OT – Joe the Plumber

[CA renter]

AN,

Not saying this is right, or that I feel this way personally.

Just that, in my time growing up here in So Cal, it’s never been my impression that anyone thought Asians needed extra help, while it’s readily acknowledged that black and Lat Ams are often “discriminated against” (some their own fault, some just the result of generations of major cultural differences that manifest themselves in “racist” beliefs).

As stated before, my mother was also an immigrant who literally came over on the boat with a suitcase and $15.00 — $10.00 of which had to be paid as a fee when disembarking. She also worked her a$$ off and spoke a foreign language (German) that was “discriminated against” due to WWII — Americans didn’t like Germans/Austrians any more than they liked the Japanese. Most of her friends lived through the same experience and succeeded. None of them had any sort of public help or “affirmative action”.

OTOH, you must admit that some cultures (including many/most Asian and European) value and have access to better educational opportunities than people coming from most Latin American or African countries. For the blacks who are descendents of slaves, there are some legitimate reasons to try and help them up more than those who come from more educated cultures/countries.

Just offering a different POV.

[Shadowfax]

Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[Shadowfax]

Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[Shadowfax]

Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[Shadowfax]

Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[Shadowfax]

Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[equalizer]

FLU,

Most of your arguments are valid, but some of your conclusions could be considered emotional leaps.

Sure, I think I have heard chinks on TV before and not hiSPanICs or n***rs. Asians are the punching bag of America, though much less so than 15 years ago.

The horrible Detroit case was 25 years ago, now even the black mayor after 10 tries in going to prison. (Sure, had he been Asian he would never had the guts and the political cover to do the the crimes) Point is that judicial system has gotten a lot more strict in those 20 years. The racist who killed turban headed gentlemen at convenience store right after 9/11 got the death penalty in AZ I believe. The Lee case didn’t get much attention because of our Law and Order society – he must have done something wrong. He did act strange. Clinton had too much political fallout from some illegal Asian contributors and couldn’t be soft in this case and threw him under the bus. The judge is the one who put him in isolation and then he blames everyone else but himself. Do you really think the case would be much different in last 7 years?? Joe the plumber is going to fight for Lee?

Women’s gymnastics is most watched sport in USA Olympics, don’t discount it. You think the Fox news watching crowd in east county thinks the world of the Chinese athletes or are going to treat your mom better than libs in La Jolla? They will all give you lip service, but in the end “Asians are just good workers bees, dont make any trouble, but they don’t have any clout so we can just step on them.”

This is what some white people think: Most Asians hate other Asian groups and almost always go for safe high paying professions. They generally don’t assimilate with their white neighbors and most laugh at blacks and Hispanics (and most whites) as lazy and stupid. They toil away in labs while dumb non Asians get promoted and play on the golf course with the execs.

I dont really get the Asian college quota argument. Who has said that Asians are taking away all seats away from black, or whites because of AA? Most everything I have heard is that “Asians study harder”, nothing else (well, ok they do have two brains that’s why they understand that non-Euclidean space thing)

You have proved that dems have let down Asians. You have shown that rep Party platform (H1B,etc) is more conducive to Asians, but you have not shown that Republican voters are nicer to your mom, which is really the bottom line.

I’m sure you have heard of 80/20 PAC, but hate it because they support dems usually. They claim they are trying to do some of the things you espouse.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/

[equalizer]

FLU,

Most of your arguments are valid, but some of your conclusions could be considered emotional leaps.

Sure, I think I have heard chinks on TV before and not hiSPanICs or n***rs. Asians are the punching bag of America, though much less so than 15 years ago.

The horrible Detroit case was 25 years ago, now even the black mayor after 10 tries in going to prison. (Sure, had he been Asian he would never had the guts and the political cover to do the the crimes) Point is that judicial system has gotten a lot more strict in those 20 years. The racist who killed turban headed gentlemen at convenience store right after 9/11 got the death penalty in AZ I believe. The Lee case didn’t get much attention because of our Law and Order society – he must have done something wrong. He did act strange. Clinton had too much political fallout from some illegal Asian contributors and couldn’t be soft in this case and threw him under the bus. The judge is the one who put him in isolation and then he blames everyone else but himself. Do you really think the case would be much different in last 7 years?? Joe the plumber is going to fight for Lee?

