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June 4, 2007 at 10:03 PM #56653June 4, 2007 at 10:49 PM #56638
NotCranky
Participant“No, nature is a very powerful force. Yes, some people are born evil.”
In your story,jg maybe the adopted kid was weak? Knowing that he was abandoned by his bioligigal parents was enough to drive him over the edge. How can you know that if the roles were swapped between the two infants that the other son would not have been the murderer. You can’t.How can you know for sure how that ideal adoptive family actually behaved? You can’t.Look how long we did not know so many boys were being molested by gay pedophile men of the cloth. Your story is a fairy tale. It is convenient to believe that people are evil especially if you are Catholic.I believe people are weak or strong on a continuem throughout humanity,that is in line with a real understanding of nature too.”Born Evil” sounds like something from a fairy tale.It takes much less humanity to believe that people are evil then to believe that people are weak.I am more christian than you are and I have to keep myself from publically scoffing at religion.
You will probably ignore me as you did on the immigrant thread where I gave you a lesson in humanity as well. It is your choice….
June 4, 2007 at 10:49 PM #56661Participant“No, nature is a very powerful force. Yes, some people are born evil.”
In your story,jg maybe the adopted kid was weak? Knowing that he was abandoned by his bioligigal parents was enough to drive him over the edge. How can you know that if the roles were swapped between the two infants that the other son would not have been the murderer. You can’t.How can you know for sure how that ideal adoptive family actually behaved? You can’t.Look how long we did not know so many boys were being molested by gay pedophile men of the cloth. Your story is a fairy tale. It is convenient to believe that people are evil especially if you are Catholic.I believe people are weak or strong on a continuem throughout humanity,that is in line with a real understanding of nature too.”Born Evil” sounds like something from a fairy tale.It takes much less humanity to believe that people are evil then to believe that people are weak.I am more christian than you are and I have to keep myself from publically scoffing at religion.
You will probably ignore me as you did on the immigrant thread where I gave you a lesson in humanity as well. It is your choice….
June 5, 2007 at 4:04 AM #56658lostkitty
ParticipantRustico-
I think religion is nice for kids that age. Makes them feel good.As for the getting “easily distracted with other interesting pursuits”… have you ever heard of Barbara Sher? She writes really interesting stuff about that. It is called being “scanner” and I am definitely one too! I have an endless array of ideas I am interested in. I cycle through them, and some i come back too, some I do not.
Any of her books make for good reading (and quick, funny, too) and help you focus and take action on those ideas. They are usually at the library…..
K
June 5, 2007 at 4:04 AM #56681ParticipantRustico-
I think religion is nice for kids that age. Makes them feel good.As for the getting “easily distracted with other interesting pursuits”… have you ever heard of Barbara Sher? She writes really interesting stuff about that. It is called being “scanner” and I am definitely one too! I have an endless array of ideas I am interested in. I cycle through them, and some i come back too, some I do not.
Any of her books make for good reading (and quick, funny, too) and help you focus and take action on those ideas. They are usually at the library…..
K
June 5, 2007 at 7:20 AM #56676Participant“think religion is nice for kids that age. Makes them feel good.” It was great for me as long as “Jesus Loves the Little Children” and free snow cones was as far as it got. Unfortunately it got much more unacceptable as time passed, you know, learned about being ashamed of myself, the inquisition and things like that!.Who knows if we had stayed in the church JG and I could be ideological partners on the blog? My wife and I are planning on taking the kids to a Unitarian Congregation that I participated in off and on prior to getting married.Maybe I would enjoy it more with a family too? Seeing them get something out of it would be enough though. Of course you understand that already!
Lost Kitty “scanner” sounds so much better then scatter brained and lazy! You have piqued my interest with the book and I will read it. Thanks so much!
June 5, 2007 at 7:20 AM #56699Participant“think religion is nice for kids that age. Makes them feel good.” It was great for me as long as “Jesus Loves the Little Children” and free snow cones was as far as it got. Unfortunately it got much more unacceptable as time passed, you know, learned about being ashamed of myself, the inquisition and things like that!.Who knows if we had stayed in the church JG and I could be ideological partners on the blog? My wife and I are planning on taking the kids to a Unitarian Congregation that I participated in off and on prior to getting married.Maybe I would enjoy it more with a family too? Seeing them get something out of it would be enough though. Of course you understand that already!
