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March 23, 2011 at 9:48 AM #681106March 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM #680060
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Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.
Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?
Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?
You can look up the statistics here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics%5B/quote%5D
Yes, we need those things (gov’t workers, military,legal, bla bla bla) to a limited extent. The problem is we have FAR exceeded the need.
March 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM #680114Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.
Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?
Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?
You can look up the statistics here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics%5B/quote%5D
Yes, we need those things (gov’t workers, military,legal, bla bla bla) to a limited extent. The problem is we have FAR exceeded the need.
March 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM #680728Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.
Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?
Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?
You can look up the statistics here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics%5B/quote%5D
Yes, we need those things (gov’t workers, military,legal, bla bla bla) to a limited extent. The problem is we have FAR exceeded the need.
March 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM #680867Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.
Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?
Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?
You can look up the statistics here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics%5B/quote%5D
Yes, we need those things (gov’t workers, military,legal, bla bla bla) to a limited extent. The problem is we have FAR exceeded the need.
March 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM #681220Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
And every dollar YOU make was made possible by the fact that you live in a country with a social, physical, military, and legal infrastructure that is paid for by the govt/taxpayers.
Again, where is this “Libertarian Utopia” you seem to worship? If a low/no tax country is so wonderful and successful — with a thriving middle class — why aren’t there any actual examples of such a system? Why is it that countries with no/low taxes and a weak government consisting of underpaid public workers always ends up looking like Somalia or Mexico?
Where is the PROOF that your system would work better?
You can look up the statistics here:
http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics%5B/quote%5D
Yes, we need those things (gov’t workers, military,legal, bla bla bla) to a limited extent. The problem is we have FAR exceeded the need.
March 23, 2011 at 1:18 PM #680065Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.
I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?[/quote]
Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker.
Here’s the bottom line: Gov’t workers are living large at private sector workers expense.
Most private sector workers have been stripped of everything the corps could take away, we are struggling now more than ever. Were sick and tired of paying for fat cat gov’t workers when we can barely put food on our table.
And now Governor Brown wants to raise our taxes again to the tune of 55 Billion! To pay for even more benefits for fat cat gov’t workers!
On top of all that we have to pay for THEIR pension losses!!
Enough is enough.
Unfortunately these tax measures will make it to the ballot – primarily b/c the gov’t employee unions own and control California Gov’t.
It’s being sold as let the voters decide; but only after Governor Brown does all he can to scare citizens about cuts.
NO 55 BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!!!
Gov’t workers need to sacrifice like everybody else.
March 23, 2011 at 1:18 PM #680119Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.
I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?[/quote]
Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker.
Here’s the bottom line: Gov’t workers are living large at private sector workers expense.
Most private sector workers have been stripped of everything the corps could take away, we are struggling now more than ever. Were sick and tired of paying for fat cat gov’t workers when we can barely put food on our table.
And now Governor Brown wants to raise our taxes again to the tune of 55 Billion! To pay for even more benefits for fat cat gov’t workers!
On top of all that we have to pay for THEIR pension losses!!
Enough is enough.
Unfortunately these tax measures will make it to the ballot – primarily b/c the gov’t employee unions own and control California Gov’t.
It’s being sold as let the voters decide; but only after Governor Brown does all he can to scare citizens about cuts.
NO 55 BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!!!
Gov’t workers need to sacrifice like everybody else.
March 23, 2011 at 1:18 PM #680733Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.
I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?[/quote]
Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker.
Here’s the bottom line: Gov’t workers are living large at private sector workers expense.
Most private sector workers have been stripped of everything the corps could take away, we are struggling now more than ever. Were sick and tired of paying for fat cat gov’t workers when we can barely put food on our table.
And now Governor Brown wants to raise our taxes again to the tune of 55 Billion! To pay for even more benefits for fat cat gov’t workers!
On top of all that we have to pay for THEIR pension losses!!
Enough is enough.
Unfortunately these tax measures will make it to the ballot – primarily b/c the gov’t employee unions own and control California Gov’t.
It’s being sold as let the voters decide; but only after Governor Brown does all he can to scare citizens about cuts.
NO 55 BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!!!
Gov’t workers need to sacrifice like everybody else.
March 23, 2011 at 1:18 PM #680872Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.
I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?[/quote]
Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker.
Here’s the bottom line: Gov’t workers are living large at private sector workers expense.
Most private sector workers have been stripped of everything the corps could take away, we are struggling now more than ever. Were sick and tired of paying for fat cat gov’t workers when we can barely put food on our table.
And now Governor Brown wants to raise our taxes again to the tune of 55 Billion! To pay for even more benefits for fat cat gov’t workers!
On top of all that we have to pay for THEIR pension losses!!
Enough is enough.
Unfortunately these tax measures will make it to the ballot – primarily b/c the gov’t employee unions own and control California Gov’t.
It’s being sold as let the voters decide; but only after Governor Brown does all he can to scare citizens about cuts.
NO 55 BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!!!
Gov’t workers need to sacrifice like everybody else.
March 23, 2011 at 1:18 PM #681225Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]
I’ll try and make this really easy:
Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.
Private Sector = Makers
Public Sector = Takers
“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]
What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.
I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?[/quote]
Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker.
Here’s the bottom line: Gov’t workers are living large at private sector workers expense.
Most private sector workers have been stripped of everything the corps could take away, we are struggling now more than ever. Were sick and tired of paying for fat cat gov’t workers when we can barely put food on our table.
And now Governor Brown wants to raise our taxes again to the tune of 55 Billion! To pay for even more benefits for fat cat gov’t workers!
On top of all that we have to pay for THEIR pension losses!!
Enough is enough.
