Minority population grows into California majority

[Anonymous]

Let’s just quit beating around the bush. Asians, in general, have genetically superior brains.

[Anonymous]

Let’s just quit beating around the bush. Asians, in general, have genetically superior brains.

[an]

My point is that hybrid cars are an entirely Western innovation.

I’m not doubting that Japan is currently the world-leader in getting these into the hands of American Consumers (thanks in no small part to Japanese government regulation). But they are still capitalizing on what is ultimately an American design.
Western innovation is not equal to American design. It wasn’t design in America. I still don’t see your point. You stated that I think there is world of difference between a culture that encourages innovation vs. one of replication (not passing judgment either way). American seems to excel at the former at the expense of the latter where Asia is vice-versa. So you’re saying Asian countries excel in replication and not innovation. Yet, all the innovations that comes into play to get us American the toys we want at a decent price were all done by Asian countries.

Yes, but Asian’s account for 60% of the worlds population.
But not all of those 60% can afford to go over here. Don’t forget that majority of those 60% are in extreme poverty. Those people make homeless here look rich. So I don’t get your argument here.

And we clearly have the best engineering schools combined with the best opportunities for graduates to make the most money in the global economy. Hence from a purely statistical (not cultural) standpoint it comes as no surprise to me that our institutes of higher education are loaded with foreigners (or their second-gen descendants)
Didn’t I say I agree with you that we have one of the best engineering schools. That’s why people from those Asian countries come over here. They didn’t want to wait for their country to develop a university that will rival the US universities, so they come here to take advantage of the great universities here. It takes time to build a great education system. Asian countries were in a very different state 100 years ago compare to now.

[an]

My point is that hybrid cars are an entirely Western innovation.

I’m not doubting that Japan is currently the world-leader in getting these into the hands of American Consumers (thanks in no small part to Japanese government regulation). But they are still capitalizing on what is ultimately an American design.
Western innovation is not equal to American design. It wasn’t design in America. I still don’t see your point. You stated that I think there is world of difference between a culture that encourages innovation vs. one of replication (not passing judgment either way). American seems to excel at the former at the expense of the latter where Asia is vice-versa. So you’re saying Asian countries excel in replication and not innovation. Yet, all the innovations that comes into play to get us American the toys we want at a decent price were all done by Asian countries.

Yes, but Asian’s account for 60% of the worlds population.
But not all of those 60% can afford to go over here. Don’t forget that majority of those 60% are in extreme poverty. Those people make homeless here look rich. So I don’t get your argument here.

And we clearly have the best engineering schools combined with the best opportunities for graduates to make the most money in the global economy. Hence from a purely statistical (not cultural) standpoint it comes as no surprise to me that our institutes of higher education are loaded with foreigners (or their second-gen descendants)
Didn’t I say I agree with you that we have one of the best engineering schools. That’s why people from those Asian countries come over here. They didn’t want to wait for their country to develop a university that will rival the US universities, so they come here to take advantage of the great universities here. It takes time to build a great education system. Asian countries were in a very different state 100 years ago compare to now.

[Ash Housewares]

I think the distinction made earlier (can’t recall who brought it up) about innovative societies versus societies who just copy what others are doing is the key thing here.

The difference boils down to whether or not a country has laws and enforcement policies to protect intellectual property. China is notorious for piracy and corporate espionage. Until intellectual property is taken seriously over in China, companies there have little incentive to innovate, thus you will not be running a PC with chips designed by a Chinese company anytime soon. Similarly, you won’t be taking any medications developed in China in the foreseeable future. There’s just no incentive to innovate when it doesn’t lead to a competitive advantage due to copying.

[Ash Housewares]

I think the distinction made earlier (can’t recall who brought it up) about innovative societies versus societies who just copy what others are doing is the key thing here.

