Illegal immigration

[CricketOnTheHearth]

It’s my impression that illegals are first hired/first fired, and also that many of them provide “optional” services– gardening, restaurant bussing, etc. As legal citizens pull in their spending horns due to the economy, these spending items might be the first to go.

Some anecdotes:

1) A commentor on another econ blog, some number of months ago, said that the “brown” people (whether green card or illegal) working construction were the first to be let go. She had talked to a Guatemalan guy who was planning to go back to Central America to look for work there, because work had dried up here. This was before we saw the dip in construction employment numbers here in SD/on Rich’s charts. My take was that the “shadow employees” were let go first, hiding the impact on overall construction employment till later in the housing downturn.

2) A headline in the U-T, a couple of months ago, said that Tijuana border crossing traffic was way down.

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What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.

I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them.

It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by both some American businesses, and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by both some American businesses, and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by both some American businesses, and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by both some American businesses, and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

And if the freakin’ Mexican government would create a climate there that is friendly to, rather than hostile to small business, maybe the Mexicans could start their own businesses and stay there instead of having to brave 1,000 miles of desert/snakes/bandidos etc just to come up here and cram 15 to a house and wire money back to their families in Mexico.

The whole “illegal immigration” thing is a giant scam by both some American businesses, and the Mexican government… and the little people (us and the Mexican peasants) are caught in the middle, set at each others’ throats for jobs.

[Eugene]

[quote]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

The street where I live in PQ is packed with cars parked along the curb. And I’m pretty sure that there are no illegals here. Just an established neighborhood. Two parents with one car each, every teenager gets a car for his/her 16th birthday, maybe a weekend toy – one can easily have 5 cars in a typical household. Since no one puts their cars in the garage (which is filled with junk and maybe a motorcycle), and there are only 2 parking spots in front of the garage, there’s no choice but to parallel park.

[Eugene]

[quote]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

The street where I live in PQ is packed with cars parked along the curb. And I’m pretty sure that there are no illegals here. Just an established neighborhood. Two parents with one car each, every teenager gets a car for his/her 16th birthday, maybe a weekend toy – one can easily have 5 cars in a typical household. Since no one puts their cars in the garage (which is filled with junk and maybe a motorcycle), and there are only 2 parking spots in front of the garage, there’s no choice but to parallel park.

[Eugene]

[quote]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

The street where I live in PQ is packed with cars parked along the curb. And I’m pretty sure that there are no illegals here. Just an established neighborhood. Two parents with one car each, every teenager gets a car for his/her 16th birthday, maybe a weekend toy – one can easily have 5 cars in a typical household. Since no one puts their cars in the garage (which is filled with junk and maybe a motorcycle), and there are only 2 parking spots in front of the garage, there’s no choice but to parallel park.

[Eugene]

[quote]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

The street where I live in PQ is packed with cars parked along the curb. And I’m pretty sure that there are no illegals here. Just an established neighborhood. Two parents with one car each, every teenager gets a car for his/her 16th birthday, maybe a weekend toy – one can easily have 5 cars in a typical household. Since no one puts their cars in the garage (which is filled with junk and maybe a motorcycle), and there are only 2 parking spots in front of the garage, there’s no choice but to parallel park.

[Eugene]

[quote]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

The street where I live in PQ is packed with cars parked along the curb. And I’m pretty sure that there are no illegals here. Just an established neighborhood. Two parents with one car each, every teenager gets a car for his/her 16th birthday, maybe a weekend toy – one can easily have 5 cars in a typical household. Since no one puts their cars in the garage (which is filled with junk and maybe a motorcycle), and there are only 2 parking spots in front of the garage, there’s no choice but to parallel park.

