OT – Joe the Plumber

[TheBreeze]

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The role of government is not to spread people’s wealth around – that is if we’re going to remember we have a constitution. Life, libery and the pursuit of happiness.

It makes me want to barf when he says things like that – talk about a great way to halt progress in America by removing the incentive for hard work and buying up lazy voters through giving them something for nothing.
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How do you feel about Bush’s $10 trillion in socialism to the richest of Americans and foreigners? Are you cool with Bush giving your taxpayer dollars to the super-rich?

I always see outrage amongst faux conservatives when the super-rich might have to pay an extra 1% in taxes or when a hungry child gets a reduced-priced lunch, but there doesn’t seem to be any outrage when crooked banks are given $700 billion for fraudulently-originated loans. Such hypocrisy.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[Coronita]

[quote=bob2007]patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

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You’d be surprised how many people would answer than question actually. I often here, “it’s not fair, we’re all born differently, etc,etc,etc”

[Coronita]

[quote=bob2007]patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[/quote]

You’d be surprised how many people would answer than question actually. I often here, “it’s not fair, we’re all born differently, etc,etc,etc”

[Coronita]

[quote=bob2007]patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[/quote]

You’d be surprised how many people would answer than question actually. I often here, “it’s not fair, we’re all born differently, etc,etc,etc”

[Coronita]

[quote=bob2007]patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[/quote]

You’d be surprised how many people would answer than question actually. I often here, “it’s not fair, we’re all born differently, etc,etc,etc”

[Coronita]

[quote=bob2007]patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[/quote]

You’d be surprised how many people would answer than question actually. I often here, “it’s not fair, we’re all born differently, etc,etc,etc”

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

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