OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[Aecetia]

Some people can’t handle the truth!

[UCGal]

What amazes me is if the roles were reversed – if the Dems had filibustered, blocked an up/down vote, on a defense spending bill they’d be vilified as soft on terror, mean to the troops, not serious about defense.

I don’t see any discussion of this when the shoe’s on the other foot. The GOP voted against cloture on a defense spending bill. They voted against funding the troops. Yet there is no suggestion that they don’t support the troops, national defense, the two wars, etc…

As far as DADT – it sounds like that will be settled in the court long before congress acts. A federal judge ruled a few weeks ago that DADT violates free speech and due process.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/10/ask-and-tell-court-strikes-down-military-policy-on-gays/

If the Obama administration chooses NOT to appeal the decision – DADT might very well be dead.

[UCGal]

What amazes me is if the roles were reversed – if the Dems had filibustered, blocked an up/down vote, on a defense spending bill they’d be vilified as soft on terror, mean to the troops, not serious about defense.

I don’t see any discussion of this when the shoe’s on the other foot. The GOP voted against cloture on a defense spending bill. They voted against funding the troops. Yet there is no suggestion that they don’t support the troops, national defense, the two wars, etc…

As far as DADT – it sounds like that will be settled in the court long before congress acts. A federal judge ruled a few weeks ago that DADT violates free speech and due process.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/10/ask-and-tell-court-strikes-down-military-policy-on-gays/

If the Obama administration chooses NOT to appeal the decision – DADT might very well be dead.

[UCGal]

What amazes me is if the roles were reversed – if the Dems had filibustered, blocked an up/down vote, on a defense spending bill they’d be vilified as soft on terror, mean to the troops, not serious about defense.

I don’t see any discussion of this when the shoe’s on the other foot. The GOP voted against cloture on a defense spending bill. They voted against funding the troops. Yet there is no suggestion that they don’t support the troops, national defense, the two wars, etc…

As far as DADT – it sounds like that will be settled in the court long before congress acts. A federal judge ruled a few weeks ago that DADT violates free speech and due process.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/10/ask-and-tell-court-strikes-down-military-policy-on-gays/

If the Obama administration chooses NOT to appeal the decision – DADT might very well be dead.

[UCGal]

What amazes me is if the roles were reversed – if the Dems had filibustered, blocked an up/down vote, on a defense spending bill they’d be vilified as soft on terror, mean to the troops, not serious about defense.

I don’t see any discussion of this when the shoe’s on the other foot. The GOP voted against cloture on a defense spending bill. They voted against funding the troops. Yet there is no suggestion that they don’t support the troops, national defense, the two wars, etc…

As far as DADT – it sounds like that will be settled in the court long before congress acts. A federal judge ruled a few weeks ago that DADT violates free speech and due process.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/10/ask-and-tell-court-strikes-down-military-policy-on-gays/

If the Obama administration chooses NOT to appeal the decision – DADT might very well be dead.

[UCGal]

What amazes me is if the roles were reversed – if the Dems had filibustered, blocked an up/down vote, on a defense spending bill they’d be vilified as soft on terror, mean to the troops, not serious about defense.

I don’t see any discussion of this when the shoe’s on the other foot. The GOP voted against cloture on a defense spending bill. They voted against funding the troops. Yet there is no suggestion that they don’t support the troops, national defense, the two wars, etc…

As far as DADT – it sounds like that will be settled in the court long before congress acts. A federal judge ruled a few weeks ago that DADT violates free speech and due process.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/10/ask-and-tell-court-strikes-down-military-policy-on-gays/

If the Obama administration chooses NOT to appeal the decision – DADT might very well be dead.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]

I don’t need to peruse those forums.

I have a Chinese friend who went to a top university and graduated with an MBA 10 years ago.

From her, I hear the trial and tribulations of H1B holders. My friend now has advance parole and is able to travel whereas before she could not leave the country.

For some time, she was laid-off and had to temporarily change back to graduate student status. On the advice of her lawyer, she did not collect unemployment benefits during that period although she was entitled to it (as this could compromise her grad student status).

She’s still waiting for her green-card. And she’s pissed off about all the hoops she had to jump through, not to mention having to pay attorneys’ fees.
[/quote]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application.

Assuming the story is true your opinion is based
on one exceptional case.

[quote=briansd1]
This woman is smart and hard-driving. She has no compassion for Latino immigrants whom she calls lazy, dirty and undeserving.
[/quote]

Nice friends you have.

[quote=briansd1]
But you know what? She has a good job, a good salary, a nice place to live, and eventually she’ll get her green card.
[/quote]
She might. Or she may lose her job for real and be forced to leave the country. There is no extension for selling property, completing school year, completing medical treatment, etc…

[quote=briansd1]
Unauthorized immigrants who live in the shadows have none of that. I tell my friend that a little compassion would do her some good.
[/quote]

It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her.

