ObamaCare…coming soon

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[quote=temeculaguy] …but if the difference between 78 and 78.5 years of age is going to set the rest of you back a few hundred grand, just give me some morphine…

I would prefer to avoid copying the UK’s dental plan if at all possible, yikes!![/quote]

I think this is correct. The US system is often research driven, and not trying to play catch up with European longevity, but ironically, state run systems can add 0.5 years and may actually save a few hundred grand. But, I grew up in the UK and people grumbled continuously about the health care system, and it was always a major electoral issue. Dentistry used to be free as well, but that changed sometime ago. It is now private, expensive, and pushes the cosmetic smile business. Did you know that many years ago, people used urine to bleach their teeth. That might explain why you don’t see the word “snogging” appear very often in earlier literature.

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[quote=afx114]Zeit, can you or any of the opposition offer an alternative plan? Or are you happy with how things are now? Are you happy with the US being ranked somewhere around 30th-40th in health care quality despite paying double, triple or sometimes quadruple what the countries who are ranked in the top 10 pay? Are you content with the US being ranked 45th in life expectancy behind such great nations as Luxembourg, Malta, and Liechtenstein despite paying ridiculously more than those countries do for their healthcare? Are you content with the fact that we pay nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare costs, with no correlative results to show for it?

Can we all at least agree that the status quo is not working and something needs to be done before healthcare costs bleed our country to death? Once that is established, can you offer something other than “ObamaCare” to solve the problem? Does the opposition have anything to offer other than opposition? If so, I haven’t heard it.[/quote]
If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.

[an]

[quote=afx114]Zeit, can you or any of the opposition offer an alternative plan? Or are you happy with how things are now? Are you happy with the US being ranked somewhere around 30th-40th in health care quality despite paying double, triple or sometimes quadruple what the countries who are ranked in the top 10 pay? Are you content with the US being ranked 45th in life expectancy behind such great nations as Luxembourg, Malta, and Liechtenstein despite paying ridiculously more than those countries do for their healthcare? Are you content with the fact that we pay nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare costs, with no correlative results to show for it?

Can we all at least agree that the status quo is not working and something needs to be done before healthcare costs bleed our country to death? Once that is established, can you offer something other than “ObamaCare” to solve the problem? Does the opposition have anything to offer other than opposition? If so, I haven’t heard it.[/quote]
If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.

[an]

[quote=afx114]Zeit, can you or any of the opposition offer an alternative plan? Or are you happy with how things are now? Are you happy with the US being ranked somewhere around 30th-40th in health care quality despite paying double, triple or sometimes quadruple what the countries who are ranked in the top 10 pay? Are you content with the US being ranked 45th in life expectancy behind such great nations as Luxembourg, Malta, and Liechtenstein despite paying ridiculously more than those countries do for their healthcare? Are you content with the fact that we pay nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare costs, with no correlative results to show for it?

Can we all at least agree that the status quo is not working and something needs to be done before healthcare costs bleed our country to death? Once that is established, can you offer something other than “ObamaCare” to solve the problem? Does the opposition have anything to offer other than opposition? If so, I haven’t heard it.[/quote]
If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.

[an]

[quote=afx114]Zeit, can you or any of the opposition offer an alternative plan? Or are you happy with how things are now? Are you happy with the US being ranked somewhere around 30th-40th in health care quality despite paying double, triple or sometimes quadruple what the countries who are ranked in the top 10 pay? Are you content with the US being ranked 45th in life expectancy behind such great nations as Luxembourg, Malta, and Liechtenstein despite paying ridiculously more than those countries do for their healthcare? Are you content with the fact that we pay nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare costs, with no correlative results to show for it?

Can we all at least agree that the status quo is not working and something needs to be done before healthcare costs bleed our country to death? Once that is established, can you offer something other than “ObamaCare” to solve the problem? Does the opposition have anything to offer other than opposition? If so, I haven’t heard it.[/quote]
If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.

[an]

[quote=afx114]Zeit, can you or any of the opposition offer an alternative plan? Or are you happy with how things are now? Are you happy with the US being ranked somewhere around 30th-40th in health care quality despite paying double, triple or sometimes quadruple what the countries who are ranked in the top 10 pay? Are you content with the US being ranked 45th in life expectancy behind such great nations as Luxembourg, Malta, and Liechtenstein despite paying ridiculously more than those countries do for their healthcare? Are you content with the fact that we pay nearly 20% of our GDP on healthcare costs, with no correlative results to show for it?

