OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

[briansd1]

My dad is 80 and he was a heavy social drinker and smoker (a product of his generation). But he quit smoking about 30 years ago, and cut back to only very light infrequent drinking.

My dad’s peers all died from diseases related to drinking, smoking and eating.

I’ve watched my old relatives and their friends so I know that life can be extended a long time by making simple lifestyle changes.

The problem is that people are set in their own way and won’t change out of stubbornness.

[scaredyclassic]

We need social training in moderate drinking. I like to drink every day, it would be awful if it became problematic in my life and I was compelled to stop. Moderate drinking extends life and it is pretty clear humans and some alcohol ate a profoundly good mix. More work needs to be done to moderate peoples drinking early on. I personally believe teen abstinence is part if the problem. We need to normalize alcohol, make it like a food group. But severely discourage excess.

Or not.

[scaredyclassic]

We need social training in moderate drinking. I like to drink every day, it would be awful if it became problematic in my life and I was compelled to stop. Moderate drinking extends life and it is pretty clear humans and some alcohol ate a profoundly good mix. More work needs to be done to moderate peoples drinking early on. I personally believe teen abstinence is part if the problem. We need to normalize alcohol, make it like a food group. But severely discourage excess.

Or not.

[scaredyclassic]

We need social training in moderate drinking. I like to drink every day, it would be awful if it became problematic in my life and I was compelled to stop. Moderate drinking extends life and it is pretty clear humans and some alcohol ate a profoundly good mix. More work needs to be done to moderate peoples drinking early on. I personally believe teen abstinence is part if the problem. We need to normalize alcohol, make it like a food group. But severely discourage excess.

Or not.

[scaredyclassic]

We need social training in moderate drinking. I like to drink every day, it would be awful if it became problematic in my life and I was compelled to stop. Moderate drinking extends life and it is pretty clear humans and some alcohol ate a profoundly good mix. More work needs to be done to moderate peoples drinking early on. I personally believe teen abstinence is part if the problem. We need to normalize alcohol, make it like a food group. But severely discourage excess.

Or not.

[scaredyclassic]

We need social training in moderate drinking. I like to drink every day, it would be awful if it became problematic in my life and I was compelled to stop. Moderate drinking extends life and it is pretty clear humans and some alcohol ate a profoundly good mix. More work needs to be done to moderate peoples drinking early on. I personally believe teen abstinence is part if the problem. We need to normalize alcohol, make it like a food group. But severely discourage excess.

Or not.

[jpinpb]

Rustico – have you done research on it? I remember either reading or hearing something on some science show about how some people are more predisposed, like, say, Native Americian Indians or Irish. And I think it had to do w/something that was missing from their liver that wouldn’t allow them to process alcohol like other people would.

But certainly I would also believe that if one started out young abusing alcohol and continued through adulthood that it would be much more difficult for that person to curb their drinking. It is habit forming and addicting and for some, I believe also a physical problem.

I also think that certainly people’s personalities play a role in it. Some people are prone to be addicted to things, whether alcohol, drugs, food, etc. I’ve met people in AA who channeled their addictive behavior towards something like working out, exercise, running, yoga, etc. Something that would be healtier. Also, depending on how you look at it, work-aholics. May or may not be less destructive.

[jpinpb]

Rustico – have you done research on it? I remember either reading or hearing something on some science show about how some people are more predisposed, like, say, Native Americian Indians or Irish. And I think it had to do w/something that was missing from their liver that wouldn’t allow them to process alcohol like other people would.

But certainly I would also believe that if one started out young abusing alcohol and continued through adulthood that it would be much more difficult for that person to curb their drinking. It is habit forming and addicting and for some, I believe also a physical problem.

I also think that certainly people’s personalities play a role in it. Some people are prone to be addicted to things, whether alcohol, drugs, food, etc. I’ve met people in AA who channeled their addictive behavior towards something like working out, exercise, running, yoga, etc. Something that would be healtier. Also, depending on how you look at it, work-aholics. May or may not be less destructive.

[jpinpb]

Rustico – have you done research on it? I remember either reading or hearing something on some science show about how some people are more predisposed, like, say, Native Americian Indians or Irish. And I think it had to do w/something that was missing from their liver that wouldn’t allow them to process alcohol like other people would.

But certainly I would also believe that if one started out young abusing alcohol and continued through adulthood that it would be much more difficult for that person to curb their drinking. It is habit forming and addicting and for some, I believe also a physical problem.

I also think that certainly people’s personalities play a role in it. Some people are prone to be addicted to things, whether alcohol, drugs, food, etc. I’ve met people in AA who channeled their addictive behavior towards something like working out, exercise, running, yoga, etc. Something that would be healtier. Also, depending on how you look at it, work-aholics. May or may not be less destructive.

[jpinpb]

Rustico – have you done research on it? I remember either reading or hearing something on some science show about how some people are more predisposed, like, say, Native Americian Indians or Irish. And I think it had to do w/something that was missing from their liver that wouldn’t allow them to process alcohol like other people would.

But certainly I would also believe that if one started out young abusing alcohol and continued through adulthood that it would be much more difficult for that person to curb their drinking. It is habit forming and addicting and for some, I believe also a physical problem.

I also think that certainly people’s personalities play a role in it. Some people are prone to be addicted to things, whether alcohol, drugs, food, etc. I’ve met people in AA who channeled their addictive behavior towards something like working out, exercise, running, yoga, etc. Something that would be healtier. Also, depending on how you look at it, work-aholics. May or may not be less destructive.

[jpinpb]

Rustico – have you done research on it? I remember either reading or hearing something on some science show about how some people are more predisposed, like, say, Native Americian Indians or Irish. And I think it had to do w/something that was missing from their liver that wouldn’t allow them to process alcohol like other people would.

But certainly I would also believe that if one started out young abusing alcohol and continued through adulthood that it would be much more difficult for that person to curb their drinking. It is habit forming and addicting and for some, I believe also a physical problem.

I also think that certainly people’s personalities play a role in it. Some people are prone to be addicted to things, whether alcohol, drugs, food, etc. I’ve met people in AA who channeled their addictive behavior towards something like working out, exercise, running, yoga, etc. Something that would be healtier. Also, depending on how you look at it, work-aholics. May or may not be less destructive.

[NotCranky]

Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.

[NotCranky]

Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.

[NotCranky]

Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.

[NotCranky]

Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.

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