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July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #432552July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #431819
Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantSDE: Good post with good information. I used to work with a large insurance broker (same one that just renamed Sears Tower) and I’m familiar with all of the tricks the insurance companies pull to either deny or delay payment or just generally screw with your coverage.
You’re also absolutely right about ER treatment. Versus any sort of programmatic care, the costs are obscene. In many instances, where the injury isn’t an emergency, uninsured folks are using the ER the way insured people are using a regular doctor’s office.
The European programs seem to work well and are fairly robust. Even England’s NHS seems to be a good program, albeit a government run program.
July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #432029ParticipantSDE: Good post with good information. I used to work with a large insurance broker (same one that just renamed Sears Tower) and I’m familiar with all of the tricks the insurance companies pull to either deny or delay payment or just generally screw with your coverage.
You’re also absolutely right about ER treatment. Versus any sort of programmatic care, the costs are obscene. In many instances, where the injury isn’t an emergency, uninsured folks are using the ER the way insured people are using a regular doctor’s office.
The European programs seem to work well and are fairly robust. Even England’s NHS seems to be a good program, albeit a government run program.
July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #432324ParticipantSDE: Good post with good information. I used to work with a large insurance broker (same one that just renamed Sears Tower) and I’m familiar with all of the tricks the insurance companies pull to either deny or delay payment or just generally screw with your coverage.
You’re also absolutely right about ER treatment. Versus any sort of programmatic care, the costs are obscene. In many instances, where the injury isn’t an emergency, uninsured folks are using the ER the way insured people are using a regular doctor’s office.
The European programs seem to work well and are fairly robust. Even England’s NHS seems to be a good program, albeit a government run program.
July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #432394ParticipantSDE: Good post with good information. I used to work with a large insurance broker (same one that just renamed Sears Tower) and I’m familiar with all of the tricks the insurance companies pull to either deny or delay payment or just generally screw with your coverage.
You’re also absolutely right about ER treatment. Versus any sort of programmatic care, the costs are obscene. In many instances, where the injury isn’t an emergency, uninsured folks are using the ER the way insured people are using a regular doctor’s office.
The European programs seem to work well and are fairly robust. Even England’s NHS seems to be a good program, albeit a government run program.
July 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM #432557ParticipantSDE: Good post with good information. I used to work with a large insurance broker (same one that just renamed Sears Tower) and I’m familiar with all of the tricks the insurance companies pull to either deny or delay payment or just generally screw with your coverage.
You’re also absolutely right about ER treatment. Versus any sort of programmatic care, the costs are obscene. In many instances, where the injury isn’t an emergency, uninsured folks are using the ER the way insured people are using a regular doctor’s office.
The European programs seem to work well and are fairly robust. Even England’s NHS seems to be a good program, albeit a government run program.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM #431824DWCAP
ParticipantAN,
I dont know anyone in Canada personally, so no I dont have first person knowledge of Canada health misteps. But I am sure someone on this board can tell us an equally horrible story about the American health systerm.
Hell, I can tell you one similar! I had to go to a buddy of mines little sisters funerial, she died of sepsis when she was 14. Parents were upper middle class, mom was a nurse. They went on vacation to the snow and she got sick. Mom took her in, they diagnosed her with the flu, and sent her home. Mom knew something was up and took here back time and again in the next few days.(I dont know the exact timeline) and time and again they said “flu” even though she was a very sick person and mom is a nurse, she kinda knows SICK from ‘standard flu’.
Anyways her kidneys and liver shut down and she died, cause they didnt want to give her anti-biotics for the flu and didnt want to do any tests for anything else like sepsis.
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM #432033ParticipantAN,
I dont know anyone in Canada personally, so no I dont have first person knowledge of Canada health misteps. But I am sure someone on this board can tell us an equally horrible story about the American health systerm.
Hell, I can tell you one similar! I had to go to a buddy of mines little sisters funerial, she died of sepsis when she was 14. Parents were upper middle class, mom was a nurse. They went on vacation to the snow and she got sick. Mom took her in, they diagnosed her with the flu, and sent her home. Mom knew something was up and took here back time and again in the next few days.(I dont know the exact timeline) and time and again they said “flu” even though she was a very sick person and mom is a nurse, she kinda knows SICK from ‘standard flu’.
Anyways her kidneys and liver shut down and she died, cause they didnt want to give her anti-biotics for the flu and didnt want to do any tests for anything else like sepsis.
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM #432329ParticipantAN,
I dont know anyone in Canada personally, so no I dont have first person knowledge of Canada health misteps. But I am sure someone on this board can tell us an equally horrible story about the American health systerm.
Hell, I can tell you one similar! I had to go to a buddy of mines little sisters funerial, she died of sepsis when she was 14. Parents were upper middle class, mom was a nurse. They went on vacation to the snow and she got sick. Mom took her in, they diagnosed her with the flu, and sent her home. Mom knew something was up and took here back time and again in the next few days.(I dont know the exact timeline) and time and again they said “flu” even though she was a very sick person and mom is a nurse, she kinda knows SICK from ‘standard flu’.
