Illegal immigration

[DWCAP]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.[/quote]

Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them. [/quote]

Well, that is something code wise that needs to be fixed. Alittle inforcement of LL’s who feel they can house people like sardines and well see how rents go. Problem is, there is alot of demand for cheap housing, and little supply. People wouldnt be living that way if it wasnt their only choice.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

Both areas are college kid areas. UCSD (MM) and Clairmont(USD/SDCC) are older neightborhoods that now house large numbers of college kids; 1 person/car per bedroom. The problem is these areas were not built for that kind of density, and have 1 or MAYBE 2 spots per rental, with between 2-6 persons per rental. SO everyone else spills out onto the street. I dont know if id blame theses areas parking problems on immigrants. College kids are much worse, espeically when it is 5-6 in a 4/2 house and the garage is storage/5th bedroom and not a place to put cars.
And before we all go off on a rant about minidorms, the real problem is city zoning that doesnt/has never/will never seem to understand that colleges bring students; students who need affordable places to stay close to class.

[Eugene]

[quote]Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.[/quote]

To be fair, there is no legal way for a random Mexican to immigrate into the U.S. And that’s the way we want it. Considering the income gap between Mexico and the U.S., Mexicans will always want to come over here. I can’t blame them. If I were one of them, I’d climb over the fence too. It’s up to Americans to enforce the law.

[Eugene]

[quote]Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.[/quote]

To be fair, there is no legal way for a random Mexican to immigrate into the U.S. And that’s the way we want it. Considering the income gap between Mexico and the U.S., Mexicans will always want to come over here. I can’t blame them. If I were one of them, I’d climb over the fence too. It’s up to Americans to enforce the law.

[Eugene]

[quote]Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.[/quote]

To be fair, there is no legal way for a random Mexican to immigrate into the U.S. And that’s the way we want it. Considering the income gap between Mexico and the U.S., Mexicans will always want to come over here. I can’t blame them. If I were one of them, I’d climb over the fence too. It’s up to Americans to enforce the law.

[Eugene]

[quote]Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.[/quote]

To be fair, there is no legal way for a random Mexican to immigrate into the U.S. And that’s the way we want it. Considering the income gap between Mexico and the U.S., Mexicans will always want to come over here. I can’t blame them. If I were one of them, I’d climb over the fence too. It’s up to Americans to enforce the law.

[Eugene]

[quote]Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.[/quote]

To be fair, there is no legal way for a random Mexican to immigrate into the U.S. And that’s the way we want it. Considering the income gap between Mexico and the U.S., Mexicans will always want to come over here. I can’t blame them. If I were one of them, I’d climb over the fence too. It’s up to Americans to enforce the law.

[patientrenter]

The current system will not change soon, because there is a powerful coalition of interests for more and more immigration, preferably of illegals and the poor, from both of our major parties.

It suits a majority of businessmen to have a large supply of cheap* labor, preferably of illegal immigrants because they have less bargaining power than legal immigrants or natives, and these businessmen transmit their preferences to the (usually) Republican politicians most sympathetic to them. It suits Democratic politicians directly to admit a large number of poor and uneducated immigrants, because these immigrants generate future Democratic voters. Examples: California used to be Republican. Orange County was a bastion of Republicanism.

Both sides recognize that the resulting mockery of law offends a significant number of voters. So they support ineffective measures to limit illegal immigration, such as border fences, or they set themselves up in opposition to ridiculously easy amnesty proposals. And most of the voters fall for it.

*Cheap as measured by the direct costs borne by the employer. Adding in the cost of educating the illegal immigrants’ children, subsidizing their rents, their uninsured accidents etc, they may not be cheap. But those costs are borne by taxpayers in general, not directly by the hiring employer, so the illegal immigrants appear to be cheap. Illegal immigration is a taxpayer subsidy for employers and a growth source for the Democratic party.

[patientrenter]

The current system will not change soon, because there is a powerful coalition of interests for more and more immigration, preferably of illegals and the poor, from both of our major parties.

It suits a majority of businessmen to have a large supply of cheap* labor, preferably of illegal immigrants because they have less bargaining power than legal immigrants or natives, and these businessmen transmit their preferences to the (usually) Republican politicians most sympathetic to them. It suits Democratic politicians directly to admit a large number of poor and uneducated immigrants, because these immigrants generate future Democratic voters. Examples: California used to be Republican. Orange County was a bastion of Republicanism.

Both sides recognize that the resulting mockery of law offends a significant number of voters. So they support ineffective measures to limit illegal immigration, such as border fences, or they set themselves up in opposition to ridiculously easy amnesty proposals. And most of the voters fall for it.

*Cheap as measured by the direct costs borne by the employer. Adding in the cost of educating the illegal immigrants’ children, subsidizing their rents, their uninsured accidents etc, they may not be cheap. But those costs are borne by taxpayers in general, not directly by the hiring employer, so the illegal immigrants appear to be cheap. Illegal immigration is a taxpayer subsidy for employers and a growth source for the Democratic party.

[patientrenter]

The current system will not change soon, because there is a powerful coalition of interests for more and more immigration, preferably of illegals and the poor, from both of our major parties.

