One Paseo Vote

[spdrun]

Would Otay Mesa and San Ysidro, which aren’t actually contiguous(*) with San Diego and are south of the city of Chula Vista, but are nonetheless part of San Diego, make people’s heads explode?

(*)- they’re connected by a narrow strip of water inside of San Diego harbor.

[spdrun]

I’ve have not taken the train to ORD, but from PHL to Center City is just OK. It’s ghetto, old and dirty. Grumpy ticket controllers still selling tickets using hole punchers. No electronics. That’s the 21st century of public transport in America.

Honestly, it’s a commuter train. Electronics beyond simple station announcements are stupid when there’s a map on the wall and the stations have big signs.

There’s only one stop between downtown and the airport terminals anyway. And they replaced the oldest trains a few years ago. It’s actually a tribute to how well the equipment was built that they ran rail cars from the late 1950s up until the 2010s. Ran them every day, not as some sort of museum.

As far as the ticket controllers, problem is an outdated law requiring conductors on commuter rail that’s connected to the national system rather than just a motorman. Might as well have them do something since they’re there.

[FlyerInHi]

Electronics and automation to sell tickets and get rid of the grumpy highly paid controllers. Get rid of cash, cash handling the thievery involved and the accounting audit necessary.

Automation and driveless trains to make the trains run on time and not with delays of 10 or mins or more. When you’re catching a flight, you want to time your train.

There are more than 1 stop. Plus you have transfer to really get into City Center.
http://www.septa.org/schedules/rail/w/AIR_0.html

In “socialist” Europe the trains are modern and run on time and go right to the city centers.

Like I said, try the best public transport in other countries and compare to what we have in America. That’s when you get depressed.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN] Carlsbad, Oceanside, Encinitas, Vista, San Marcos are all cities, not suburbs. Carmel Valley, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mira Mesa, Clairemont, etc. are suburbs. They all don’t have true town centers.[/quote]

I agree.

I’m however just waiting for someone to say that those neighborhoods you mentioned are not suburbs. They are within the city of San diego. haha…[/quote]

If it is within the same county I think you can call it a suburb of the main City (one man’s city is another man’s suburb LOL)

Even Simi Valley is considered a suburb of L.A. by almost anyone you ask and it is in Ventura county LOL.

200k population is considered a big city in most states, in Socal it’s a suburb.

[spdrun]

OK, there are two stops (University and Eastwick). 30th St is the main station.

Oh yeah, and screw the idea of getting rid of cash with a turbocharged jackhammer. There go peoples’ privacy and anonymity. Unless they start accepting Bitcoin, of course. The problem isn’t cash in Philly. The problem is lack of working ticket machines, so most tickets are sold on the trains. If they didn’t need to sell tickets on the trains, ticket controls could be random and they could install fare gates at the most heavily used stations.

In my book, the ability to use common carriers and travel as anonymously as possible should be seen as a human right. Frankly, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction in this country since 9/11, so no need to aggravate the problem further.

This is why I’ll always take a filthy-ass cab with a driver who smells of week-old marijuana smoke over Uber. I don’t feel that my travel needs to become part of some big database tied to my credit card # and personal details.

Germany has the right idea. Largely a cash (in the literal sense) economy, but the trains still run on time.

[flyer]

Concerning the One Paseo vote. Although most of us who own property (primary and/or rentals, etc.) in and around the area are not for the project as it now stands, regardless of what happens, I think CV and surrounding areas will still remain some of the most livable and coveted locations in state.

Don’t get me wrong, our family and friends are doing everything we can to prevent this from happening–but I don’t believe all will be lost–should the vote go against us.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]

Germany has the right idea. Largely a cash (in the literal sense) economy, but the trains still run on time.[/quote]

I have a vacation meeting with my cousin in Berlin in the fall. I will check it out. I heard good things about Germany and especially Berlin. They own a triplex — 3 apartments stacked on top of one another. Neighborhood looks like a denser version of North Park. But with more trees and greenery.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flyer]

Don’t get me wrong, our family and friends are doing everything we can to prevent this from happening–but I don’t believe all will be lost–should the vote go against us.[/quote]

May the best win. I’m rooting for the developer.