Anyways her kidneys and liver shut down and she died, cause they didnt want to give her anti-biotics for the flu and didnt want to do any tests for anything else like sepsis.
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM #432399ParticipantAN,
I dont know anyone in Canada personally, so no I dont have first person knowledge of Canada health misteps. But I am sure someone on this board can tell us an equally horrible story about the American health systerm.
Hell, I can tell you one similar! I had to go to a buddy of mines little sisters funerial, she died of sepsis when she was 14. Parents were upper middle class, mom was a nurse. They went on vacation to the snow and she got sick. Mom took her in, they diagnosed her with the flu, and sent her home. Mom knew something was up and took here back time and again in the next few days.(I dont know the exact timeline) and time and again they said “flu” even though she was a very sick person and mom is a nurse, she kinda knows SICK from ‘standard flu’.
Anyways her kidneys and liver shut down and she died, cause they didnt want to give her anti-biotics for the flu and didnt want to do any tests for anything else like sepsis.
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.
July 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM #432562ParticipantAN,
I dont know anyone in Canada personally, so no I dont have first person knowledge of Canada health misteps. But I am sure someone on this board can tell us an equally horrible story about the American health systerm.
Hell, I can tell you one similar! I had to go to a buddy of mines little sisters funerial, she died of sepsis when she was 14. Parents were upper middle class, mom was a nurse. They went on vacation to the snow and she got sick. Mom took her in, they diagnosed her with the flu, and sent her home. Mom knew something was up and took here back time and again in the next few days.(I dont know the exact timeline) and time and again they said “flu” even though she was a very sick person and mom is a nurse, she kinda knows SICK from ‘standard flu’.
Anyways her kidneys and liver shut down and she died, cause they didnt want to give her anti-biotics for the flu and didnt want to do any tests for anything else like sepsis.
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.
July 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM #431834an
ParticipantSDEngineer, I’m not comparing it against Canadian system. I’m just stating what the Canadian system is like from people who actually uses it. I can’t tell you what ObamaCare would be like until it happens.
CA renter, I totally agree that you can’t implement ObamaCare when you have open boarder. Stories like that happening here in the US would result in law suit and doctors losing their licenses. Of course there are different level of care, even in the US. That’s why I specifically mentioned Kaiser. I heard many horror stories from them too. I’ve seen first hand experience how Kaiser treats their patients vs other Hospitals, like Scripps and Sharps. You do get what you paid for, with regards to comparing private hospital vs private hospital. Why do you think health insurance is more expensive if you wan the option to go to Scripps network?
What is it about the Austrian health care system that make it FAR superior to ours? Please explain.
July 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM #432043ParticipantSDEngineer, I’m not comparing it against Canadian system. I’m just stating what the Canadian system is like from people who actually uses it. I can’t tell you what ObamaCare would be like until it happens.
CA renter, I totally agree that you can’t implement ObamaCare when you have open boarder. Stories like that happening here in the US would result in law suit and doctors losing their licenses. Of course there are different level of care, even in the US. That’s why I specifically mentioned Kaiser. I heard many horror stories from them too. I’ve seen first hand experience how Kaiser treats their patients vs other Hospitals, like Scripps and Sharps. You do get what you paid for, with regards to comparing private hospital vs private hospital. Why do you think health insurance is more expensive if you wan the option to go to Scripps network?
What is it about the Austrian health care system that make it FAR superior to ours? Please explain.
July 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM #432338ParticipantSDEngineer, I’m not comparing it against Canadian system. I’m just stating what the Canadian system is like from people who actually uses it. I can’t tell you what ObamaCare would be like until it happens.
CA renter, I totally agree that you can’t implement ObamaCare when you have open boarder. Stories like that happening here in the US would result in law suit and doctors losing their licenses. Of course there are different level of care, even in the US. That’s why I specifically mentioned Kaiser. I heard many horror stories from them too. I’ve seen first hand experience how Kaiser treats their patients vs other Hospitals, like Scripps and Sharps. You do get what you paid for, with regards to comparing private hospital vs private hospital. Why do you think health insurance is more expensive if you wan the option to go to Scripps network?
What is it about the Austrian health care system that make it FAR superior to ours? Please explain.
July 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM #432409ParticipantSDEngineer, I’m not comparing it against Canadian system. I’m just stating what the Canadian system is like from people who actually uses it. I can’t tell you what ObamaCare would be like until it happens.
CA renter, I totally agree that you can’t implement ObamaCare when you have open boarder. Stories like that happening here in the US would result in law suit and doctors losing their licenses. Of course there are different level of care, even in the US. That’s why I specifically mentioned Kaiser. I heard many horror stories from them too. I’ve seen first hand experience how Kaiser treats their patients vs other Hospitals, like Scripps and Sharps. You do get what you paid for, with regards to comparing private hospital vs private hospital. Why do you think health insurance is more expensive if you wan the option to go to Scripps network?
What is it about the Austrian health care system that make it FAR superior to ours? Please explain.
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