It suits a majority of businessmen to have a large supply of cheap* labor, preferably of illegal immigrants because they have less bargaining power than legal immigrants or natives, and these businessmen transmit their preferences to the (usually) Republican politicians most sympathetic to them. It suits Democratic politicians directly to admit a large number of poor and uneducated immigrants, because these immigrants generate future Democratic voters. Examples: California used to be Republican. Orange County was a bastion of Republicanism.

Both sides recognize that the resulting mockery of law offends a significant number of voters. So they support ineffective measures to limit illegal immigration, such as border fences, or they set themselves up in opposition to ridiculously easy amnesty proposals. And most of the voters fall for it.

*Cheap as measured by the direct costs borne by the employer. Adding in the cost of educating the illegal immigrants’ children, subsidizing their rents, their uninsured accidents etc, they may not be cheap. But those costs are borne by taxpayers in general, not directly by the hiring employer, so the illegal immigrants appear to be cheap. Illegal immigration is a taxpayer subsidy for employers and a growth source for the Democratic party.

[patientrenter]

The current system will not change soon, because there is a powerful coalition of interests for more and more immigration, preferably of illegals and the poor, from both of our major parties.

It suits a majority of businessmen to have a large supply of cheap* labor, preferably of illegal immigrants because they have less bargaining power than legal immigrants or natives, and these businessmen transmit their preferences to the (usually) Republican politicians most sympathetic to them. It suits Democratic politicians directly to admit a large number of poor and uneducated immigrants, because these immigrants generate future Democratic voters. Examples: California used to be Republican. Orange County was a bastion of Republicanism.

Both sides recognize that the resulting mockery of law offends a significant number of voters. So they support ineffective measures to limit illegal immigration, such as border fences, or they set themselves up in opposition to ridiculously easy amnesty proposals. And most of the voters fall for it.

*Cheap as measured by the direct costs borne by the employer. Adding in the cost of educating the illegal immigrants’ children, subsidizing their rents, their uninsured accidents etc, they may not be cheap. But those costs are borne by taxpayers in general, not directly by the hiring employer, so the illegal immigrants appear to be cheap. Illegal immigration is a taxpayer subsidy for employers and a growth source for the Democratic party.

[patientrenter]

The current system will not change soon, because there is a powerful coalition of interests for more and more immigration, preferably of illegals and the poor, from both of our major parties.

It suits a majority of businessmen to have a large supply of cheap* labor, preferably of illegal immigrants because they have less bargaining power than legal immigrants or natives, and these businessmen transmit their preferences to the (usually) Republican politicians most sympathetic to them. It suits Democratic politicians directly to admit a large number of poor and uneducated immigrants, because these immigrants generate future Democratic voters. Examples: California used to be Republican. Orange County was a bastion of Republicanism.

Both sides recognize that the resulting mockery of law offends a significant number of voters. So they support ineffective measures to limit illegal immigration, such as border fences, or they set themselves up in opposition to ridiculously easy amnesty proposals. And most of the voters fall for it.

*Cheap as measured by the direct costs borne by the employer. Adding in the cost of educating the illegal immigrants’ children, subsidizing their rents, their uninsured accidents etc, they may not be cheap. But those costs are borne by taxpayers in general, not directly by the hiring employer, so the illegal immigrants appear to be cheap. Illegal immigration is a taxpayer subsidy for employers and a growth source for the Democratic party.

[boyle_heights]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by [b]both some American businesses[/b], and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.[/quote]

The fact that small businesses are one of the biggest supporters of making many of these workers legal is something that is not talked about enough.

Another thing that people ignore is the taxes these workers pay but never get back because they dont’ file taxes. I read somewhere that this number adds up to billions and it is one of the big money makers for the US Govt. I’ll try to locate the article but it stated that it was one of the reasons the gov’t didn’t really want to crack down on illegal immigration. They take a public stance but privately don’t want to crack down.

[boyle_heights]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by [b]both some American businesses[/b], and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.[/quote]

The fact that small businesses are one of the biggest supporters of making many of these workers legal is something that is not talked about enough.

Another thing that people ignore is the taxes these workers pay but never get back because they dont’ file taxes. I read somewhere that this number adds up to billions and it is one of the big money makers for the US Govt. I’ll try to locate the article but it stated that it was one of the reasons the gov’t didn’t really want to crack down on illegal immigration. They take a public stance but privately don’t want to crack down.

[boyle_heights]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by [b]both some American businesses[/b], and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.[/quote]

The fact that small businesses are one of the biggest supporters of making many of these workers legal is something that is not talked about enough.

Another thing that people ignore is the taxes these workers pay but never get back because they dont’ file taxes. I read somewhere that this number adds up to billions and it is one of the big money makers for the US Govt. I’ll try to locate the article but it stated that it was one of the reasons the gov’t didn’t really want to crack down on illegal immigration. They take a public stance but privately don’t want to crack down.

[boyle_heights]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by [b]both some American businesses[/b], and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.[/quote]

The fact that small businesses are one of the biggest supporters of making many of these workers legal is something that is not talked about enough.

Another thing that people ignore is the taxes these workers pay but never get back because they dont’ file taxes. I read somewhere that this number adds up to billions and it is one of the big money makers for the US Govt. I’ll try to locate the article but it stated that it was one of the reasons the gov’t didn’t really want to crack down on illegal immigration. They take a public stance but privately don’t want to crack down.

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