Women’s gymnastics is most watched sport in USA Olympics, don’t discount it. You think the Fox news watching crowd in east county thinks the world of the Chinese athletes or are going to treat your mom better than libs in La Jolla? They will all give you lip service, but in the end “Asians are just good workers bees, dont make any trouble, but they don’t have any clout so we can just step on them.”

This is what some white people think: Most Asians hate other Asian groups and almost always go for safe high paying professions. They generally don’t assimilate with their white neighbors and most laugh at blacks and Hispanics (and most whites) as lazy and stupid. They toil away in labs while dumb non Asians get promoted and play on the golf course with the execs.

I dont really get the Asian college quota argument. Who has said that Asians are taking away all seats away from black, or whites because of AA? Most everything I have heard is that “Asians study harder”, nothing else (well, ok they do have two brains that’s why they understand that non-Euclidean space thing)

You have proved that dems have let down Asians. You have shown that rep Party platform (H1B,etc) is more conducive to Asians, but you have not shown that Republican voters are nicer to your mom, which is really the bottom line.

I’m sure you have heard of 80/20 PAC, but hate it because they support dems usually. They claim they are trying to do some of the things you espouse.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/

[equalizer]

FLU,

Most of your arguments are valid, but some of your conclusions could be considered emotional leaps.

Sure, I think I have heard chinks on TV before and not hiSPanICs or n***rs. Asians are the punching bag of America, though much less so than 15 years ago.

The horrible Detroit case was 25 years ago, now even the black mayor after 10 tries in going to prison. (Sure, had he been Asian he would never had the guts and the political cover to do the the crimes) Point is that judicial system has gotten a lot more strict in those 20 years. The racist who killed turban headed gentlemen at convenience store right after 9/11 got the death penalty in AZ I believe. The Lee case didn’t get much attention because of our Law and Order society – he must have done something wrong. He did act strange. Clinton had too much political fallout from some illegal Asian contributors and couldn’t be soft in this case and threw him under the bus. The judge is the one who put him in isolation and then he blames everyone else but himself. Do you really think the case would be much different in last 7 years?? Joe the plumber is going to fight for Lee?

Women’s gymnastics is most watched sport in USA Olympics, don’t discount it. You think the Fox news watching crowd in east county thinks the world of the Chinese athletes or are going to treat your mom better than libs in La Jolla? They will all give you lip service, but in the end “Asians are just good workers bees, dont make any trouble, but they don’t have any clout so we can just step on them.”

This is what some white people think: Most Asians hate other Asian groups and almost always go for safe high paying professions. They generally don’t assimilate with their white neighbors and most laugh at blacks and Hispanics (and most whites) as lazy and stupid. They toil away in labs while dumb non Asians get promoted and play on the golf course with the execs.

I dont really get the Asian college quota argument. Who has said that Asians are taking away all seats away from black, or whites because of AA? Most everything I have heard is that “Asians study harder”, nothing else (well, ok they do have two brains that’s why they understand that non-Euclidean space thing)

You have proved that dems have let down Asians. You have shown that rep Party platform (H1B,etc) is more conducive to Asians, but you have not shown that Republican voters are nicer to your mom, which is really the bottom line.

I’m sure you have heard of 80/20 PAC, but hate it because they support dems usually. They claim they are trying to do some of the things you espouse.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/

[equalizer]

FLU,

Most of your arguments are valid, but some of your conclusions could be considered emotional leaps.

Sure, I think I have heard chinks on TV before and not hiSPanICs or n***rs. Asians are the punching bag of America, though much less so than 15 years ago.

The horrible Detroit case was 25 years ago, now even the black mayor after 10 tries in going to prison. (Sure, had he been Asian he would never had the guts and the political cover to do the the crimes) Point is that judicial system has gotten a lot more strict in those 20 years. The racist who killed turban headed gentlemen at convenience store right after 9/11 got the death penalty in AZ I believe. The Lee case didn’t get much attention because of our Law and Order society – he must have done something wrong. He did act strange. Clinton had too much political fallout from some illegal Asian contributors and couldn’t be soft in this case and threw him under the bus. The judge is the one who put him in isolation and then he blames everyone else but himself. Do you really think the case would be much different in last 7 years?? Joe the plumber is going to fight for Lee?

Women’s gymnastics is most watched sport in USA Olympics, don’t discount it. You think the Fox news watching crowd in east county thinks the world of the Chinese athletes or are going to treat your mom better than libs in La Jolla? They will all give you lip service, but in the end “Asians are just good workers bees, dont make any trouble, but they don’t have any clout so we can just step on them.”

