OT: Battle Ground Zero: Murrieta: Invasion of America

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=deadzone]I think the point of Josh’s frustration (and most of our frustration on this issue) is the contradictions in our immigration policies and enforcement.

It is well known fact that we have millions of illegal immigrants living here, working here, going to school, driving cars, etc. and doing so in virtual peace with no worries about law enforcement at any level threatening them.

Meanwhile, for the rest of the world that doesn’t illegally enter our borders, it can be very difficult just to obtain a tourist visa to enter the U.S., even though in most cases these people don’t intend to illegally live and work in the U.S, instead they want to come here and spend money.[/quote]

The 2 issues are not even related.

Travelers from developed countries such as the EU, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, etc… benefit from visa waivers. They can come to USA anytime they like.

People from poorer countries do need visas. They just need to make a good case they can afford the trip, have a job and strong ties at home, and are not a risk of overstaying.

If they are young and have young friends in USA, the consular officer examines the applications closer, on a case by case basis, and evaluate the risk of overstay.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]I think the point of Josh’s frustration (and most of our frustration on this issue) is the contradictions in our immigration policies and enforcement.

It is well known fact that we have millions of illegal immigrants living here, working here, going to school, driving cars, etc. and doing so in virtual peace with no worries about law enforcement at any level threatening them.

Meanwhile, for the rest of the world that doesn’t illegally enter our borders, it can be very difficult just to obtain a tourist visa to enter the U.S., even though in most cases these people don’t intend to illegally live and work in the U.S, instead they want to come here and spend money.[/quote]

The 2 issues are not even related.

Travelers from developed countries such as the EU, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, etc… benefit from visa waivers. They can come to USA anytime they like.

People from poorer countries do need visas. They just need to make a good case they can afford the trip, have a job and strong ties at home, and are not a risk of overstaying.

If they are young and have young friends in USA, the consular officer examines the applications closer, on a case by case basis, and evaluate the risk of overstay.[/quote]

You are blind if you don’t see the contradiction.

On the one hand, U.S. has very strict policy towards granting tourist Visas for much of the world. The granting of visas as you describe is very subjective and many legitimate travelers who have jobs, money, etc in their home country and have no plans to “immigrate to the U.S.” are denied Visas based on the whims of an immigration officer. On the other hand, for anybody who successfully “sneaks” across the border, U.S. law enforcement does nothing about it.

[FlyerInHi]

Doing something about both those things that you’re upset about requires more resources. It’s not like is neglecting any one problem.

But yeah we could use more tourists visiting our shores. Compared to other countries, we do a very poor job at promoting our tourism industry.

[Anonymous]

Point is, if we are not going to enforce our immigration laws, then might as well let anybody come visit.

Who says we don’t have resources to enforce immigration law? Our government has virtually unlimited budget due to their defecit spending policy. They just choose not to spend money on this issue.

[jeff303]

So do you just not believe the data that shows the deportation rate is at an all-time high, or what?

[Anonymous]

[quote=jeff303]So do you just not believe the data that shows the deportation rate is at an all-time high, or what?[/quote]

First of all, it is not about deportatations. Statistically the deportations are a needle in a haystack. The more effective way is by enforcing workplace laws. If the illegals can’t find work and they are not given goverment assistance, most will go home voluntarily.

Deportations don’t provde any long term fix. If the illegals know they can make money here, they will just come back.

[paramount]

Bottomline IMO: This immigration invasion has all the hallmarks of an instigated and engineered crisis.

Texas and Arizona should call out the national guard to protect the border along their states.

[paramount]

[quote=svelte]

[quote=paramount]
As far as being a nation of immigrants, to an extent that’s true but I would guess that most in the US are not immigrants.
[/quote]

Well unless you’re American Indian and if you went back enough generations even then…[/quote]

wrong, wrong, wrong…

Definition of immigrant:

a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

Sorry, I along with most American’s were born in America.

I’m not an immigrant, period.

[paramount]

[quote=deadzone]
Since you are such an expert, why don’t you give some examples of the entitlements that draw illegal immigrants to the U.S.?[/quote]

I’m not an expert, but i did research the issue for facts and figures.

