OT: LOL… All you folks that are trying to eat organic from places like Whole Foods….

[Shadowfax]

No expert here either but I agree that produce and products that originate from or contain GMOs should at least be labeled as such so that those who wish to avoid them can do so.

My limited understanding is that the GMO seeds are expensive and that farmers cannot use last year’s crop to generate new seeds, like they normally would. Instead, Monsanto requires they buy new seeds from Monsanto each year. Also, the GMO seeds contaminate their other similar crops–wheat to wheat for example, so if they grow GMO wheat and regular wheat, the GMO wheat contaminates the regular wheat in some way.

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.

[Shadowfax]

Oh, and maybe this is all moot: the GMO/natural debate is pointless if Americans can’t wean ourselves off McDonald’s Super Sized everything. Any health benefits between organic and GMO produce are de minimis in the diets of most Americans who don’t eat much fresh food anyway.

But for those who do, at least you won’t die from cancer from that source. But how pure is the air you breathe, the water you drink, how safe is your car, or your living environment. Something will get each of us someday. You can only rule out so many variables.

[Shadowfax]

Oh, and maybe this is all moot: the GMO/natural debate is pointless if Americans can’t wean ourselves off McDonald’s Super Sized everything. Any health benefits between organic and GMO produce are de minimis in the diets of most Americans who don’t eat much fresh food anyway.

But for those who do, at least you won’t die from cancer from that source. But how pure is the air you breathe, the water you drink, how safe is your car, or your living environment. Something will get each of us someday. You can only rule out so many variables.

[Shadowfax]

Oh, and maybe this is all moot: the GMO/natural debate is pointless if Americans can’t wean ourselves off McDonald’s Super Sized everything. Any health benefits between organic and GMO produce are de minimis in the diets of most Americans who don’t eat much fresh food anyway.

But for those who do, at least you won’t die from cancer from that source. But how pure is the air you breathe, the water you drink, how safe is your car, or your living environment. Something will get each of us someday. You can only rule out so many variables.

[Shadowfax]

Oh, and maybe this is all moot: the GMO/natural debate is pointless if Americans can’t wean ourselves off McDonald’s Super Sized everything. Any health benefits between organic and GMO produce are de minimis in the diets of most Americans who don’t eat much fresh food anyway.

But for those who do, at least you won’t die from cancer from that source. But how pure is the air you breathe, the water you drink, how safe is your car, or your living environment. Something will get each of us someday. You can only rule out so many variables.

[Shadowfax]

Oh, and maybe this is all moot: the GMO/natural debate is pointless if Americans can’t wean ourselves off McDonald’s Super Sized everything. Any health benefits between organic and GMO produce are de minimis in the diets of most Americans who don’t eat much fresh food anyway.

But for those who do, at least you won’t die from cancer from that source. But how pure is the air you breathe, the water you drink, how safe is your car, or your living environment. Something will get each of us someday. You can only rule out so many variables.

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[quote=Shadowfax]

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.[/quote]

I understand the sentiment, but the facts are that we have been creating foods not present in the nature for centuries, even before GMO came along.

For example,

Durum wheat or macaroni wheat is the only tetraploid species of wheat of commercial importance that is widely cultivated today. It was developed by artificial selection of the domesticated emmer wheat strains formerly grown in Central Europe and Near East around 7000 B.C., which developed a naked, free-threshing form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durum
http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/farming/stockcrop/wheat/wheathist.html

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[quote=Shadowfax]

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.[/quote]

I understand the sentiment, but the facts are that we have been creating foods not present in the nature for centuries, even before GMO came along.

For example,

Durum wheat or macaroni wheat is the only tetraploid species of wheat of commercial importance that is widely cultivated today. It was developed by artificial selection of the domesticated emmer wheat strains formerly grown in Central Europe and Near East around 7000 B.C., which developed a naked, free-threshing form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durum
http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/farming/stockcrop/wheat/wheathist.html

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Shadowfax]

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.[/quote]

I understand the sentiment, but the facts are that we have been creating foods not present in the nature for centuries, even before GMO came along.

For example,

Durum wheat or macaroni wheat is the only tetraploid species of wheat of commercial importance that is widely cultivated today. It was developed by artificial selection of the domesticated emmer wheat strains formerly grown in Central Europe and Near East around 7000 B.C., which developed a naked, free-threshing form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durum
http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/farming/stockcrop/wheat/wheathist.html

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Shadowfax]

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.[/quote]

I understand the sentiment, but the facts are that we have been creating foods not present in the nature for centuries, even before GMO came along.

For example,

Durum wheat or macaroni wheat is the only tetraploid species of wheat of commercial importance that is widely cultivated today. It was developed by artificial selection of the domesticated emmer wheat strains formerly grown in Central Europe and Near East around 7000 B.C., which developed a naked, free-threshing form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durum
http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/farming/stockcrop/wheat/wheathist.html

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Shadowfax]

I also find it frightening that humans again think they are so superior that they can defeat 1000s of years of evolution in a petri dish. Certain plant species evolve to adapt to certain environments–to be draught resistant or to survive certain infestations. In the case of Inida, to try to wipe that all out with a man-made GMO crop…it’s the worst kind of arrogance.[/quote]

I understand the sentiment, but the facts are that we have been creating foods not present in the nature for centuries, even before GMO came along.

For example,

Durum wheat or macaroni wheat is the only tetraploid species of wheat of commercial importance that is widely cultivated today. It was developed by artificial selection of the domesticated emmer wheat strains formerly grown in Central Europe and Near East around 7000 B.C., which developed a naked, free-threshing form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durum
http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/farming/stockcrop/wheat/wheathist.html

[Shadowfax]

There is a difference between 1) cross polinating or animal husbandry (which I have always thought a strange term) and 2) genetic modification of foods–the former might occur in response to “natural” stimuli (and not always with beneficial results), the latter is the forced cross breeding of plants that might not be otherwise compatible, perhaps for very good reasons. We won’t know for sure for decades. We just aren’t very good at projections in this area.

[Shadowfax]

There is a difference between 1) cross polinating or animal husbandry (which I have always thought a strange term) and 2) genetic modification of foods–the former might occur in response to “natural” stimuli (and not always with beneficial results), the latter is the forced cross breeding of plants that might not be otherwise compatible, perhaps for very good reasons. We won’t know for sure for decades. We just aren’t very good at projections in this area.

[Shadowfax]

There is a difference between 1) cross polinating or animal husbandry (which I have always thought a strange term) and 2) genetic modification of foods–the former might occur in response to “natural” stimuli (and not always with beneficial results), the latter is the forced cross breeding of plants that might not be otherwise compatible, perhaps for very good reasons. We won’t know for sure for decades. We just aren’t very good at projections in this area.

[Shadowfax]

There is a difference between 1) cross polinating or animal husbandry (which I have always thought a strange term) and 2) genetic modification of foods–the former might occur in response to “natural” stimuli (and not always with beneficial results), the latter is the forced cross breeding of plants that might not be otherwise compatible, perhaps for very good reasons. We won’t know for sure for decades. We just aren’t very good at projections in this area.

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