OT: Is it just me or is this really sleezy?

[SD Realtor]

Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]Speaking of kids, sort of hijack. I have a question for parents. Maybe it’s just me, I notice one difference between girls and boys growing up.

See, what I’m seeing is that if boys don’t like each other, they get kinda physical and start pushing each other around or hitting each other. When girls (inclusive of my kid) don’t like each other, they start saying stuff like “I’m not going to be your friend/we’re not going to talk to you.”… Is that consistent with what other parents see?

Second, whenever boys starts pushing my daughter around, she always asks tell me “XYZ pushed me around”. My response has been, “tell me when you get home….Tell him stop. If that doesn’t work, yell at him to stop…If that doesn’t work and you’re bigger than him, push him back. If you’re smaller than him, and he doesn’t stop go find a teacher.” Anything wrong with that? I understand girls might be wired differently, but certainly don’t want my kid growing up with a wussie mentality.[/quote]

It’s consistent with what I see.

Reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode. George and Jerry are remembering a bully from school – they ask Elaine if she ever dealt with bullies… she replies that girls didn’t act that way – if they didn’t like another girl they’d harrass them till they developed an eating disorder.

It was funny because it rang true.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]Speaking of kids, sort of hijack. I have a question for parents. Maybe it’s just me, I notice one difference between girls and boys growing up.

See, what I’m seeing is that if boys don’t like each other, they get kinda physical and start pushing each other around or hitting each other. When girls (inclusive of my kid) don’t like each other, they start saying stuff like “I’m not going to be your friend/we’re not going to talk to you.”… Is that consistent with what other parents see?

Second, whenever boys starts pushing my daughter around, she always asks tell me “XYZ pushed me around”. My response has been, “tell me when you get home….Tell him stop. If that doesn’t work, yell at him to stop…If that doesn’t work and you’re bigger than him, push him back. If you’re smaller than him, and he doesn’t stop go find a teacher.” Anything wrong with that? I understand girls might be wired differently, but certainly don’t want my kid growing up with a wussie mentality.[/quote]

It’s consistent with what I see.

Reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode. George and Jerry are remembering a bully from school – they ask Elaine if she ever dealt with bullies… she replies that girls didn’t act that way – if they didn’t like another girl they’d harrass them till they developed an eating disorder.

It was funny because it rang true.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]Speaking of kids, sort of hijack. I have a question for parents. Maybe it’s just me, I notice one difference between girls and boys growing up.

See, what I’m seeing is that if boys don’t like each other, they get kinda physical and start pushing each other around or hitting each other. When girls (inclusive of my kid) don’t like each other, they start saying stuff like “I’m not going to be your friend/we’re not going to talk to you.”… Is that consistent with what other parents see?

Second, whenever boys starts pushing my daughter around, she always asks tell me “XYZ pushed me around”. My response has been, “tell me when you get home….Tell him stop. If that doesn’t work, yell at him to stop…If that doesn’t work and you’re bigger than him, push him back. If you’re smaller than him, and he doesn’t stop go find a teacher.” Anything wrong with that? I understand girls might be wired differently, but certainly don’t want my kid growing up with a wussie mentality.[/quote]

It’s consistent with what I see.

Reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode. George and Jerry are remembering a bully from school – they ask Elaine if she ever dealt with bullies… she replies that girls didn’t act that way – if they didn’t like another girl they’d harrass them till they developed an eating disorder.

It was funny because it rang true.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]Speaking of kids, sort of hijack. I have a question for parents. Maybe it’s just me, I notice one difference between girls and boys growing up.

See, what I’m seeing is that if boys don’t like each other, they get kinda physical and start pushing each other around or hitting each other. When girls (inclusive of my kid) don’t like each other, they start saying stuff like “I’m not going to be your friend/we’re not going to talk to you.”… Is that consistent with what other parents see?

