OT – Norway

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[quote=KSMountain]All right-wingers? So like, Bob Dole was inspirational to him?[/quote]

Unlike the Arizona shooter – this guy was a straight political “hate-speech” inspired.

Max Blumenthal does a great job covering the architecture of his thinking.

http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-a-perfect-product-of-the-axis-of-islamophobia/

]When I wrote my analysis last December on the “Axis of Islamophobia,” laying out a new international political network of right-wing ultra-Zionists, Christian evangelicals, Tea Party activists and racist British soccer hooligans, I did not foresee a terrorist like Anders Behring Breivik emerging from the movement’s ranks. At the same time, I am not surprised that he did.

The rhetoric of the characters who inspired Breivik, from Pam Geller to Robert Spencer to Daniel Pipes, was so eliminationist in its nature that it was perhaps only a matter of time before someone put words into action.

As horrific as Breivik’s actions were, he can not be dismissed as a “madman.” His writings contain the same themes and language as more prominent right-wing Islamophobes (or those who style themselves as “counter-Jihadists”) and many conservatives in general. What’s more, Breivik was articulate and coherent enough to offer a clear snapshot of his ideological motives. Ali Abunimah and Alex Kane have posted excellent summaries of Breivik’s writings here and here and a full English translation is here. It is also worth sitting through at least a portion of Breivik’s tedious video manifesto to get a sense of his thinking.

The Great Islamophobic Crusade
Inside the Bizarre Cabal of Secretive Donors, Demagogic Bloggers, Pseudo-Scholars, European Neo-Fascists, Violent Israeli Settlers, and Republican Presidential Hopefuls Behind the Crusade
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175334/tomgram:_max_blumenthal,_the_great_fear_/

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[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism.[/quote]

BS.

The tenets of christianity are whatever christians decide to call them. Christians pick and choose which “tenets” to believe and to behave according to. They interpret their bibles whichever way they want and then claim they have “god” behind them when they behave badly (or well).

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Steven Weinberg

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[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism.[/quote]

BS.

The tenets of christianity are whatever christians decide to call them. Christians pick and choose which “tenets” to believe and to behave according to. They interpret their bibles whichever way they want and then claim they have “god” behind them when they behave badly (or well).

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Steven Weinberg

[zk]

[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism.[/quote]

BS.

The tenets of christianity are whatever christians decide to call them. Christians pick and choose which “tenets” to believe and to behave according to. They interpret their bibles whichever way they want and then claim they have “god” behind them when they behave badly (or well).

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Steven Weinberg

[zk]

[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism.[/quote]

BS.

The tenets of christianity are whatever christians decide to call them. Christians pick and choose which “tenets” to believe and to behave according to. They interpret their bibles whichever way they want and then claim they have “god” behind them when they behave badly (or well).

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Steven Weinberg

[zk]

[quote=njtosd]Just for the record, I don’t think I would go so far as to call this “Christian terrorism.” In fact, I don’t believe there can be any such thing, as the tenets of Christianity (I’m Roman Catholic, for the record) are diametrically opposed to terrorism.[/quote]

BS.

The tenets of christianity are whatever christians decide to call them. Christians pick and choose which “tenets” to believe and to behave according to. They interpret their bibles whichever way they want and then claim they have “god” behind them when they behave badly (or well).

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

Steven Weinberg

[KSMountain]

Breivik also mentioned Geert Wilders (sp) and some Hindu activist and the Unabomber.

I think “inspired by American right-wingers” is likely an extreme over simplification.

[KSMountain]

Breivik also mentioned Geert Wilders (sp) and some Hindu activist and the Unabomber.

I think “inspired by American right-wingers” is likely an extreme over simplification.

[KSMountain]

Breivik also mentioned Geert Wilders (sp) and some Hindu activist and the Unabomber.

I think “inspired by American right-wingers” is likely an extreme over simplification.

[KSMountain]

Breivik also mentioned Geert Wilders (sp) and some Hindu activist and the Unabomber.

I think “inspired by American right-wingers” is likely an extreme over simplification.

[KSMountain]

Breivik also mentioned Geert Wilders (sp) and some Hindu activist and the Unabomber.

I think “inspired by American right-wingers” is likely an extreme over simplification.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Uh, just out of curiosity, who here has read Andrew Berwick’s (Anders Breivik’s) manifesto from cover to cover? That’s rhetorical, since its 1,518 pages.

To say that he’s Christian, or was inspired by American right-wingers, only captures a small part of the total. But, as befits good bigots everywhere, don’t miss an opportunity to smear Christianity by lumping this bugshit crazy mofo in with them.

For the record, he also draws inspiration, though not common cause, with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, in terms of approach and the viral spread of the message.

And, Brian, that “right-wing Christian terrorism” has already been here. Oklahoma City, 1995. Your grasp of history, like your grasp of facts, grows ever more attenuated.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Uh, just out of curiosity, who here has read Andrew Berwick’s (Anders Breivik’s) manifesto from cover to cover? That’s rhetorical, since its 1,518 pages.

To say that he’s Christian, or was inspired by American right-wingers, only captures a small part of the total. But, as befits good bigots everywhere, don’t miss an opportunity to smear Christianity by lumping this bugshit crazy mofo in with them.

For the record, he also draws inspiration, though not common cause, with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, in terms of approach and the viral spread of the message.

And, Brian, that “right-wing Christian terrorism” has already been here. Oklahoma City, 1995. Your grasp of history, like your grasp of facts, grows ever more attenuated.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Uh, just out of curiosity, who here has read Andrew Berwick’s (Anders Breivik’s) manifesto from cover to cover? That’s rhetorical, since its 1,518 pages.

To say that he’s Christian, or was inspired by American right-wingers, only captures a small part of the total. But, as befits good bigots everywhere, don’t miss an opportunity to smear Christianity by lumping this bugshit crazy mofo in with them.

For the record, he also draws inspiration, though not common cause, with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, in terms of approach and the viral spread of the message.

And, Brian, that “right-wing Christian terrorism” has already been here. Oklahoma City, 1995. Your grasp of history, like your grasp of facts, grows ever more attenuated.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Uh, just out of curiosity, who here has read Andrew Berwick’s (Anders Breivik’s) manifesto from cover to cover? That’s rhetorical, since its 1,518 pages.

To say that he’s Christian, or was inspired by American right-wingers, only captures a small part of the total. But, as befits good bigots everywhere, don’t miss an opportunity to smear Christianity by lumping this bugshit crazy mofo in with them.

For the record, he also draws inspiration, though not common cause, with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, in terms of approach and the viral spread of the message.

And, Brian, that “right-wing Christian terrorism” has already been here. Oklahoma City, 1995. Your grasp of history, like your grasp of facts, grows ever more attenuated.

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