OT: Is it just me or is this really sleezy?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.

[NotCranky]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.

[Coronita]

[quote=Russell][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.[/quote]

As much as I know about cheer competition and how much athletism it you might need to have to do those performances, fundamentally, part of cheerleading still involves, well cheering a boy’s football team or basketball. Sorry, no matter how one spins it, it just doesn’t fly in my book. Charger girls still look like charger girls too me. Laker girls still look like Laker girls to me. Second, most high school cheer squad are no way near any sort of competitive.

I’m sure there are girls who are smart who were high school cheerleaders…And perhaps it’s a fad. But I’d really like to see where this takes one after you’re done with high school. Anyone have a daughter that is a professional cheerleader???? And if you’re that good, you’d be in gymnastics…I’m not saying everyone is going to be a pro-athlete…But at least sports (regardless of how good you) is good for something after high school. You can play tennis/golf/martial arts throughout your whole life. You can play football/basketball/etc. You can’t cheer all your life. And it’s not an Olympic sport 🙂 To each and everyone’s own.

[Coronita]

[quote=Russell][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.[/quote]

As much as I know about cheer competition and how much athletism it you might need to have to do those performances, fundamentally, part of cheerleading still involves, well cheering a boy’s football team or basketball. Sorry, no matter how one spins it, it just doesn’t fly in my book. Charger girls still look like charger girls too me. Laker girls still look like Laker girls to me. Second, most high school cheer squad are no way near any sort of competitive.

I’m sure there are girls who are smart who were high school cheerleaders…And perhaps it’s a fad. But I’d really like to see where this takes one after you’re done with high school. Anyone have a daughter that is a professional cheerleader???? And if you’re that good, you’d be in gymnastics…I’m not saying everyone is going to be a pro-athlete…But at least sports (regardless of how good you) is good for something after high school. You can play tennis/golf/martial arts throughout your whole life. You can play football/basketball/etc. You can’t cheer all your life. And it’s not an Olympic sport 🙂 To each and everyone’s own.

[Coronita]

[quote=Russell][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.[/quote]

As much as I know about cheer competition and how much athletism it you might need to have to do those performances, fundamentally, part of cheerleading still involves, well cheering a boy’s football team or basketball. Sorry, no matter how one spins it, it just doesn’t fly in my book. Charger girls still look like charger girls too me. Laker girls still look like Laker girls to me. Second, most high school cheer squad are no way near any sort of competitive.

I’m sure there are girls who are smart who were high school cheerleaders…And perhaps it’s a fad. But I’d really like to see where this takes one after you’re done with high school. Anyone have a daughter that is a professional cheerleader???? And if you’re that good, you’d be in gymnastics…I’m not saying everyone is going to be a pro-athlete…But at least sports (regardless of how good you) is good for something after high school. You can play tennis/golf/martial arts throughout your whole life. You can play football/basketball/etc. You can’t cheer all your life. And it’s not an Olympic sport 🙂 To each and everyone’s own.

[Coronita]

[quote=Russell][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.[/quote]

As much as I know about cheer competition and how much athletism it you might need to have to do those performances, fundamentally, part of cheerleading still involves, well cheering a boy’s football team or basketball. Sorry, no matter how one spins it, it just doesn’t fly in my book. Charger girls still look like charger girls too me. Laker girls still look like Laker girls to me. Second, most high school cheer squad are no way near any sort of competitive.

I’m sure there are girls who are smart who were high school cheerleaders…And perhaps it’s a fad. But I’d really like to see where this takes one after you’re done with high school. Anyone have a daughter that is a professional cheerleader???? And if you’re that good, you’d be in gymnastics…I’m not saying everyone is going to be a pro-athlete…But at least sports (regardless of how good you) is good for something after high school. You can play tennis/golf/martial arts throughout your whole life. You can play football/basketball/etc. You can’t cheer all your life. And it’s not an Olympic sport 🙂 To each and everyone’s own.