[DWCAP]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.[/quote]

Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them. [/quote]

Well, that is something code wise that needs to be fixed. Alittle inforcement of LL’s who feel they can house people like sardines and well see how rents go. Problem is, there is alot of demand for cheap housing, and little supply. People wouldnt be living that way if it wasnt their only choice.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

Both areas are college kid areas. UCSD (MM) and Clairmont(USD/SDCC) are older neightborhoods that now house large numbers of college kids; 1 person/car per bedroom. The problem is these areas were not built for that kind of density, and have 1 or MAYBE 2 spots per rental, with between 2-6 persons per rental. SO everyone else spills out onto the street. I dont know if id blame theses areas parking problems on immigrants. College kids are much worse, espeically when it is 5-6 in a 4/2 house and the garage is storage/5th bedroom and not a place to put cars.
And before we all go off on a rant about minidorms, the real problem is city zoning that doesnt/has never/will never seem to understand that colleges bring students; students who need affordable places to stay close to class.

[DWCAP]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.[/quote]

Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them. [/quote]

Well, that is something code wise that needs to be fixed. Alittle inforcement of LL’s who feel they can house people like sardines and well see how rents go. Problem is, there is alot of demand for cheap housing, and little supply. People wouldnt be living that way if it wasnt their only choice.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

Both areas are college kid areas. UCSD (MM) and Clairmont(USD/SDCC) are older neightborhoods that now house large numbers of college kids; 1 person/car per bedroom. The problem is these areas were not built for that kind of density, and have 1 or MAYBE 2 spots per rental, with between 2-6 persons per rental. SO everyone else spills out onto the street. I dont know if id blame theses areas parking problems on immigrants. College kids are much worse, espeically when it is 5-6 in a 4/2 house and the garage is storage/5th bedroom and not a place to put cars.
And before we all go off on a rant about minidorms, the real problem is city zoning that doesnt/has never/will never seem to understand that colleges bring students; students who need affordable places to stay close to class.

[DWCAP]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.[/quote]

Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them. [/quote]

Well, that is something code wise that needs to be fixed. Alittle inforcement of LL’s who feel they can house people like sardines and well see how rents go. Problem is, there is alot of demand for cheap housing, and little supply. People wouldnt be living that way if it wasnt their only choice.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

Both areas are college kid areas. UCSD (MM) and Clairmont(USD/SDCC) are older neightborhoods that now house large numbers of college kids; 1 person/car per bedroom. The problem is these areas were not built for that kind of density, and have 1 or MAYBE 2 spots per rental, with between 2-6 persons per rental. SO everyone else spills out onto the street. I dont know if id blame theses areas parking problems on immigrants. College kids are much worse, espeically when it is 5-6 in a 4/2 house and the garage is storage/5th bedroom and not a place to put cars.
And before we all go off on a rant about minidorms, the real problem is city zoning that doesnt/has never/will never seem to understand that colleges bring students; students who need affordable places to stay close to class.

[DWCAP]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
What I hate is when people on both sides of the argument lump “immigration” and “illegal immigration” together and then everybody gets into a hairball about it. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally or get their green card, it’s the fence-jumpers who get on my nerves.[/quote]

Well said. We have a working system for immigration that the vast majority of Americans have no probelem with. It may not be perfect, but please show my one Government program that is. It is those who feel they can operate outside the system that originate most of the frustration.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]I have to wonder how much the price of housing here in SD is due to illegals cramming 10 and 15 to a house and paying whatever the landlord demands because hey, it’s only a couple hundred each for them. [/quote]

Well, that is something code wise that needs to be fixed. Alittle inforcement of LL’s who feel they can house people like sardines and well see how rents go. Problem is, there is alot of demand for cheap housing, and little supply. People wouldnt be living that way if it wasnt their only choice.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]It’s clear that San Diego housing is overcrowded. Go down any street in Mira Mesa or Clairemont and see how many cars are parked along the curb by people doubling and tripling up in their houses.[/quote]

Both areas are college kid areas. UCSD (MM) and Clairmont(USD/SDCC) are older neightborhoods that now house large numbers of college kids; 1 person/car per bedroom. The problem is these areas were not built for that kind of density, and have 1 or MAYBE 2 spots per rental, with between 2-6 persons per rental. SO everyone else spills out onto the street. I dont know if id blame theses areas parking problems on immigrants. College kids are much worse, espeically when it is 5-6 in a 4/2 house and the garage is storage/5th bedroom and not a place to put cars.
And before we all go off on a rant about minidorms, the real problem is city zoning that doesnt/has never/will never seem to understand that colleges bring students; students who need affordable places to stay close to class.

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