The definition and the appropriate level of compassion is personal thing. She might find the ease with which you like to share what is not yours distasteful and yet you both could be right at the same time.

[quote=briansd1]
The difference between Americans and others is that we have compassion.[/quote]

Does that apply to naturalized Americans as well? Is that genetics or learned behavior?

[all]

[quote=briansd1]

I don’t need to peruse those forums.

I have a Chinese friend who went to a top university and graduated with an MBA 10 years ago.

From her, I hear the trial and tribulations of H1B holders. My friend now has advance parole and is able to travel whereas before she could not leave the country.

For some time, she was laid-off and had to temporarily change back to graduate student status. On the advice of her lawyer, she did not collect unemployment benefits during that period although she was entitled to it (as this could compromise her grad student status).

She’s still waiting for her green-card. And she’s pissed off about all the hoops she had to jump through, not to mention having to pay attorneys’ fees.
[/quote]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application.

Assuming the story is true your opinion is based
on one exceptional case.

[quote=briansd1]
This woman is smart and hard-driving. She has no compassion for Latino immigrants whom she calls lazy, dirty and undeserving.
[/quote]

Nice friends you have.

[quote=briansd1]
But you know what? She has a good job, a good salary, a nice place to live, and eventually she’ll get her green card.
[/quote]
She might. Or she may lose her job for real and be forced to leave the country. There is no extension for selling property, completing school year, completing medical treatment, etc…

[quote=briansd1]
Unauthorized immigrants who live in the shadows have none of that. I tell my friend that a little compassion would do her some good.
[/quote]

It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her.

The definition and the appropriate level of compassion is personal thing. She might find the ease with which you like to share what is not yours distasteful and yet you both could be right at the same time.

[quote=briansd1]
The difference between Americans and others is that we have compassion.[/quote]

Does that apply to naturalized Americans as well? Is that genetics or learned behavior?

[all]

[quote=briansd1]

I don’t need to peruse those forums.

I have a Chinese friend who went to a top university and graduated with an MBA 10 years ago.

From her, I hear the trial and tribulations of H1B holders. My friend now has advance parole and is able to travel whereas before she could not leave the country.

For some time, she was laid-off and had to temporarily change back to graduate student status. On the advice of her lawyer, she did not collect unemployment benefits during that period although she was entitled to it (as this could compromise her grad student status).

She’s still waiting for her green-card. And she’s pissed off about all the hoops she had to jump through, not to mention having to pay attorneys’ fees.
[/quote]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application.

Assuming the story is true your opinion is based
on one exceptional case.

[quote=briansd1]
This woman is smart and hard-driving. She has no compassion for Latino immigrants whom she calls lazy, dirty and undeserving.
[/quote]

Nice friends you have.

[quote=briansd1]
But you know what? She has a good job, a good salary, a nice place to live, and eventually she’ll get her green card.
[/quote]
She might. Or she may lose her job for real and be forced to leave the country. There is no extension for selling property, completing school year, completing medical treatment, etc…

[quote=briansd1]
Unauthorized immigrants who live in the shadows have none of that. I tell my friend that a little compassion would do her some good.
[/quote]

It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her.

The definition and the appropriate level of compassion is personal thing. She might find the ease with which you like to share what is not yours distasteful and yet you both could be right at the same time.

[quote=briansd1]
The difference between Americans and others is that we have compassion.[/quote]

Does that apply to naturalized Americans as well? Is that genetics or learned behavior?

[all]

[quote=briansd1]

I don’t need to peruse those forums.

I have a Chinese friend who went to a top university and graduated with an MBA 10 years ago.

From her, I hear the trial and tribulations of H1B holders. My friend now has advance parole and is able to travel whereas before she could not leave the country.

For some time, she was laid-off and had to temporarily change back to graduate student status. On the advice of her lawyer, she did not collect unemployment benefits during that period although she was entitled to it (as this could compromise her grad student status).

She’s still waiting for her green-card. And she’s pissed off about all the hoops she had to jump through, not to mention having to pay attorneys’ fees.
[/quote]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application.

Assuming the story is true your opinion is based
on one exceptional case.

[quote=briansd1]
This woman is smart and hard-driving. She has no compassion for Latino immigrants whom she calls lazy, dirty and undeserving.
[/quote]

Nice friends you have.

[quote=briansd1]
But you know what? She has a good job, a good salary, a nice place to live, and eventually she’ll get her green card.
[/quote]
She might. Or she may lose her job for real and be forced to leave the country. There is no extension for selling property, completing school year, completing medical treatment, etc…

[quote=briansd1]
Unauthorized immigrants who live in the shadows have none of that. I tell my friend that a little compassion would do her some good.
[/quote]

It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her.

The definition and the appropriate level of compassion is personal thing. She might find the ease with which you like to share what is not yours distasteful and yet you both could be right at the same time.