[Coronita]

[quote=Russell][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]
I didn’t mention football once, Allan.[/quote]

Gee, Russell, when you referred to the “national sports obsession”, I figured you were including the most popular (and aggressive) sport in America. You know: Football?

Of course, I’m sure the Marine Corps just loves basketball and baseball players, too.

Ask any Army or USMC recruiter about their favorite sport (from a “raw material” standpoint) and they’ll all answer the same: Football. It stresses unquestioning obedience to authority, sacrifice for the team and the warrior ethos. That was what you were referring to, right?[/quote]

Actually Allan, I don’t carry that perception of football players compared to athletes from other team sports. Football, Basketball, soccer, and the other games where there is a goal on each end of a field or court, seem pretty similar to me.

I did however paint cheerleaders with a broad brush,by agreeing with FLU. I was wrong to do that. The idea of the prettiest girls, in mini-skirts and tight tops, cheering for most athletic boys, who are running up and down a field,or court, or whatever, is funny though.[/quote]

As much as I know about cheer competition and how much athletism it you might need to have to do those performances, fundamentally, part of cheerleading still involves, well cheering a boy’s football team or basketball. Sorry, no matter how one spins it, it just doesn’t fly in my book. Charger girls still look like charger girls too me. Laker girls still look like Laker girls to me. Second, most high school cheer squad are no way near any sort of competitive.

I’m sure there are girls who are smart who were high school cheerleaders…And perhaps it’s a fad. But I’d really like to see where this takes one after you’re done with high school. Anyone have a daughter that is a professional cheerleader???? And if you’re that good, you’d be in gymnastics…I’m not saying everyone is going to be a pro-athlete…But at least sports (regardless of how good you) is good for something after high school. You can play tennis/golf/martial arts throughout your whole life. You can play football/basketball/etc. You can’t cheer all your life. And it’s not an Olympic sport 🙂 To each and everyone’s own.

[CardiffBaseball]

There are no boys at tennis or golf matches flu.

Or if you are into chicks (not that there is anything wrong with that), they aren’t there either. Kids tend to congregate where most of the other kids are hangin’ out.

When I wuz a 3-year starter at PG about 120 lbs. ago in HS, we had a group of farmers that would come to the game as the rowdie rooters. They went to the games and screamed their fool heads off, and I loved it. Not sure why the girls cheering on the boys is any different.

Look I am the anti-russ in this case, my kids live on COD Modern Warfare, and they also play the macho team sports. In reality kids tend to go where their parents influence them so guilty as charged…. dad just doesn’t care about golf or tennis so the kids were never really exposed. (could we have lost the next Sampras?) Lacrosse, we didn’t mess with because rarely does a kid who hits the snot out of a baseball quit playing, but it’s a cool game too.

So yes I agree that if I had a daughter I’d probably be pushing something like softball/basketball not cheer. I just think these cheerleaders are getting a bum rap here. Sorry to the original poster, I seem to have hijacked… The competitive cheer squads are athletic as hell. How do we measure a great male athlete? Vertical leap, 40 times, how many times you can bench 225, what is your power clean, agility cone drills, etc.

I am guessing if you devised some kind of similar athletic test at the high school level I’d be willing to wager money on the competitive cheerleader over the most high school tennis players. Look at the legs, who do you think will squat or deadlift more? Now if you are talking about really pushing tennis, living at the club, using personal trainers and the whole prodigy thing, that’s different.

[CardiffBaseball]

There are no boys at tennis or golf matches flu.

Or if you are into chicks (not that there is anything wrong with that), they aren’t there either. Kids tend to congregate where most of the other kids are hangin’ out.

When I wuz a 3-year starter at PG about 120 lbs. ago in HS, we had a group of farmers that would come to the game as the rowdie rooters. They went to the games and screamed their fool heads off, and I loved it. Not sure why the girls cheering on the boys is any different.