Second, whenever boys starts pushing my daughter around, she always asks tell me “XYZ pushed me around”. My response has been, “tell me when you get home….Tell him stop. If that doesn’t work, yell at him to stop…If that doesn’t work and you’re bigger than him, push him back. If you’re smaller than him, and he doesn’t stop go find a teacher.” Anything wrong with that? I understand girls might be wired differently, but certainly don’t want my kid growing up with a wussie mentality.[/quote]

It’s consistent with what I see.

Reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode. George and Jerry are remembering a bully from school – they ask Elaine if she ever dealt with bullies… she replies that girls didn’t act that way – if they didn’t like another girl they’d harrass them till they developed an eating disorder.

It was funny because it rang true.

[UCGal]

[quote=flu]Speaking of kids, sort of hijack. I have a question for parents. Maybe it’s just me, I notice one difference between girls and boys growing up.

See, what I’m seeing is that if boys don’t like each other, they get kinda physical and start pushing each other around or hitting each other. When girls (inclusive of my kid) don’t like each other, they start saying stuff like “I’m not going to be your friend/we’re not going to talk to you.”… Is that consistent with what other parents see?

Second, whenever boys starts pushing my daughter around, she always asks tell me “XYZ pushed me around”. My response has been, “tell me when you get home….Tell him stop. If that doesn’t work, yell at him to stop…If that doesn’t work and you’re bigger than him, push him back. If you’re smaller than him, and he doesn’t stop go find a teacher.” Anything wrong with that? I understand girls might be wired differently, but certainly don’t want my kid growing up with a wussie mentality.[/quote]

It’s consistent with what I see.

Reminds me of an old Seinfeld episode. George and Jerry are remembering a bully from school – they ask Elaine if she ever dealt with bullies… she replies that girls didn’t act that way – if they didn’t like another girl they’d harrass them till they developed an eating disorder.

It was funny because it rang true.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.[/quote]

I am not condemning involvement in the stuff. You are probably right given the way you are going about it. I am sure my post comes acrossed badly, but it is also based on much more than one case study. You are right that the kids/guys who end up cruising the school yard and intimidating or trying to, are not representative of everyone. A lot of the little ones do practice outside of the normal venues and it is a pita. they do it a lot on the playground. I think it is the parent’s fault when this happens.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.[/quote]

I am not condemning involvement in the stuff. You are probably right given the way you are going about it. I am sure my post comes acrossed badly, but it is also based on much more than one case study. You are right that the kids/guys who end up cruising the school yard and intimidating or trying to, are not representative of everyone. A lot of the little ones do practice outside of the normal venues and it is a pita. they do it a lot on the playground. I think it is the parent’s fault when this happens.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.[/quote]

I am not condemning involvement in the stuff. You are probably right given the way you are going about it. I am sure my post comes acrossed badly, but it is also based on much more than one case study. You are right that the kids/guys who end up cruising the school yard and intimidating or trying to, are not representative of everyone. A lot of the little ones do practice outside of the normal venues and it is a pita. they do it a lot on the playground. I think it is the parent’s fault when this happens.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.[/quote]

I am not condemning involvement in the stuff. You are probably right given the way you are going about it. I am sure my post comes acrossed badly, but it is also based on much more than one case study. You are right that the kids/guys who end up cruising the school yard and intimidating or trying to, are not representative of everyone. A lot of the little ones do practice outside of the normal venues and it is a pita. they do it a lot on the playground. I think it is the parent’s fault when this happens.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SD Realtor]Russel have you been to any of the classes at ATA? If you read my post the classes are much more about learning important values and traits and much less about learning martial arts, especially for 3, 4 and 5 year olds. Similarly bullies and karate have nothing to do with each other. You may have run across a bully who knew karate but most bullies are bullies regardless of what they do or do not know. I would venture that the kid would be a bully whether he knew it or not. More then likely they didn’t learn about other tenets associated with martial arts that have nothing to do with the physical nature at all.

We went to a few different schools before picking the one we picked. Easy to criticize if you have seen a case of a bully kid at school doing that. I would venture to say if you had been to a few classes you would find it intructive and beneficial to any young child.[/quote]

I am not condemning involvement in the stuff. You are probably right given the way you are going about it. I am sure my post comes acrossed badly, but it is also based on much more than one case study. You are right that the kids/guys who end up cruising the school yard and intimidating or trying to, are not representative of everyone. A lot of the little ones do practice outside of the normal venues and it is a pita. they do it a lot on the playground. I think it is the parent’s fault when this happens.

