OT: Gay Marriage

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CA renter]

Both.

IMHO, Russel’s point is exactly on target.

It’s not about loving or hating gay people. It’s about segregating people by sexual preference. I’m pretty sure males and females are kept in separate quarters for this very reason, and can understand why some men and women would feel uncomfortable living in intimate quarters with people who might have a sexual interest in them (and where they really don’t want to reciprocate).[/quote]
I agree that its not about loving or hating anyone.

However, I think the comfortability factor should not play a bigger policy part in military life than it does in regular life.
You share bathrooms now with homos.
You have gay waiters and doctors.
Like half of your kids’ teachers are gay.
Gender segregation is easy because respective genders look and act comparatively differently from one another.
Women generally are of a physically smaller stature and generally have higher voices.
Those are some of their defining characteristics.
The only thing that defines homos is the sentiment of sexual preference.
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.

[briansd1]

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.[/quote]

Well said, urbanrealtor

What is it with people who think others want them when there’s not even a tiny bit of interest?

I live downtown and sometimes when walking on the streets, women would give me that worried look when I walk near them. Like what? I’m going to rape them? What makes them think they are so attractive?

Straights are only attracted to some people (not everyone) the opposite sex; and gays are only attracted to some people their own sex.

My own experience is that attraction is very targeted, not broad.

But, anyway, thinking that someone is attractive is a compliment, not a threat. I’m happy when anyone thinks of me that way, even when I don’t reciprocate the feeling.

[briansd1]

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.[/quote]

Well said, urbanrealtor

What is it with people who think others want them when there’s not even a tiny bit of interest?

I live downtown and sometimes when walking on the streets, women would give me that worried look when I walk near them. Like what? I’m going to rape them? What makes them think they are so attractive?

Straights are only attracted to some people (not everyone) the opposite sex; and gays are only attracted to some people their own sex.

My own experience is that attraction is very targeted, not broad.

But, anyway, thinking that someone is attractive is a compliment, not a threat. I’m happy when anyone thinks of me that way, even when I don’t reciprocate the feeling.

[briansd1]

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.[/quote]

Well said, urbanrealtor

What is it with people who think others want them when there’s not even a tiny bit of interest?

I live downtown and sometimes when walking on the streets, women would give me that worried look when I walk near them. Like what? I’m going to rape them? What makes them think they are so attractive?

Straights are only attracted to some people (not everyone) the opposite sex; and gays are only attracted to some people their own sex.

My own experience is that attraction is very targeted, not broad.

But, anyway, thinking that someone is attractive is a compliment, not a threat. I’m happy when anyone thinks of me that way, even when I don’t reciprocate the feeling.

[briansd1]

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.[/quote]

Well said, urbanrealtor

What is it with people who think others want them when there’s not even a tiny bit of interest?

I live downtown and sometimes when walking on the streets, women would give me that worried look when I walk near them. Like what? I’m going to rape them? What makes them think they are so attractive?

Straights are only attracted to some people (not everyone) the opposite sex; and gays are only attracted to some people their own sex.

My own experience is that attraction is very targeted, not broad.

But, anyway, thinking that someone is attractive is a compliment, not a threat. I’m happy when anyone thinks of me that way, even when I don’t reciprocate the feeling.

[briansd1]

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Segregation based on any preference or sentiment (other than loyalty) is foolish.
You are basically arguing for separation based on the possibility that some soldiers will be afraid that someone will think something about them (that they are attractive) that they don’t like.
The absurdity of catering to that particular sensitivity is part of the reason that the Israeli army doesn’t.
While I am not a fan of Israeli policies, it can’t be argued that they suck at defense generally or unit cohesion in particular.[/quote]

Well said, urbanrealtor

What is it with people who think others want them when there’s not even a tiny bit of interest?

I live downtown and sometimes when walking on the streets, women would give me that worried look when I walk near them. Like what? I’m going to rape them? What makes them think they are so attractive?

Straights are only attracted to some people (not everyone) the opposite sex; and gays are only attracted to some people their own sex.

My own experience is that attraction is very targeted, not broad.

But, anyway, thinking that someone is attractive is a compliment, not a threat. I’m happy when anyone thinks of me that way, even when I don’t reciprocate the feeling.

[Oni Koroshi]

I have a dog and I feel that the fact that other people have cats that they consider to be pets diminishes the relationship I have with my dog.

[Oni Koroshi]

I have a dog and I feel that the fact that other people have cats that they consider to be pets diminishes the relationship I have with my dog.

[Oni Koroshi]

I have a dog and I feel that the fact that other people have cats that they consider to be pets diminishes the relationship I have with my dog.

[Oni Koroshi]

I have a dog and I feel that the fact that other people have cats that they consider to be pets diminishes the relationship I have with my dog.

[Oni Koroshi]

I have a dog and I feel that the fact that other people have cats that they consider to be pets diminishes the relationship I have with my dog.