Lost Kitty “scanner” sounds so much better then scatter brained and lazy! You have piqued my interest with the book and I will read it. Thanks so much!
June 5, 2007 at 7:28 AM #56678CardiffBaseball
ParticipantWhat is all this talk of guilt and shame? Too many religious right types drive people away I suppose.
"Come to me, all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Grace, the forgotten word.
June 5, 2007 at 7:28 AM #56701ParticipantWhat is all this talk of guilt and shame? Too many religious right types drive people away I suppose.
"Come to me, all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Grace, the forgotten word.
June 5, 2007 at 7:29 AM #56680ParticipantThe book is called “Refuse to Choose”. Like i said, it should be at the library.
Will change the way you think about everything you do. People like us tend to get a lot of prejects piled up behind us and “unfinished”. This’ll drag you down and make you feel like you cant complete anything – BUT – it is all in how you think about it!
Since reading her books (I saw her on PBS in 2003 the first time) I now accomplish MUCH more. I leave just as much unfinished, but i dont care about that stuff anymore. If it is interesting to me… I am confident I’ll come back to it someday. If not, well then i didnt need to waste any more time on it anyway!
I just love the author. She’s brilliant.
June 5, 2007 at 7:29 AM #56703ParticipantThe book is called “Refuse to Choose”. Like i said, it should be at the library.
Will change the way you think about everything you do. People like us tend to get a lot of prejects piled up behind us and “unfinished”. This’ll drag you down and make you feel like you cant complete anything – BUT – it is all in how you think about it!
Since reading her books (I saw her on PBS in 2003 the first time) I now accomplish MUCH more. I leave just as much unfinished, but i dont care about that stuff anymore. If it is interesting to me… I am confident I’ll come back to it someday. If not, well then i didnt need to waste any more time on it anyway!
I just love the author. She’s brilliant.
June 5, 2007 at 9:22 PM #56964cyphire
ParticipantMy kids like Harry Potter. The difference is that they know it’s fiction. I got lots of life lessons from the books of Robert Heinlein and other great authors. If I started a church and called it PotterWorld and proclaimed Harry as god, most people would scoff at me. I would be ridiculed.
So imagine my dismay at being in a world where perfectly intelligent people insist that because their parents told them so that there is a God – and anyone who doesn’t believe is somehow wrong…
Seriously – I’m not against religion – people can believe anything they want – I’m against people not keeping it to themselves (They are starting to scare me). As it happens I don’t profess that Harry Potter is god, but if I did I would keep it to myself.
June 5, 2007 at 9:22 PM #56987ParticipantMy kids like Harry Potter. The difference is that they know it’s fiction. I got lots of life lessons from the books of Robert Heinlein and other great authors. If I started a church and called it PotterWorld and proclaimed Harry as god, most people would scoff at me. I would be ridiculed.
So imagine my dismay at being in a world where perfectly intelligent people insist that because their parents told them so that there is a God – and anyone who doesn’t believe is somehow wrong…
Seriously – I’m not against religion – people can believe anything they want – I’m against people not keeping it to themselves (They are starting to scare me). As it happens I don’t profess that Harry Potter is god, but if I did I would keep it to myself.
June 6, 2007 at 8:03 AM #57039Anonymous
GuestOh, quit being so narrow-minded, cyphire. You libs proclaim your views on ‘Bush being an idiot,’ ‘Drive a Prius before you heat us,’ etc. We conservatives proclaim our views on the primacy of Christianity. What’s the difference?
I’m willing to tolerate your silly views on politics because you have worthwhile perspectives on real estate and the economy. Extend us conservatives with defensible perspectives on real estate and economy the same courtesy, please.
June 6, 2007 at 8:03 AM #57061GuestOh, quit being so narrow-minded, cyphire. You libs proclaim your views on ‘Bush being an idiot,’ ‘Drive a Prius before you heat us,’ etc. We conservatives proclaim our views on the primacy of Christianity. What’s the difference?
I’m willing to tolerate your silly views on politics because you have worthwhile perspectives on real estate and the economy. Extend us conservatives with defensible perspectives on real estate and economy the same courtesy, please.
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