Unfortunately these tax measures will make it to the ballot – primarily b/c the gov’t employee unions own and control California Gov’t.
It’s being sold as let the voters decide; but only after Governor Brown does all he can to scare citizens about cuts.
NO 55 BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!!!
Gov’t workers need to sacrifice like everybody else.
March 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM #680110bearishgurl
Participant[quote=paramount]. . . Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker. . . [/quote]
paramount, I am a former longtime gov’t employee and don’t have a “fat cat” pension (negotiated in the last ten years).
I seriously doubt you (or any Pigg for that matter) would perform the tasks I had to for as long as I did and for as little respect as I got for the small pension I am now eligible for. By far, those jobs I did within the “system” were far more stressful (due to a never-ending workload and a pervasive lack of respect) than ANY jobs I have had in the private sector.
The absolute hardest road to take to make your living is to choose to be a “non-professional” government worker, IMO. They put up with more BS, favoritism and incompetent mgmt than ANY American worker alive and deserve every single penny of their hard-won pensions.
paramount, you and all Piggs are free to apply, hopefully become “selected” for appointment and serve your probation to try making the “system” work for your “retirement goals.” Bear in mind that the “vesting period” is 5-10 years, depending on level of government and occupation. In that 5-10 years, get used to bending over and being treated as an indentured servant, no matter what your qualifications. As your workload piles higher and higher (due to retirements and their subsequent unfilled positions), you have just sold your soul. Your already overloaded duties will actually INCREASE with the passing of a probationary period or a promotion, entailing a *new* “probationary period” under persons who may or may not be as “receptive” to you (qualifications ALWAYS secondary). :=!
March 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM #680164Participant[quote=paramount]. . . Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker. . . [/quote]
paramount, I am a former longtime gov’t employee and don’t have a “fat cat” pension (negotiated in the last ten years).
I seriously doubt you (or any Pigg for that matter) would perform the tasks I had to for as long as I did and for as little respect as I got for the small pension I am now eligible for. By far, those jobs I did within the “system” were far more stressful (due to a never-ending workload and a pervasive lack of respect) than ANY jobs I have had in the private sector.
The absolute hardest road to take to make your living is to choose to be a “non-professional” government worker, IMO. They put up with more BS, favoritism and incompetent mgmt than ANY American worker alive and deserve every single penny of their hard-won pensions.
paramount, you and all Piggs are free to apply, hopefully become “selected” for appointment and serve your probation to try making the “system” work for your “retirement goals.” Bear in mind that the “vesting period” is 5-10 years, depending on level of government and occupation. In that 5-10 years, get used to bending over and being treated as an indentured servant, no matter what your qualifications. As your workload piles higher and higher (due to retirements and their subsequent unfilled positions), you have just sold your soul. Your already overloaded duties will actually INCREASE with the passing of a probationary period or a promotion, entailing a *new* “probationary period” under persons who may or may not be as “receptive” to you (qualifications ALWAYS secondary). :=!
March 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM #680778Participant[quote=paramount]. . . Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker. . . [/quote]
paramount, I am a former longtime gov’t employee and don’t have a “fat cat” pension (negotiated in the last ten years).
I seriously doubt you (or any Pigg for that matter) would perform the tasks I had to for as long as I did and for as little respect as I got for the small pension I am now eligible for. By far, those jobs I did within the “system” were far more stressful (due to a never-ending workload and a pervasive lack of respect) than ANY jobs I have had in the private sector.
The absolute hardest road to take to make your living is to choose to be a “non-professional” government worker, IMO. They put up with more BS, favoritism and incompetent mgmt than ANY American worker alive and deserve every single penny of their hard-won pensions.
paramount, you and all Piggs are free to apply, hopefully become “selected” for appointment and serve your probation to try making the “system” work for your “retirement goals.” Bear in mind that the “vesting period” is 5-10 years, depending on level of government and occupation. In that 5-10 years, get used to bending over and being treated as an indentured servant, no matter what your qualifications. As your workload piles higher and higher (due to retirements and their subsequent unfilled positions), you have just sold your soul. Your already overloaded duties will actually INCREASE with the passing of a probationary period or a promotion, entailing a *new* “probationary period” under persons who may or may not be as “receptive” to you (qualifications ALWAYS secondary). :=!
March 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM #680917Participant[quote=paramount]. . . Yes, you were knowingly or unknowingly a taker. . . [/quote]
paramount, I am a former longtime gov’t employee and don’t have a “fat cat” pension (negotiated in the last ten years).
I seriously doubt you (or any Pigg for that matter) would perform the tasks I had to for as long as I did and for as little respect as I got for the small pension I am now eligible for. By far, those jobs I did within the “system” were far more stressful (due to a never-ending workload and a pervasive lack of respect) than ANY jobs I have had in the private sector.
The absolute hardest road to take to make your living is to choose to be a “non-professional” government worker, IMO. They put up with more BS, favoritism and incompetent mgmt than ANY American worker alive and deserve every single penny of their hard-won pensions.
paramount, you and all Piggs are free to apply, hopefully become “selected” for appointment and serve your probation to try making the “system” work for your “retirement goals.” Bear in mind that the “vesting period” is 5-10 years, depending on level of government and occupation. In that 5-10 years, get used to bending over and being treated as an indentured servant, no matter what your qualifications. As your workload piles higher and higher (due to retirements and their subsequent unfilled positions), you have just sold your soul. Your already overloaded duties will actually INCREASE with the passing of a probationary period or a promotion, entailing a *new* “probationary period” under persons who may or may not be as “receptive” to you (qualifications ALWAYS secondary). :=!
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