Look I am the anti-russ in this case, my kids live on COD Modern Warfare, and they also play the macho team sports. In reality kids tend to go where their parents influence them so guilty as charged…. dad just doesn’t care about golf or tennis so the kids were never really exposed. (could we have lost the next Sampras?) Lacrosse, we didn’t mess with because rarely does a kid who hits the snot out of a baseball quit playing, but it’s a cool game too.

So yes I agree that if I had a daughter I’d probably be pushing something like softball/basketball not cheer. I just think these cheerleaders are getting a bum rap here. Sorry to the original poster, I seem to have hijacked… The competitive cheer squads are athletic as hell. How do we measure a great male athlete? Vertical leap, 40 times, how many times you can bench 225, what is your power clean, agility cone drills, etc.

I am guessing if you devised some kind of similar athletic test at the high school level I’d be willing to wager money on the competitive cheerleader over the most high school tennis players. Look at the legs, who do you think will squat or deadlift more? Now if you are talking about really pushing tennis, living at the club, using personal trainers and the whole prodigy thing, that’s different.

[CardiffBaseball]

There are no boys at tennis or golf matches flu.

Or if you are into chicks (not that there is anything wrong with that), they aren’t there either. Kids tend to congregate where most of the other kids are hangin’ out.

When I wuz a 3-year starter at PG about 120 lbs. ago in HS, we had a group of farmers that would come to the game as the rowdie rooters. They went to the games and screamed their fool heads off, and I loved it. Not sure why the girls cheering on the boys is any different.

Look I am the anti-russ in this case, my kids live on COD Modern Warfare, and they also play the macho team sports. In reality kids tend to go where their parents influence them so guilty as charged…. dad just doesn’t care about golf or tennis so the kids were never really exposed. (could we have lost the next Sampras?) Lacrosse, we didn’t mess with because rarely does a kid who hits the snot out of a baseball quit playing, but it’s a cool game too.

So yes I agree that if I had a daughter I’d probably be pushing something like softball/basketball not cheer. I just think these cheerleaders are getting a bum rap here. Sorry to the original poster, I seem to have hijacked… The competitive cheer squads are athletic as hell. How do we measure a great male athlete? Vertical leap, 40 times, how many times you can bench 225, what is your power clean, agility cone drills, etc.

I am guessing if you devised some kind of similar athletic test at the high school level I’d be willing to wager money on the competitive cheerleader over the most high school tennis players. Look at the legs, who do you think will squat or deadlift more? Now if you are talking about really pushing tennis, living at the club, using personal trainers and the whole prodigy thing, that’s different.

[CardiffBaseball]

There are no boys at tennis or golf matches flu.

Or if you are into chicks (not that there is anything wrong with that), they aren’t there either. Kids tend to congregate where most of the other kids are hangin’ out.

When I wuz a 3-year starter at PG about 120 lbs. ago in HS, we had a group of farmers that would come to the game as the rowdie rooters. They went to the games and screamed their fool heads off, and I loved it. Not sure why the girls cheering on the boys is any different.

Look I am the anti-russ in this case, my kids live on COD Modern Warfare, and they also play the macho team sports. In reality kids tend to go where their parents influence them so guilty as charged…. dad just doesn’t care about golf or tennis so the kids were never really exposed. (could we have lost the next Sampras?) Lacrosse, we didn’t mess with because rarely does a kid who hits the snot out of a baseball quit playing, but it’s a cool game too.

So yes I agree that if I had a daughter I’d probably be pushing something like softball/basketball not cheer. I just think these cheerleaders are getting a bum rap here. Sorry to the original poster, I seem to have hijacked… The competitive cheer squads are athletic as hell. How do we measure a great male athlete? Vertical leap, 40 times, how many times you can bench 225, what is your power clean, agility cone drills, etc.

I am guessing if you devised some kind of similar athletic test at the high school level I’d be willing to wager money on the competitive cheerleader over the most high school tennis players. Look at the legs, who do you think will squat or deadlift more? Now if you are talking about really pushing tennis, living at the club, using personal trainers and the whole prodigy thing, that’s different.

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