[NotCranky]

On the one hand you have the judgement call on what is sensitive and what is not, from a super gay friendly Hillcrest Realtor….and brian1. I guess you have some wimps who for no good reason can’t handle admiration from a man. On the other hand you might have a 18 year old boy just out of school who was molested by a man in his youth having to share a room and communal bathing facilities with people who are openly interested in provoked by men. Again, we know there are women who would not enjoy a similar circumstance and no respectable person or institution would think about ignoring it. This is not my story and I am not equating gay paedophiles with decent homosexuals. I think you have both extremes and everything in between interms of ease of dis-ease amongst the straight population, and amongst those great gays you certainly have some sickos… so who is being insensitive?

I don’t know what the most constructive policy would be. I dislike the potential for dishonorable discharge and any accompanying scandalous treatment to good people. I was in the military in 1980-86. I guess it was unofficially don’t ask don’t tell. That seemed pretty functional considering quarters were being shared. If someone got caught masturbating with a blue boy magazine or couldn’t help but grope someone, or demand they be made queen of the unit, there could be trouble to varying degrees. Young enlistees could get used to a mixed orientation enviornment slowly and while some gays might have felt oppressed they didn’t have it worse than other people in general(my perspective of course).

[NotCranky]

On the one hand you have the judgement call on what is sensitive and what is not, from a super gay friendly Hillcrest Realtor….and brian1. I guess you have some wimps who for no good reason can’t handle admiration from a man. On the other hand you might have a 18 year old boy just out of school who was molested by a man in his youth having to share a room and communal bathing facilities with people who are openly interested in provoked by men. Again, we know there are women who would not enjoy a similar circumstance and no respectable person or institution would think about ignoring it. This is not my story and I am not equating gay paedophiles with decent homosexuals. I think you have both extremes and everything in between interms of ease of dis-ease amongst the straight population, and amongst those great gays you certainly have some sickos… so who is being insensitive?

I don’t know what the most constructive policy would be. I dislike the potential for dishonorable discharge and any accompanying scandalous treatment to good people. I was in the military in 1980-86. I guess it was unofficially don’t ask don’t tell. That seemed pretty functional considering quarters were being shared. If someone got caught masturbating with a blue boy magazine or couldn’t help but grope someone, or demand they be made queen of the unit, there could be trouble to varying degrees. Young enlistees could get used to a mixed orientation enviornment slowly and while some gays might have felt oppressed they didn’t have it worse than other people in general(my perspective of course).

[NotCranky]

On the one hand you have the judgement call on what is sensitive and what is not, from a super gay friendly Hillcrest Realtor….and brian1. I guess you have some wimps who for no good reason can’t handle admiration from a man. On the other hand you might have a 18 year old boy just out of school who was molested by a man in his youth having to share a room and communal bathing facilities with people who are openly interested in provoked by men. Again, we know there are women who would not enjoy a similar circumstance and no respectable person or institution would think about ignoring it. This is not my story and I am not equating gay paedophiles with decent homosexuals. I think you have both extremes and everything in between interms of ease of dis-ease amongst the straight population, and amongst those great gays you certainly have some sickos… so who is being insensitive?

I don’t know what the most constructive policy would be. I dislike the potential for dishonorable discharge and any accompanying scandalous treatment to good people. I was in the military in 1980-86. I guess it was unofficially don’t ask don’t tell. That seemed pretty functional considering quarters were being shared. If someone got caught masturbating with a blue boy magazine or couldn’t help but grope someone, or demand they be made queen of the unit, there could be trouble to varying degrees. Young enlistees could get used to a mixed orientation enviornment slowly and while some gays might have felt oppressed they didn’t have it worse than other people in general(my perspective of course).

[NotCranky]

On the one hand you have the judgement call on what is sensitive and what is not, from a super gay friendly Hillcrest Realtor….and brian1. I guess you have some wimps who for no good reason can’t handle admiration from a man. On the other hand you might have a 18 year old boy just out of school who was molested by a man in his youth having to share a room and communal bathing facilities with people who are openly interested in provoked by men. Again, we know there are women who would not enjoy a similar circumstance and no respectable person or institution would think about ignoring it. This is not my story and I am not equating gay paedophiles with decent homosexuals. I think you have both extremes and everything in between interms of ease of dis-ease amongst the straight population, and amongst those great gays you certainly have some sickos… so who is being insensitive?

I don’t know what the most constructive policy would be. I dislike the potential for dishonorable discharge and any accompanying scandalous treatment to good people. I was in the military in 1980-86. I guess it was unofficially don’t ask don’t tell. That seemed pretty functional considering quarters were being shared. If someone got caught masturbating with a blue boy magazine or couldn’t help but grope someone, or demand they be made queen of the unit, there could be trouble to varying degrees. Young enlistees could get used to a mixed orientation enviornment slowly and while some gays might have felt oppressed they didn’t have it worse than other people in general(my perspective of course).

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