This is what some white people think: Most Asians hate other Asian groups and almost always go for safe high paying professions. They generally don’t assimilate with their white neighbors and most laugh at blacks and Hispanics (and most whites) as lazy and stupid. They toil away in labs while dumb non Asians get promoted and play on the golf course with the execs.

I dont really get the Asian college quota argument. Who has said that Asians are taking away all seats away from black, or whites because of AA? Most everything I have heard is that “Asians study harder”, nothing else (well, ok they do have two brains that’s why they understand that non-Euclidean space thing)

You have proved that dems have let down Asians. You have shown that rep Party platform (H1B,etc) is more conducive to Asians, but you have not shown that Republican voters are nicer to your mom, which is really the bottom line.

I’m sure you have heard of 80/20 PAC, but hate it because they support dems usually. They claim they are trying to do some of the things you espouse.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/

[equalizer]

FLU,

Most of your arguments are valid, but some of your conclusions could be considered emotional leaps.

Sure, I think I have heard chinks on TV before and not hiSPanICs or n***rs. Asians are the punching bag of America, though much less so than 15 years ago.

The horrible Detroit case was 25 years ago, now even the black mayor after 10 tries in going to prison. (Sure, had he been Asian he would never had the guts and the political cover to do the the crimes) Point is that judicial system has gotten a lot more strict in those 20 years. The racist who killed turban headed gentlemen at convenience store right after 9/11 got the death penalty in AZ I believe. The Lee case didn’t get much attention because of our Law and Order society – he must have done something wrong. He did act strange. Clinton had too much political fallout from some illegal Asian contributors and couldn’t be soft in this case and threw him under the bus. The judge is the one who put him in isolation and then he blames everyone else but himself. Do you really think the case would be much different in last 7 years?? Joe the plumber is going to fight for Lee?

Women’s gymnastics is most watched sport in USA Olympics, don’t discount it. You think the Fox news watching crowd in east county thinks the world of the Chinese athletes or are going to treat your mom better than libs in La Jolla? They will all give you lip service, but in the end “Asians are just good workers bees, dont make any trouble, but they don’t have any clout so we can just step on them.”

This is what some white people think: Most Asians hate other Asian groups and almost always go for safe high paying professions. They generally don’t assimilate with their white neighbors and most laugh at blacks and Hispanics (and most whites) as lazy and stupid. They toil away in labs while dumb non Asians get promoted and play on the golf course with the execs.

I dont really get the Asian college quota argument. Who has said that Asians are taking away all seats away from black, or whites because of AA? Most everything I have heard is that “Asians study harder”, nothing else (well, ok they do have two brains that’s why they understand that non-Euclidean space thing)

You have proved that dems have let down Asians. You have shown that rep Party platform (H1B,etc) is more conducive to Asians, but you have not shown that Republican voters are nicer to your mom, which is really the bottom line.

I’m sure you have heard of 80/20 PAC, but hate it because they support dems usually. They claim they are trying to do some of the things you espouse.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[/quote]

Sorry, I meant quote someone else, and then the thread got updated and then I couldn’t delete it. No intent to “artificially” add length. I’m happy to add length non-artificially. I should take on a new moniker. Angry Asian or something like that. Breath in breath out…Breath in…Breath out.

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[/quote]

Sorry, I meant quote someone else, and then the thread got updated and then I couldn’t delete it. No intent to “artificially” add length. I’m happy to add length non-artificially. I should take on a new moniker. Angry Asian or something like that. Breath in breath out…Breath in…Breath out.

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[/quote]

Sorry, I meant quote someone else, and then the thread got updated and then I couldn’t delete it. No intent to “artificially” add length. I’m happy to add length non-artificially. I should take on a new moniker. Angry Asian or something like that. Breath in breath out…Breath in…Breath out.

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]Ok, my asian amis. I am fine if you want to write scholarly treatises about the asian american experience, but please don’t quote someone else’s diatribe (pages long) in full, right below the original and then not have anything to add? Artificially adding length to this thread is very uncool… 😉

[/quote]

Sorry, I meant quote someone else, and then the thread got updated and then I couldn’t delete it. No intent to “artificially” add length. I’m happy to add length non-artificially. I should take on a new moniker. Angry Asian or something like that. Breath in breath out…Breath in…Breath out.

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