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February 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM #783136February 18, 2015 at 1:00 PM #783137
FlyerInHi
Guest[quote=carli] Why should a developer’s property rights trump individuals’ property rights?
[/quote]They don’t.
Individuals could build whatever they want on their properties.
We all affect each other outside in the community, but within our lands, we should be able to do whatever we want.
February 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM #783138Guest[quote=spdrun]I have both in my neighborhood. As well as an electric power plant 🙂 But there should be limits. I think people would object if someone decided to open a nitroglycerine factory next door.[/quote]
And with community input, the city can deny the business license. There’s no need for zoning to prohibit businesses and make the area residential only.
I’m not libertarian, or conservative, but they some have some good arguments. Sometimes government is too much, too stifling, and freedom killing.
The free market can work very well. If people don’t frequent the business, it will close. If not, community reproach and censure can stop people from undesirable behavior.
Without zoning, someone could build a nice addition (for example a companion unit) to his house. Community approbation would lead to the neighbors copying and improving the neighborhood. Now, you have the stupid set-back requirements, the one size fits all rules, etc…
February 18, 2015 at 1:43 PM #783139an
Participant[quote=spdrun]
San Jose downtown is exactly what I’m talking about. Its a downtown. You can use San Diego as an example too. But Carmel valley is a suburb, not a city. It doesn’t have an area zoned for high density mixed used to start with.
I’m not sure if that definition holds. A lot of East Coast and Midwestern suburbs do have downtowns with mixed use, and have had for 100 years![/quote]I know they do, but not a lot of the West Coast suburbs especially San Diego. A lot of the suburbs in San Diego are also huge relative to some of the cities in the bay area. Yet, none of these suburb have a downtown or village center of their own, where you get denser mixed use properties.
February 18, 2015 at 1:56 PM #783140spdrun
ParticipantMost of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.
February 18, 2015 at 2:07 PM #783141Guest[quote=spdrun]Most of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.[/quote]
yeah, the jobs and housing in NY metro are near public transport.. But in San Diego, it’s not that way, unless you work for the government like County/City government.
February 18, 2015 at 2:10 PM #783142The-Shoveler
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]Most of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.[/quote]
yeah, the jobs and housing in NY metro are near public transport.. But in San Diego, it’s not that way, unless you work for the government like County/City government.[/quote]
Oh LOL that’s exactly L.A., the Gov workers made sure the trains ran to where THEY worked, but you can’t get to lax to save you life on public transport.
Or you Job.
February 18, 2015 at 2:16 PM #783144Guest[quote=The-Shoveler]
Oh LOL that’s exactly L.A., the Gov workers made sure the trains ran to where THEY worked, but you can’t get to lax to save you life on public transport.Or you Job.[/quote]
Exactly! Plus they give free public transport passes to their employees at taxpayers’ expense.
I knew a guy who commuted from San Diego to Santa Ana on “free” public transport.
February 18, 2015 at 2:20 PM #783145ParticipantThere are public incentives to subsidize public transport for private employees as well.
February 18, 2015 at 2:21 PM #783143ParticipantFlyerInHI: There seemed to be plenty of jobs within one or two miles of the coast in the northern burbs. A lot of retail, Palomar Airport, the marine base, quite a few office complexes, etc. When my friend moved from the East Coast to San Diego, she didn’t have a license or car for about a year and did fine in Encinitas. She had a bicycle and an over abundance of energy.
The-Shoveler: Can’t speak to LAX, but San Diego Airport is relatively accessible by public transport. There’s a bus from Santa Fe Terminal that takes 10-15 min.
February 18, 2015 at 2:34 PM #783147Participant[quote=spdrun]Most of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.[/quote]Carlsbad, Oceanside, Encinitas, Vista, San Marcos are all cities, not suburbs. Carmel Valley, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mira Mesa, Clairemont, etc. are suburbs. They all don’t have true town centers.
February 18, 2015 at 2:35 PM #783146Guest[quote=spdrun]
The-Shoveler: Can’t speak to LAX, but San Diego Airport is relatively accessible by public transport. There’s a bus from Santa Fe Terminal that takes 10-15 min.[/quote]
Give me a break… Between missing the bus and the train you’re easily adding 2 hours to your commute. If you live in Carmel Valley, how do you get back home from the airport? I have taken that same bus that you talk about.
I have also taken Amtrak from SD to Union Station in Downtown LA and the shuttle bus to LAX. A pain in the you-know-what. I have tried it when I had an abundance of patience.
http://www.lawa.org/FlyAway/content.aspx?id=10152
They should allow Uber to expand because public transport on the West sucks. Look how long it took for BART to get to SFO.
I think that unless someone lived in NYC or Europe, or Asia, or even Mexico City, Americans have no concept of real public transport. It’s all talk but usability is just very sad.
BTW, Palomar Airport is not along the coast. Take the coaster to Carlsbad, then what? Take the bus and miss your flight?
February 18, 2015 at 2:38 PM #783149Guest[quote=AN] Carlsbad, Oceanside, Encinitas, Vista, San Marcos are all cities, not suburbs. Carmel Valley, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mira Mesa, Clairemont, etc. are suburbs. They all don’t have true town centers.[/quote]
I agree.
I’m however just waiting for someone to say that those neighborhoods you mentioned are not suburbs. They are within the city of San diego. haha…
February 18, 2015 at 2:42 PM #783148ParticipantFlyerInHI: This isn’t much worse than transportation from NJ suburbs of NYC to Newark Airport. If you live on the train line that serves the Airport station, you can just get off there and take the monorail. Easy.
But if you’re taking a different line, you need to get off at another station in Newark, take the subway to Penn Station, then take a bus to the airport. Makes San Diego look like child’s play.
In the US, only DC (with National Airport), Philly, and Chicago get it right by running frequent direct trains to their airports.
AN: the north coast cities are both cities and suburbs. Call them “streetcar” or railroad suburbs, but the traffic flow in the morning is still primarily to the south and San Diego. It’s an older model of suburbanization, but still suburban.
Encinitas is population 60,000 give or take. Suburbs/cities outside of NYC like New Rochelle can be similar in size (say 80,000).
February 18, 2015 at 2:47 PM #783150Guest[quote=spdrun]
In the US, only DC (with National Airport), Philly, and Chicago get it right by running frequent direct trains to their airports.[/quote]Exactly. Americans don’t have real life concept of good public transport.
I’ve have not taken the train to ORD, but from PHL to Center City is just OK. It’s ghetto, old and dirty. Grumpy ticket controllers still selling tickets using hole punchers. No electronics. That’s the 21st century of public transport in America.
Compare to Singapore or Hong Kong… places that were malaria infested third world countries just a few decades ago.
America had the best public transport 100 years ago, yeah…. past glory irrelevant to today.
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