[edna_mode]

I’m one of those girls who practiced tae kwon do as a kid, and then migrated to aikido in my adulthood. I was one of the few girls who stuck for longer than a few months, and I vividly remember one girl who was using the testosterone imbalance to her advantage, practicing her flirting skills more than her punches. Needless to say, I would pound her whenever we sparred.

It was good preparation for going into male-dominated professions. However, I will also say that the same behavior (extremely decisive attitude, ability to think and articulate clearly and independently) gets interpreted very differently when exhibited by boys vs. girls. I try to steer towards environments where these qualities are appreciated in men and women. But there are still a lot of regressive enclaves (and you have to suss out certain personalities, even in the better places) where the ability to couch these strengths in diplomacy, request language vs. demands, willingness to convince others slowly rather than lay out all the logic and expect others to capitulate their clearly less defensible position…well, let’s just say that learning *persuasion* by means other than strict force or logic is one of the reasons I switched martial arts.

[edna_mode]

I’m one of those girls who practiced tae kwon do as a kid, and then migrated to aikido in my adulthood. I was one of the few girls who stuck for longer than a few months, and I vividly remember one girl who was using the testosterone imbalance to her advantage, practicing her flirting skills more than her punches. Needless to say, I would pound her whenever we sparred.

It was good preparation for going into male-dominated professions. However, I will also say that the same behavior (extremely decisive attitude, ability to think and articulate clearly and independently) gets interpreted very differently when exhibited by boys vs. girls. I try to steer towards environments where these qualities are appreciated in men and women. But there are still a lot of regressive enclaves (and you have to suss out certain personalities, even in the better places) where the ability to couch these strengths in diplomacy, request language vs. demands, willingness to convince others slowly rather than lay out all the logic and expect others to capitulate their clearly less defensible position…well, let’s just say that learning *persuasion* by means other than strict force or logic is one of the reasons I switched martial arts.

[edna_mode]

I’m one of those girls who practiced tae kwon do as a kid, and then migrated to aikido in my adulthood. I was one of the few girls who stuck for longer than a few months, and I vividly remember one girl who was using the testosterone imbalance to her advantage, practicing her flirting skills more than her punches. Needless to say, I would pound her whenever we sparred.

It was good preparation for going into male-dominated professions. However, I will also say that the same behavior (extremely decisive attitude, ability to think and articulate clearly and independently) gets interpreted very differently when exhibited by boys vs. girls. I try to steer towards environments where these qualities are appreciated in men and women. But there are still a lot of regressive enclaves (and you have to suss out certain personalities, even in the better places) where the ability to couch these strengths in diplomacy, request language vs. demands, willingness to convince others slowly rather than lay out all the logic and expect others to capitulate their clearly less defensible position…well, let’s just say that learning *persuasion* by means other than strict force or logic is one of the reasons I switched martial arts.

[edna_mode]

I’m one of those girls who practiced tae kwon do as a kid, and then migrated to aikido in my adulthood. I was one of the few girls who stuck for longer than a few months, and I vividly remember one girl who was using the testosterone imbalance to her advantage, practicing her flirting skills more than her punches. Needless to say, I would pound her whenever we sparred.

It was good preparation for going into male-dominated professions. However, I will also say that the same behavior (extremely decisive attitude, ability to think and articulate clearly and independently) gets interpreted very differently when exhibited by boys vs. girls. I try to steer towards environments where these qualities are appreciated in men and women. But there are still a lot of regressive enclaves (and you have to suss out certain personalities, even in the better places) where the ability to couch these strengths in diplomacy, request language vs. demands, willingness to convince others slowly rather than lay out all the logic and expect others to capitulate their clearly less defensible position…well, let’s just say that learning *persuasion* by means other than strict force or logic is one of the reasons I switched martial arts.

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