If Kilroy wins, you will see property value go up even more. You may not like new traffic, but you will be wealthier. In 30 years, you won’t care anymore.

Are you one of the folks who were against Carmel Valley and the 56 to begin with?

[flyer]

Yes, we’ll see what happens.

To answer your question. We started buying property in CV beginning in the late 80’s–and lived there for about 10 years until we moved to RSF, and have kept rentals in CV–so, no, we were not against the development. Lots of friends in DM were though–“No life east of I-5” is the slogan I remember.

[carli]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flyer]

Don’t get me wrong, our family and friends are doing everything we can to prevent this from happening–but I don’t believe all will be lost–should the vote go against us.[/quote]

May the best win. I’m rooting for the developer.

If Kilroy wins, you will see property value go up even more. You may not like new traffic, but you will be wealthier. In 30 years, you won’t care anymore.

Are you one of the folks who were against Carmel Valley and the 56 to begin with?[/quote]

No reason this should be a win/lose proposition. There will be some sort of compromise. No one I know is completely anti-development for this piece of property nor talking about buying it back for land preservation, making it into a park, etc. One Paseo will be built in that spot in one form or another, as it should be. Both sides will fight hard for their needs, in the spirit of the public process, and neither will ultimately be completely satisfied – the definition of compromise. It’s an okay system if you ask me.

And I don’t know anyone who is actually delusional enough to think we can (or should even to want to) stop growth in any area around here. Most of us just want to weigh in on the impacts of that growth, especially when they affect us directly. And I am pretty sure most Piggs would feel the same way in this situation, even though it’s easier to refer to it as NIMBYism from afar.

And FlyerInHI, barring an earthquake or other disaster, my property values will go up plenty regardless of how One Paseo turns out. I can’t get excited about larger profits at the expense of environmental and quality of life impacts. But that might sum up the difference in our views in a nutshell.

[flyer]

Well put, Carli.

[FlyerInHi]

I’m a bright lights big city kinda guy so more development is good. Things keep on getting better; I don’t see any regression in quality of life.

At one time, I lived in a house in San Diego. Now I have a condo. Different and better, but not worse.

Some people told me that there used to be dairy farms in Mission Valley. They used to ride their horses on trips all the way up to Oceanside. They lament the changes and reminisce about the past… things used to be like this or like that. Who cares? They’re not anymore. Look at it on the bright side.

You might not like the increased traffic, but there might be a new favorite restaurant at the new mall. You don’t have to drive further into San Diego for dinner anymore.

[flyer]

Just because some prefer a beautiful and tranquil home and property “away from it all,” doesn’t mean we don’t also enjoy spending time in the vibrant and exciting atmosphere of “bright lights and big cities.” I think it’s definitely possible to enjoy both lifestyles.

Concerning One Paseo. More should be known about the status of the project next week, and, depending on the outcome, everyone will be able to decide what they feel is best to do from that point on.

[svelte]

Personally, I kind of like little hubs of activity.

One of my complaints about North County (and I don’t include Carmel Valley in NC – it is more mid county) is that there is little nightlife…not enough density anywhere to get anything really vibrant going. Its sorta developing on Carlsbad Village Drive, but that’s still pretty weak.

If we could develop small, dense focal points throughout the north county I think everyone would benefit. Say one in Carlsbad/Oceanside area, one in Escondido/RB area. It looks like San Marcos may beat them to the punch though with the development plans around Cal State San Marcos.

I don’t particularly like living in high density, so I absolutely want large lot SFRs around me…but there are times when we want to go out and mingle with the masses. It would be great if we didn’t have to go all the way downtown to find a significant amount of nightlife.

[The-Shoveler]

I have to go with svelte, but maybe smaller.
I live in suburbia precisely because I don’t want to live in a dense congested area. I don’t mind going to a shopping center that has lot’s of small restaurants and chain restaurants etc… maybe even close to the mall like in Carlsbad off the 78,

But I don’t think I want to live any closer to a large business park than say 5 miles or 10 miles from anything that looks like downtown (I don’t want the congestion that close to me).

Anyway, My perfect day is a little work in the yard, followed by a walk on the beach then dinner with the wife at a quiet restaurant (such is the life of a suburbanite LOL)

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