OT – Joe the Plumber

[Coronita]

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Life is not really fair. You either adapt or you do not. A grand social experiment about redistributing wealth from those that have to those that do not can be abstracted to many other forms. What about the classroom? Should the teacher devote many more hours to the slow students because they cannot learn as fast as the quicker students? Should those that accel IN ANYTHING, be it academics, creation of wealth, atheletics, stop and devote more of thier own time effort and/or resources to help those that do not?
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SDR, unfortunately…The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program and the emphasis on the standardize tests. Public school teachers these days are being asked more to bring up the rear end up to average, and those above average are basically left alone as “good enough”. Yes, even in renowned Carmel Valley school districts.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should someone who has worked hard and earned wealth have to contribute more to the government then anybody else?
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For every person you show me who “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, I can show you an Angelo Mozilo or a Bernie Ebbers or tens of thousands who got their jobs through family connections. Do you think George W. Bush would’ve gotten into Yale if his daddy wasn’t George Bush?

You are doing what every faux conservative/capitalist does: romanticizing the American system. Those at the top generally didn’t get their on their own just as those at the bottom didn’t get stuck at the bottom all on their own. It’s tough to escape poverty if you are born into it. It is also tough to escape a life of wealth and leisure if you are born into it (witness Paris Hilton).

All Obama proposes to do is to increase the marginal wages of the super-rich a few percentage points. It’s not nearly as big of a deal as all the faux conservatives/capitalists make it out to be.

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should you Breeze pay less then say me? Here are my numbers. You can assume I make 10k or 100k or 1M it doesn’t matter. Just tell me why you should pay less then me.
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Why should you pay less than me? Somebody’s got to pay and I’m of the opinion that the super-rich have not been paying their fair share and should pay more. Feel free to vote for McCain if you want to see more tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should someone who has worked hard and earned wealth have to contribute more to the government then anybody else?
[/quote]

For every person you show me who “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, I can show you an Angelo Mozilo or a Bernie Ebbers or tens of thousands who got their jobs through family connections. Do you think George W. Bush would’ve gotten into Yale if his daddy wasn’t George Bush?

You are doing what every faux conservative/capitalist does: romanticizing the American system. Those at the top generally didn’t get their on their own just as those at the bottom didn’t get stuck at the bottom all on their own. It’s tough to escape poverty if you are born into it. It is also tough to escape a life of wealth and leisure if you are born into it (witness Paris Hilton).

All Obama proposes to do is to increase the marginal wages of the super-rich a few percentage points. It’s not nearly as big of a deal as all the faux conservatives/capitalists make it out to be.

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should you Breeze pay less then say me? Here are my numbers. You can assume I make 10k or 100k or 1M it doesn’t matter. Just tell me why you should pay less then me.
[/quote]

Why should you pay less than me? Somebody’s got to pay and I’m of the opinion that the super-rich have not been paying their fair share and should pay more. Feel free to vote for McCain if you want to see more tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should someone who has worked hard and earned wealth have to contribute more to the government then anybody else?
[/quote]

For every person you show me who “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, I can show you an Angelo Mozilo or a Bernie Ebbers or tens of thousands who got their jobs through family connections. Do you think George W. Bush would’ve gotten into Yale if his daddy wasn’t George Bush?

You are doing what every faux conservative/capitalist does: romanticizing the American system. Those at the top generally didn’t get their on their own just as those at the bottom didn’t get stuck at the bottom all on their own. It’s tough to escape poverty if you are born into it. It is also tough to escape a life of wealth and leisure if you are born into it (witness Paris Hilton).

All Obama proposes to do is to increase the marginal wages of the super-rich a few percentage points. It’s not nearly as big of a deal as all the faux conservatives/capitalists make it out to be.

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should you Breeze pay less then say me? Here are my numbers. You can assume I make 10k or 100k or 1M it doesn’t matter. Just tell me why you should pay less then me.
[/quote]

Why should you pay less than me? Somebody’s got to pay and I’m of the opinion that the super-rich have not been paying their fair share and should pay more. Feel free to vote for McCain if you want to see more tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should someone who has worked hard and earned wealth have to contribute more to the government then anybody else?
[/quote]

For every person you show me who “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, I can show you an Angelo Mozilo or a Bernie Ebbers or tens of thousands who got their jobs through family connections. Do you think George W. Bush would’ve gotten into Yale if his daddy wasn’t George Bush?

You are doing what every faux conservative/capitalist does: romanticizing the American system. Those at the top generally didn’t get their on their own just as those at the bottom didn’t get stuck at the bottom all on their own. It’s tough to escape poverty if you are born into it. It is also tough to escape a life of wealth and leisure if you are born into it (witness Paris Hilton).

All Obama proposes to do is to increase the marginal wages of the super-rich a few percentage points. It’s not nearly as big of a deal as all the faux conservatives/capitalists make it out to be.

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should you Breeze pay less then say me? Here are my numbers. You can assume I make 10k or 100k or 1M it doesn’t matter. Just tell me why you should pay less then me.
[/quote]

Why should you pay less than me? Somebody’s got to pay and I’m of the opinion that the super-rich have not been paying their fair share and should pay more. Feel free to vote for McCain if you want to see more tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should someone who has worked hard and earned wealth have to contribute more to the government then anybody else?
[/quote]

For every person you show me who “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps”, I can show you an Angelo Mozilo or a Bernie Ebbers or tens of thousands who got their jobs through family connections. Do you think George W. Bush would’ve gotten into Yale if his daddy wasn’t George Bush?