The difference boils down to whether or not a country has laws and enforcement policies to protect intellectual property. China is notorious for piracy and corporate espionage. Until intellectual property is taken seriously over in China, companies there have little incentive to innovate, thus you will not be running a PC with chips designed by a Chinese company anytime soon. Similarly, you won’t be taking any medications developed in China in the foreseeable future. There’s just no incentive to innovate when it doesn’t lead to a competitive advantage due to copying.

[kewp]

China has more honor students than we have students

US population == 301,924,790

China’s population == 1,319,175,330

(courtesy of population clocks)

Having an additional billion people sure helps matters!

[kewp]

China has more honor students than we have students

US population == 301,924,790

China’s population == 1,319,175,330

(courtesy of population clocks)

Having an additional billion people sure helps matters!

[Coronita]

Let's just quit beating around the bush. Asians, in general, have genetically superior brains

 

Oh boy… Let's not go there…

 

Kewp, Don't get me wrong. I think America has some of the most brilliant/creative people. Let's just take a look at raw noble prize winners. Very few from asia and other countries relative to the ones here…..

BUT….

I think the average Americans are deluded in thinking they're better the other people in other parts or the world. There are a handle of people that are truely brilliant. But most Americans (me included) are not that person. If you take a look at the average american, they do a pretty piss ass job at managing money.  I don't necessarily blame them, because our government isn't exactly a role model. And if you take our systems, several americans really don't take their education seriously until it's too late…Just my observation.

 

[Coronita]

Let's just quit beating around the bush. Asians, in general, have genetically superior brains

 

Oh boy… Let's not go there…

 

Kewp, Don't get me wrong. I think America has some of the most brilliant/creative people. Let's just take a look at raw noble prize winners. Very few from asia and other countries relative to the ones here…..

BUT….

I think the average Americans are deluded in thinking they're better the other people in other parts or the world. There are a handle of people that are truely brilliant. But most Americans (me included) are not that person. If you take a look at the average american, they do a pretty piss ass job at managing money.  I don't necessarily blame them, because our government isn't exactly a role model. And if you take our systems, several americans really don't take their education seriously until it's too late…Just my observation.

 

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Here’s an email I got probably by accident. Americans need not apply.

Dennis Smith wrote:

Urgent openings for full time position (Oracle DBA)

Hi,

This is Dennis from HD Dimension Corp. which deals with IT
staffing, consulting, recruiting and resourcing. I have got your profile
from job portal and it is my pleasure to let you know that your profile
matches with several job openings with us …….

HD Dimension Corp is a DNB certified company in serving its Fortune
500 clients in IT Consulting and Staffing. We have several openings with
our Client projects across USA. We are looking for excellent people who
can take on challenge and perform as Wall Street professional …….

Our Clients are JPMC, Microsoft, AT & T, CISCO, Merrill Lynch, Goldman
Sachs, Citigroup, and many more ……

For further information visit our website http://www.hddimension.com

Our openings:

Oracle DBA.

What you need to qualify:

– Master/Bachelors in any Technology/Engineering or having knowledge
about UNIX, oracle 9i, 10g, Database, SQL ..
– Valid work Authorization in USA.
– Freshers can apply.

Fully Industry oriented onsite training with FREE ACCOMODATION.

Training (Must Required) & Job Opportunity (100 % Guaranteed)

Summary: We provide industrial-strength training on Oracle DBA and job
opportunities (100 % guaranteed)……
Training Starts On : 18th August ..

Training Duration: Five weeks ( core Oracle DBA Training and BOOT Camp
process with grooming sessions and free guidance from mentor ) ….

Class Description: Small class size with around 10 people free
accommodation during Training ……

Training Fee : $1500 (to be paid by the candidate) , because we will
guarantee you a full time job with a minimum of $ 55k to $ 65k per
annum initially with a definite chance of salary hike (10 %) twice a
year and medical benefits 22 days paid annual leaves ……

Training place: 3312 Town Court South, Lawrenceville, NJ, USA 08648.