Can we all at least agree that the status quo is not working and something needs to be done before healthcare costs bleed our country to death? Once that is established, can you offer something other than “ObamaCare” to solve the problem? Does the opposition have anything to offer other than opposition? If so, I haven’t heard it.[/quote]
If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.

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[quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

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[quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

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[quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

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[quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

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[quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

[an]

[quote=afx114][quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.[/quote]
Shuffling cost from taxpayer to the government? I’m a little confused, doesn’t the government get their money from tax payer? Tax credit for individual to buy their own insurance, tax credit for parents to help them w/ the cost of medical expenses.

One of the bill addresses “medical malpractice crisis”. I’m not a MD, so I can’t speak w/ any conviction, but Dr. Paul is a MD, so I think he know a little something about what he’s saying.

If you follow Dr. Paul’s stance on health care, you’ll see that he view health care as a luxury and not a right. If you want to lower your health cost, you eat right, exercise, etc. to keep your body in great shape. That will reduce your cost and the burden you put on society as a whole. In his opinion, one of the major factor that keep health care cost rising is HMO. Once again, that’s his opinion. I haven’t done enough research to dispute that claim, but it sounds logical to me.

[an]

[quote=afx114][quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.[/quote]
Shuffling cost from taxpayer to the government? I’m a little confused, doesn’t the government get their money from tax payer? Tax credit for individual to buy their own insurance, tax credit for parents to help them w/ the cost of medical expenses.

One of the bill addresses “medical malpractice crisis”. I’m not a MD, so I can’t speak w/ any conviction, but Dr. Paul is a MD, so I think he know a little something about what he’s saying.

If you follow Dr. Paul’s stance on health care, you’ll see that he view health care as a luxury and not a right. If you want to lower your health cost, you eat right, exercise, etc. to keep your body in great shape. That will reduce your cost and the burden you put on society as a whole. In his opinion, one of the major factor that keep health care cost rising is HMO. Once again, that’s his opinion. I haven’t done enough research to dispute that claim, but it sounds logical to me.

[an]

[quote=afx114][quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.[/quote]
Shuffling cost from taxpayer to the government? I’m a little confused, doesn’t the government get their money from tax payer? Tax credit for individual to buy their own insurance, tax credit for parents to help them w/ the cost of medical expenses.

One of the bill addresses “medical malpractice crisis”. I’m not a MD, so I can’t speak w/ any conviction, but Dr. Paul is a MD, so I think he know a little something about what he’s saying.

If you follow Dr. Paul’s stance on health care, you’ll see that he view health care as a luxury and not a right. If you want to lower your health cost, you eat right, exercise, etc. to keep your body in great shape. That will reduce your cost and the burden you put on society as a whole. In his opinion, one of the major factor that keep health care cost rising is HMO. Once again, that’s his opinion. I haven’t done enough research to dispute that claim, but it sounds logical to me.

[an]

[quote=afx114][quote=AN]If you want alternative plan, please see my post in the 2nd page. I posted a MD’s proposal. I’ll post it again: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html.%5B/quote%5D

Those are some good proposals (from 2006), but how do they address the issue of rising costs? From what I can tell those bills simply shuffle the cost from the taxpayer to the government (via credits). How will that actually lower costs? Those proposals seem happy to keep the insurance monopolies in the loop and do nothing to introduce more competition into the marketplace. They also do nothing to increase efficiency of the healthcare system. I’m not a tax/econonomics expert so I’d love to be convinced otherwise.[/quote]
Shuffling cost from taxpayer to the government? I’m a little confused, doesn’t the government get their money from tax payer? Tax credit for individual to buy their own insurance, tax credit for parents to help them w/ the cost of medical expenses.

One of the bill addresses “medical malpractice crisis”. I’m not a MD, so I can’t speak w/ any conviction, but Dr. Paul is a MD, so I think he know a little something about what he’s saying.

If you follow Dr. Paul’s stance on health care, you’ll see that he view health care as a luxury and not a right. If you want to lower your health cost, you eat right, exercise, etc. to keep your body in great shape. That will reduce your cost and the burden you put on society as a whole. In his opinion, one of the major factor that keep health care cost rising is HMO. Once again, that’s his opinion. I haven’t done enough research to dispute that claim, but it sounds logical to me.

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