[quote=briansd1]
The difference between Americans and others is that we have compassion.[/quote]

Does that apply to naturalized Americans as well? Is that genetics or learned behavior?

[all]

[quote=briansd1]

I don’t need to peruse those forums.

I have a Chinese friend who went to a top university and graduated with an MBA 10 years ago.

From her, I hear the trial and tribulations of H1B holders. My friend now has advance parole and is able to travel whereas before she could not leave the country.

For some time, she was laid-off and had to temporarily change back to graduate student status. On the advice of her lawyer, she did not collect unemployment benefits during that period although she was entitled to it (as this could compromise her grad student status).

She’s still waiting for her green-card. And she’s pissed off about all the hoops she had to jump through, not to mention having to pay attorneys’ fees.
[/quote]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application.

Assuming the story is true your opinion is based
on one exceptional case.

[quote=briansd1]
This woman is smart and hard-driving. She has no compassion for Latino immigrants whom she calls lazy, dirty and undeserving.
[/quote]

Nice friends you have.

[quote=briansd1]
But you know what? She has a good job, a good salary, a nice place to live, and eventually she’ll get her green card.
[/quote]
She might. Or she may lose her job for real and be forced to leave the country. There is no extension for selling property, completing school year, completing medical treatment, etc…

[quote=briansd1]
Unauthorized immigrants who live in the shadows have none of that. I tell my friend that a little compassion would do her some good.
[/quote]

It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her.

The definition and the appropriate level of compassion is personal thing. She might find the ease with which you like to share what is not yours distasteful and yet you both could be right at the same time.

[quote=briansd1]
The difference between Americans and others is that we have compassion.[/quote]

Does that apply to naturalized Americans as well? Is that genetics or learned behavior?

[briansd1]

[quote=captcha]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application. [/quote]

She already had advance parole and her GC application was nearly complete when she was laid off 2 years ago. Her employer was actually nice enough do what was necessary for the paperwork to move along. She’s now waiting for her GC.

She technically could have applied for unemployment benefits since UI taxes were paid on her salary. But her lawyer advised her against it.

She has since found a new job.

[quote=captcha]

Nice friends you have.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised what friends will tell when there’s a certain comfort level.

[quote=captcha]
It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her. [/quote]

Perhaps… but her anger at unauthorized immigrants is unwarranted and misdirected. They didn’t do anything to her and the possibility of them obtaining legal status has no bearing on her prospects for a Green Card.

Live and let live.

[briansd1]

[quote=captcha]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application. [/quote]

She already had advance parole and her GC application was nearly complete when she was laid off 2 years ago. Her employer was actually nice enough do what was necessary for the paperwork to move along. She’s now waiting for her GC.

She technically could have applied for unemployment benefits since UI taxes were paid on her salary. But her lawyer advised her against it.

She has since found a new job.

[quote=captcha]

Nice friends you have.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised what friends will tell when there’s a certain comfort level.

[quote=captcha]
It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her. [/quote]

Perhaps… but her anger at unauthorized immigrants is unwarranted and misdirected. They didn’t do anything to her and the possibility of them obtaining legal status has no bearing on her prospects for a Green Card.

Live and let live.

[briansd1]

[quote=captcha]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application. [/quote]

She already had advance parole and her GC application was nearly complete when she was laid off 2 years ago. Her employer was actually nice enough do what was necessary for the paperwork to move along. She’s now waiting for her GC.

She technically could have applied for unemployment benefits since UI taxes were paid on her salary. But her lawyer advised her against it.

She has since found a new job.

[quote=captcha]

Nice friends you have.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised what friends will tell when there’s a certain comfort level.

[quote=captcha]
It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her. [/quote]

Perhaps… but her anger at unauthorized immigrants is unwarranted and misdirected. They didn’t do anything to her and the possibility of them obtaining legal status has no bearing on her prospects for a Green Card.

Live and let live.

[briansd1]

[quote=captcha]

The story is missing something. Laid off H1B is not entitled to unemployment. You cannot casually jump in and out of H1B status. In most cases losing H1B status leads to cancellation of the GC application. [/quote]

She already had advance parole and her GC application was nearly complete when she was laid off 2 years ago. Her employer was actually nice enough do what was necessary for the paperwork to move along. She’s now waiting for her GC.

She technically could have applied for unemployment benefits since UI taxes were paid on her salary. But her lawyer advised her against it.

She has since found a new job.

[quote=captcha]

Nice friends you have.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised what friends will tell when there’s a certain comfort level.

[quote=captcha]
It might be hard for your friend to have more compassion for people who are in this county illegally while things that you take for granted are out of the reach for her. [/quote]

Perhaps… but her anger at unauthorized immigrants is unwarranted and misdirected. They didn’t do anything to her and the possibility of them obtaining legal status has no bearing on her prospects for a Green Card.

Live and let live.

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