Here’s a partial list:

Medical
Schools
Housing Assistance (sect 8, public housing, etc…)
SNAP (food stamps)
School Lunch
WIC
nrg assistance (and yes, I verified this…)
Legal Assistance
Cash Welfare

[SK in CV]

[quote=paramount]Bottomline IMO: This immigration invasion has all the hallmarks of an instigated and engineered crisis.

Texas and Arizona should call out the national guard to protect the border along their states.[/quote]

What exactly would you suggest that the national guard do? Escort these minors to Murrieta? You know they’re not sneaking across the border, right?

[Anonymous]

[quote=paramount][quote=deadzone]
Since you are such an expert, why don’t you give some examples of the entitlements that draw illegal immigrants to the U.S.?[/quote]

I’m not an expert, but i did research the issue for facts and figures.

Here’s a partial list:

Medical
Schools
Housing Assistance (sect 8, public housing, etc…)
SNAP (food stamps)
School Lunch
WIC
nrg assistance (and yes, I verified this…)
Legal Assistance
Cash Welfare[/quote]

Well some of those entitlements they can only get due to having U.S. born children (abolish birth right citizenship!). But the argument wasn’t that illegals are or are not getting benefits, it is whether that is why they come to the U.S. The main reason clearly is jobs, take that away and problem is contained. None of the supposed entitlements on your list would make someone want to leave their home, friends, family, culture, etc. to be unempolyed in the U.S.

[paramount]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]Bottomline IMO: This immigration invasion has all the hallmarks of an instigated and engineered crisis.

Texas and Arizona should call out the national guard to protect the border along their states.[/quote]

What exactly would you suggest that the national guard do? Escort these minors to Murrieta? You know they’re not sneaking across the border, right?[/quote]

1st of all, it is the federal govt’s constitutional obligation to protect/seal the border.

They’re doing ‘everything’ except the one thing they are supposed to do.

The guard will function as a deterrent, more eyes and ears while the fence is being built.

A fence along the entire southern border.

[SK in CV]

[quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]Bottomline IMO: This immigration invasion has all the hallmarks of an instigated and engineered crisis.

Texas and Arizona should call out the national guard to protect the border along their states.[/quote]

What exactly would you suggest that the national guard do? Escort these minors to Murrieta? You know they’re not sneaking across the border, right?[/quote]

1st of all, it is the federal govt’s constitutional obligation to protect/seal the border.

They’re doing ‘everything’ except the one thing they are supposed to do.

The guard will function as a deterrent, more eyes and ears while the fence is being built.

A fence along the entire southern border.[/quote]

Pay attention here. The thousands of minors that are crossing the border are not sneaking across. They have not been caught after entering the country. They have come to the border and presented themselves. Under a six year old law (that’s right, 6 years, under the previous administration, not a new policy), minor refugees from other countries are allowed into the country, and their status is determined after they’re already here. The border patrol is doing their job as proscribed by law. So again, I ask, what additional help could the national guard provide?

[Anonymous]

National Guard was just on the border of Ca and Az for the last 3 years, remember Operation Jump Start? What did that accomplish other than providing temporary pay checks for a bunch of unemployed Guardsmen?

[paramount]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount][quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]Bottomline IMO: This immigration invasion has all the hallmarks of an instigated and engineered crisis.

Texas and Arizona should call out the national guard to protect the border along their states.[/quote]

What exactly would you suggest that the national guard do? Escort these minors to Murrieta? You know they’re not sneaking across the border, right?[/quote]

1st of all, it is the federal govt’s constitutional obligation to protect/seal the border.

They’re doing ‘everything’ except the one thing they are supposed to do.

The guard will function as a deterrent, more eyes and ears while the fence is being built.

A fence along the entire southern border.[/quote]

Pay attention here. The thousands of minors that are crossing the border are not sneaking across. They have not been caught after entering the country. They have come to the border and presented themselves. Under a six year old law (that’s right, 6 years, under the previous administration, not a new policy), minor refugees from other countries are allowed into the country, and their status is determined after they’re already here. The border patrol is doing their job as proscribed by law. So again, I ask, what additional help could the national guard provide?[/quote]

Your problem is you bought into the propaganda hook line and sinker. If you look at my original post I am fully aware of this unconstitutional law.

Are these supposed children/’dreamers’/refugees the only ones at the border? Mixed in with these ‘children’ are drug cartel members, coyotes, ms-13, etc…

Build the fence NOW!

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