What we offer to you:

– Full Time permanent job.
– Working with Billion Dollar projects of Fortune 500 companies.
– H1B Sponsorship.
– Green card Sponsorship.
– Benefits like Medical, Dental, Vision etc.
– Aggressive Salaries with 10% increment annually.
– Performance Evaluation every six months.
– Offer letter for CPT application…..

Interested candidates, who want to grab this 100% (Guaranteed) job
opportunity followed by this compulsory industry oriented training with
upfront payment, send me your updated Resume in word format along with
your current visa status ASAP and we will guarantee you with 100 % job
opportunity (full time) after successful completion of the training
along with visa sponsorship …..

Shoot off your resume along with your visa status ASAP…
Looking forward to your reply, so that we can move accordingly before
time runs out…..

Urgent requirement for Oracle DBA

In case of any queries ,

Contact : Dennis Smith
Telephone : 732-546-3995 , 732-658-5270
Email : [email protected]
Website : http://www.hddimension.com
Company Name : HD Dimension Corp.
Company Address :
5 Independence Way
Suite 300
Princeton, NJ 08540

[kewp]

Training Fee : $1500 (to be paid by the candidate) , because we will
guarantee you a full time job with a minimum of $ 55k to $ 65k per
annum initially with a definite chance of salary hike (10 %) twice a
year and medical benefits 22 days paid annual leaves ……

Sounds like a scam. I’m glad American’s need not apply!

[kewp]

Training Fee : $1500 (to be paid by the candidate) , because we will
guarantee you a full time job with a minimum of $ 55k to $ 65k per
annum initially with a definite chance of salary hike (10 %) twice a
year and medical benefits 22 days paid annual leaves ……

Sounds like a scam. I’m glad American’s need not apply!

[one_muggle]

Wow… this racist anti-american thread is back!?
I thought the motto here was bring data, let’s see
Nobel Prizes as of 2006
USA:160
Japan: 12 (nope, didn’t forget a zero)
China: 5
FWIW: Poland nudges out Japan with 14, and Ireland follows closely with 10 (just pointing that out since I am a 1st generation McPollack myself–wonder if I get any “hybrid vigor”).
What data is out there to refute American’s dominance in innovation? Maybe more recent inventions? Like the transistor, computer, internet, world wide web (BTW:not the same thing), Google–but those are American too…

An admittedly anecdotal story:my uncle, who was but a babe when he got to these shores is now a self-made multi-millionaire. Not bad for a lazy, good for nothing Mick. Good thing all these Asians weren’t around back then to muck things up for him ;^)

The logic (or rather lack)here seems to be: People from another country to US universities because Americans are less intelligent…right. Makes no sense. People come to our universities because they know ours are among the best in the world. On balance that great sucking sound one hears is a brain drain from the rest of the world to the US. The reason Americans don’t flock to higher education (post graduate) is that it is hard and often does not payoff financially, at least not much more than a BA or BS (maybe a Masters), especially for smart, motivated native speakers.

The reason Asians and other immigrants do so well upon coming here is simple. Anyone with the energy, courage and ability to up and leave their homeland, and support system (family), as well as learn a new language and culture has already shown themselves to be better. Better than the average American and better than their average countrymen. The average immigrant is not your average person. These days the average American goes to college. Not so in most countries. So, it should not be surprizing that the average foreign college student is better then the average American.

But maybe it is the genes?
Two thousand years ago the Chinese became astronomers, pondering the universe. These days most are dirt farmers or factory workers. I guess their genes went bad. Two thousand years ago the Arabs had sewers, while the Euros were throwing crap out their windows. Now Arabs (not in direct power) scratch out livings while the Euros sip lattes wondering how to integrate the 20% of the population with no formal education–mostly Arab. Guess their genes got dated too.

Or maybe it has something to do with opportunity… no, that would put the burden back on us to do well. After all, you are probably average–by definition 8^P. Well, back to Pro-Wrestling, my TiVo is full of Paris Hilton interviews, so I can’t record it.

-one Ugly American muggle

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