be a causation due to prostitution being illegal. Just like how organize crime used to exist before alcohol was made legal.

[fat_lazy_union]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]You do realize a good number of prostitutes these days wereforced into a slave trade.,, particularly some from Asia.. a lot of them are forced[/quote]
I don’t think anyone is denying that there are slavery involved in the ILLEGAL portion of the prostitution. The question is, how many slaves do you know working at the Bunny Ranch? When you make things legal, you can monitor it. What you’re describing might be a causation due to prostitution being illegal. Just like how organize crime used to exist before alcohol was made legal.[/quote]

Ok. Well, I guess on this particular issue I’m maybe then I’m of a narrow minded conservative/closet pervert then. I admit for some reason, I just have a problem with it. But fellow piggies can try to convince me otherwise to be more socially liberal on this one…

[an]

[quote=Dr. Paul]Ok. Well, I guess on this particular issue I’m maybe then I’m of a narrow minded conservative/closet pervert then. I admit for some reason, I just have a problem with it. But fellow piggies can try to convince me otherwise to be more socially liberal on this one…[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally against what’s going on in South East Asia in term of lying to little girls and kidnapping them and bringing them to a country that they don’t know the language, to keep them as slave. That’s totally abhorrent to me. Which is why I’m hopping it’ll be legalized, that way, the government and keep an eye on it, men who would have gone seeking for a prostitute might go for the legal one, since they can be more sure they’re less likely to get STD. This would decrease the demand for these current brothels that enslaves girls. Supply and demand can work in reducing the enslaving of girls if you give these “Johns” another option (a legal one).

[davelj]

[quote=flu]

My sibling is a well decorated financial exec. Her husband is a great man. She never fell for a dumbass guy.
[/quote]

There are no great men; only great reputations waiting to be tarnished. The evidence is voluminous.

[quote=flu]

Growing up, it had a lot to do with the peers and surroundings…Needless to say, being surrounded by high achieving people had a lot to do with it. It all has to do with self-esteem and self-respect. As my sibling put it, she didn’t need to hang out with “dumb people”.

My observation was the girls/women that ended up being screwed up and looking to marry dirtbags early were the ones that were missing a father figures, had serious trama somepoint in their life with a male figure, or ones that were alone with no siblings, and or were living in a unbearable-ultimately repressive/strict environment (ones with a lot of rules, formalities,etc)……Those girls/women had serious self-esteem/emotional issues…Easy prey for piggish men. But that how this world works…In just about everything….So, make sure don’t fvckup your daugther’s life.
[/quote]

This is magical thinking of the highest order.

Did the following women grow up with a lack of high achievers in their midst (or self-esteem issues):

Maria Shriver
Hillary Clinton
Ann Sinclair (DSK’s wife)
Silda Wall (Spitzer’s wife)
And so on and so on…

You seem to believe that you can create an environment in which your daughter will be unlikely to hook up with “dirtbags”… and this environment doesn’t exist. You’re suffering from endowment effect… you think your daughter’s life will be “special” because she’s your daughter, but the reality is… that women – of all walks of life and backgrounds – like dirtbags. Your attempt to convince yourself otherwise is nothing more than a coping mechanism.

[Diego Mamani]

[quote=flu]You do realize a good number of prostitutes these days were forced into a slave trade.,, particularly some from Asia.. a lot of them are forced[/quote] So, if bank robbers use cars to get away, should we outlaw cars? Two points to consider here:
(1) The slave trade is the problem and the criminal activity, not prostitution per se.
(2) The fact that prostitution has been made artificially illegal actually contributes to the existence of the slave trade.

Like bank robberies, we could think of countless examples. Drunk drivers can injure and kill innocents. Then, do we outlaw alcohol? No, b/c drinking alcohol is not criminal. Driving drunk is criminal.

[Anonymous]

[quote=davelj]
This is magical thinking of the highest order.

Did the following women grow up with a lack of high achievers in their midst (or self-esteem issues):

Maria Shriver
Hillary Clinton
Ann Sinclair (DSK’s wife)
Silda Wall (Spitzer’s wife)
And so on and so on…

You seem to believe that you can create an environment in which your daughter will be unlikely to hook up with “dirtbags”… and this environment doesn’t exist. You’re suffering from endowment effect… you think your daughter’s life will be “special” because she’s your daughter, but the reality is… that women – of all walks of life and backgrounds – like dirtbags. Your attempt to convince yourself otherwise is nothing more than a coping mechanism.[/quote]

Wow.

Please tell me that you don’t have children.

So a few weak examples proves that parents can have no influence on the outcome of their children’s lives?

I’ll bet I could find a few examples of people that received incompetent medical care in Mexico. More than a few.

[Anonymous]

Libertarian logic is often so hopelessly shallow.

I don’t understand why private citizens cannot own nuclear weapons.

Why is does the government take away my freedom to own a nuclear weapon?

Of course if someone a nuclear weapon to harm others they should go to jail.

Just because I own one doesn’t make me a criminal.

[Diego Mamani]

[quote=harvey]Libertarian logic is often so hopelessly shallow.

I don’t understand why private citizens cannot own nuclear weapons.

Why is does the government take away my freedom to own a nuclear weapon?

Of course if someone a nuclear weapon to harm others they should go to jail.

Just because I own one doesn’t make me a criminal.[/quote]
What you wrote is very good, as a joke. Owning nuclear weapons would be criminal because of the risk imposed on your neighbors. Even if you don’t kill anybody, the fact that you put them under such extreme risk, would make them victims. Your example certainly does not apply to prostitution or cocaine trade/use, where there are no victims.

[an]

[quote=harvey]Libertarian logic is often so hopelessly shallow.

I don’t understand why private citizens cannot own nuclear weapons.

Why is does the government take away my freedom to own a nuclear weapon?

Of course if someone a nuclear weapon to harm others they should go to jail.

Just because I own one doesn’t make me a criminal.[/quote]
¿qué?

[briansd1]

[quote=harvey]Libertarian logic is often so hopelessly shallow.

I don’t understand why private citizens cannot own nuclear weapons.

Why is does the government take away my freedom to own a nuclear weapon?

Of course if someone a nuclear weapon to harm others they should go to jail.

Just because I own one doesn’t make me a criminal.[/quote]

Are you going to keep the gentle intellectual demeanor of harvey? If not, you should change back to pri. Harvey is such a gentle old-fashioned name. It would be a shame to tarnish it.

[Author]

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