Divorce corp

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter]Which brings me to my next question…

If SAH spouses and alimony awards are “relics from days gone by” and no longer appropriate, would you agree that the tradition of a woman taking a man’s name and naming her children after him is equally inappropriate? After all, these traditions are carried forward from times when women and their children were the property of men. There is far less justification for this tradition than for alimony awards for SAHPs.[/quote]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass if my kids didn’t have my name. That custom is a relic.
If I get married, I will marry up the class ladder, not down, so the mom’s name would probably go farther.

I like how the Spanish hyphenate names.

CAr, you like to point to Europe as an example. Did look at their attitudes regarding sex and marriage?

As far as our system here, it is what it is. People go in with their eyes wide open. I don’t have much sympathy if things don’t work out and they feel screwed.[/quote]

It’s easy to say that you don’t care about your kids having your last name because you’re unlikely to ever have kids. Ask most men out there, and they would most likely disagree with you, entirely. And try polling men to see how many would be willing to take the wife’s name so that the whole family can have the same last name and avoid the hyphen drama, altogether. I’d like to see the results of that poll.[/quote]

The hyphen drama. A play in one act by scarddycat.

People often tout the tax deducti in in real estate but yet never praise the deductibility of alimony.

Make the payment of alimony non deductible and the receipt of it taxed at 50 percent from dollar one and see if that curbs the divorce rate.

[scaredyclassic]

the national trend is toward some reform…endless payouts just don’t sit well with people’s feelings about equality, the potential to work and change and fairness…

really, getting married is such an incredible risk for so many high earners…to not get a prenup is just a sign that when one is in love, one is on drugs so powerful, mindaltering and fuckedup that heroin and cocaine might as well be tea and aspirin.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]Blog star, absolutely, people should have an array of choices to do what makes them happy.

You’re thinking self-fulfillment on an individual and family level. I’m thinking society in general, and policies and laws concerning marriage.

I believe a large number of women (more like a majority) want to be sahp and they want protection. It’s not really about equality in that men can do it too. Men who go about becoming homemakers and seeking provider spouses the same way women do will never make it.[/quote]

Seemed like your personal world view that the options with women are terrible I didn’t really see the policies and law context in your comments so much. Just a lot of naysaying and over exaggeration of how bad women are. I am surprised a progressive liberal doesn’t see all kinds of women they could potentially work with despite a potentially terrible system…almost seems like a hoax.[/quote]

women are bad, but only in the sense that people are bad. we are just kind of lame, weak, subject to major failures, blind, idiotic, shortsighted and dumb.

[NotCranky]

True, but I didn’t need to see that before my shot of morning coffee and prozac….or go lift weights and prove I am not weak and tear my hamstrings and be weaker than when I started to prove the shortsighted folly bit.

[scaredyclassic]

I knew I shouldn’t have reproduced and brought yet more people into this false world of illusion and suffering. Dammit.

[UCGal]

[quote=CDMA ENG]UCgal,

I don’t get it. You home school but they are attending classes as well?

Can you elaborate on the schooling situation?

CE[/quote]
I don’t homeschool – that’s CAR. I don’t have the aptitude or patience to be a teacher.

[FlyerInHi]

Blogstar, you’re thinking harmonious marriages, finding ways that work for you, friends and family supporting your choices, etc…

The context here is marriage, divorce, alimony, contract negotiations. It is adversarial. We’re talking real money here and women has a strong advocate in CAr.

Where’s the brotherhood of men speaking out for our interests?

At least 6paxk said that alimony should be limited and temporary. The non-working spouse needs to adapt to a lower standard of living after divorce, if necessary.

CAr, if you say that women have this yearning and joy from being sahp, then they would do the job no matter what the pay. Why should the employer pay more than market rate? Artists for example work for very little pay because they love what they do. Some make good money, but most don’t. Yet they are still happy.

[FlyerInHi]

Marriage is an anachronism. The whole concept should be abolished.

The industry should be deregulated. Government should get out of the way so people can innovate and create individualized contracts that work for them.

[scaredyclassic]

There is something to be said for blindly jumping off a cliff into the unknown..

had I not gotten married and had a bunch of kids I’m pretty sure I would be more broke today.

Prenups, individual contracts, are as romantic as cardboard condoms.

[scaredyclassic]

Of course, marriage itself is no place for romantics.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=6packscaredy]Of course, marriage itself is no place for romantics.[/quote]

Marriage itself is a big contract, one size fits all, by law.

Wouldn’t it be more romantic to customize your own arrangement?

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Marriage is an anachronism. The whole concept should be abolished.

The industry should be deregulated. Government should get out of the way so people can innovate and create individualized contracts that work for them.[/quote]

My decision not to take the sole breadwinner path was in part because of the government, I wanted to be liberated from the things you guys are legitimately terrified of and from Carenters man v. woman society which I think is prehistoric fantasy and manipulation. It is so condescending the way she says, “men are coming around “, when there is something she likes. ….but I am not in complete disagreement with divorce law especially where kids are concerned. If you want to marry some weak foreigner or some plastic trophy wife, I think there would be lots of risk there, individual contracts would be cool, should be legal, prostitution is probably what you would get but legal and of a little longer term, cool….but if you find a modern woman who can stand on her own two feet , then you will be o.k. too. If you want the other stuff consider you are going to probably pay for it and get on with it….but you love your money too much…what would everyone think of you when the inevitable divorce rip-off occurs? How would you ever recover from your self-fullfilling prophesy of doom that your brotherhood loves so much? That would be worse than dealing with the stigma of being an unwanted man with dogs.

[scaredyclassic]

No.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=6packscaredy]Of course, marriage itself is no place for romantics.[/quote]

Marriage itself is a big contract, one size fits all, by law.

Wouldn’t it be more romantic to customize your own arrangement?[/quote]

No, romantic would be innocent, trusting, head over heals blind love. Prenuptial contracts are not that.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=FlyerInHi]Marriage is an anachronism. The whole concept should be abolished.

The industry should be deregulated. Government should get out of the way so people can innovate and create individualized contracts that work for them.[/quote]

My decision not to take the sole breadwinner path was in part because of the government, I wanted to be liberated from the things you guys are legitimately terrified of and from Carenters man v. woman society which I think is prehistoric fantasy and manipulation. It is so condescending the way she says, “men are coming around “, when there is something she likes. ….but I am not in complete disagreement with divorce law especially where kids are concerned. If you want to marry some weak foreigner or some plastic trophy wife, I think there would be lots of risk there, individual contracts would be cool, should be legal, prostitution is probably what you would get but legal and of a little longer term, cool….but if you find a modern woman who can stand on her own two feet , then you will be o.k. too. If you want the other stuff consider you are going to probably pay for it and get on with it….but you love your money too much…what would everyone think of you when the inevitable divorce rip-off occurs? How would you ever recover from your self-fullfilling prophesy of doom that your brotherhood loves so much? That would be worse than dealing with the stigma of being an unwanted man with dogs.[/quote]

I’m not sure I 100 perc. Understand that but I am 100 perc. In agreement with it.

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