You are doing what every faux conservative/capitalist does: romanticizing the American system. Those at the top generally didn’t get their on their own just as those at the bottom didn’t get stuck at the bottom all on their own. It’s tough to escape poverty if you are born into it. It is also tough to escape a life of wealth and leisure if you are born into it (witness Paris Hilton).

All Obama proposes to do is to increase the marginal wages of the super-rich a few percentage points. It’s not nearly as big of a deal as all the faux conservatives/capitalists make it out to be.

[quote=SD Realtor]
Why should you Breeze pay less then say me? Here are my numbers. You can assume I make 10k or 100k or 1M it doesn’t matter. Just tell me why you should pay less then me.
[/quote]

Why should you pay less than me? Somebody’s got to pay and I’m of the opinion that the super-rich have not been paying their fair share and should pay more. Feel free to vote for McCain if you want to see more tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program
[/quote]

Another fine Republican program!

[TheBreeze]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program
[/quote]

Another fine Republican program!

[TheBreeze]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program
[/quote]

Another fine Republican program!

[TheBreeze]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program
[/quote]

Another fine Republican program!

[TheBreeze]

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program
[/quote]

Another fine Republican program!

[Coronita]

[quote]
Life is not really fair. You either adapt or you do not. A grand social experiment about redistributing wealth from those that have to those that do not can be abstracted to many other forms. What about the classroom? Should the teacher devote many more hours to the slow students because they cannot learn as fast as the quicker students? Should those that accel IN ANYTHING, be it academics, creation of wealth, atheletics, stop and devote more of thier own time effort and/or resources to help those that do not?
[/quote]

SDR, unfortunately…The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program and the emphasis on the standardize tests. Public school teachers these days are being asked more to bring up the rear end up to average, and those above average are basically left alone as “good enough”. Yes, even in renowned Carmel Valley school districts.

[/quote]

Also, I’ve got another analogy, sort of on the light side…I suck at football (or any sport for that matter)…. Asians are under-represented in the NFL. Where’s my “no asian NFL wannabe player left behind” social program? I’ve got not athletic talent, I wasn’t born with athletic skills. I’m athletically underprivileged. How about spreading the opportunity to me? Hey, I wanna make an NFL salary. I want my cut. I should be drafted for the San Diego Chargers under some social, equalizing program. Heck, the way the Chargers are playing, it might do some good.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Life is not really fair. You either adapt or you do not. A grand social experiment about redistributing wealth from those that have to those that do not can be abstracted to many other forms. What about the classroom? Should the teacher devote many more hours to the slow students because they cannot learn as fast as the quicker students? Should those that accel IN ANYTHING, be it academics, creation of wealth, atheletics, stop and devote more of thier own time effort and/or resources to help those that do not?
[/quote]

SDR, unfortunately…The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program and the emphasis on the standardize tests. Public school teachers these days are being asked more to bring up the rear end up to average, and those above average are basically left alone as “good enough”. Yes, even in renowned Carmel Valley school districts.

[/quote]

Also, I’ve got another analogy, sort of on the light side…I suck at football (or any sport for that matter)…. Asians are under-represented in the NFL. Where’s my “no asian NFL wannabe player left behind” social program? I’ve got not athletic talent, I wasn’t born with athletic skills. I’m athletically underprivileged. How about spreading the opportunity to me? Hey, I wanna make an NFL salary. I want my cut. I should be drafted for the San Diego Chargers under some social, equalizing program. Heck, the way the Chargers are playing, it might do some good.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Life is not really fair. You either adapt or you do not. A grand social experiment about redistributing wealth from those that have to those that do not can be abstracted to many other forms. What about the classroom? Should the teacher devote many more hours to the slow students because they cannot learn as fast as the quicker students? Should those that accel IN ANYTHING, be it academics, creation of wealth, atheletics, stop and devote more of thier own time effort and/or resources to help those that do not?
[/quote]

SDR, unfortunately…The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program and the emphasis on the standardize tests. Public school teachers these days are being asked more to bring up the rear end up to average, and those above average are basically left alone as “good enough”. Yes, even in renowned Carmel Valley school districts.

[/quote]

Also, I’ve got another analogy, sort of on the light side…I suck at football (or any sport for that matter)…. Asians are under-represented in the NFL. Where’s my “no asian NFL wannabe player left behind” social program? I’ve got not athletic talent, I wasn’t born with athletic skills. I’m athletically underprivileged. How about spreading the opportunity to me? Hey, I wanna make an NFL salary. I want my cut. I should be drafted for the San Diego Chargers under some social, equalizing program. Heck, the way the Chargers are playing, it might do some good.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Life is not really fair. You either adapt or you do not. A grand social experiment about redistributing wealth from those that have to those that do not can be abstracted to many other forms. What about the classroom? Should the teacher devote many more hours to the slow students because they cannot learn as fast as the quicker students? Should those that accel IN ANYTHING, be it academics, creation of wealth, atheletics, stop and devote more of thier own time effort and/or resources to help those that do not?
[/quote]

SDR, unfortunately…The thing about the classroom and teachers is sort of already true. It’s called the “no student left behind” program and the emphasis on the standardize tests. Public school teachers these days are being asked more to bring up the rear end up to average, and those above average are basically left alone as “good enough”. Yes, even in renowned Carmel Valley school districts.

[/quote]

Also, I’ve got another analogy, sort of on the light side…I suck at football (or any sport for that matter)…. Asians are under-represented in the NFL. Where’s my “no asian NFL wannabe player left behind” social program? I’ve got not athletic talent, I wasn’t born with athletic skills. I’m athletically underprivileged. How about spreading the opportunity to me? Hey, I wanna make an NFL salary. I want my cut. I should be drafted for the San Diego Chargers under some social, equalizing program. Heck, the way the Chargers are playing, it might do some good.

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