Cry babies on this board

[admin]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don’t like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

[guitar187]

Why do people come to forums and make comments like this? The whole point of this board to to discuss topics, give opinions, etc. with “fellow like minded folks”.

You make an assumption that people that post on a forum don’t take action to make a difference. Simply put, you are ignorant.

[temeculaguy]

Guitar187, interesting id, you’ll have to explain guitar “murder” (the penal code 187) at a later date, I bet it’s a good story. Welcome aboard, 1st post I’ve seem from you and it was an intelligent one. Don’t let the op’s venom get to you, it had a point. Most of us could care less that that the conforming loan limit will be raised, it’s repackaging of cigarettes. Marlborro lights don’t make anyone think they are suddenly good for you, the cat is out of the bag about the negative health effects of cigarettes and the cat is also out of the bag with regards to the r/e bubble. The bounce that R/E will get will be short lived because the reason the bubble started wasn’t the rate but the liar loans made to people who lacked the ability to pay them back. No investor is going to loan 700k to someone who can’t prove their income and everyone who can prove it already has a house. The perception that R/E can’t go down fueled the bubble, that party is over for at least a decade, now people will evaluate the next ten years when buying, not the next ten months. Truth be told, a national dollar cap is absurd, we live in a different world than the rest of the country, the stimulus package is also out of whack, what homeowner makes less than 75k gross in So Cal? Nothing will deny the invisible hand, no matter how much sugar they put in the kool aid, the line to drink it will be nearly empty.

[temeculaguy]

Guitar187, interesting id, you’ll have to explain guitar “murder” (the penal code 187) at a later date, I bet it’s a good story. Welcome aboard, 1st post I’ve seem from you and it was an intelligent one. Don’t let the op’s venom get to you, it had a point. Most of us could care less that that the conforming loan limit will be raised, it’s repackaging of cigarettes. Marlborro lights don’t make anyone think they are suddenly good for you, the cat is out of the bag about the negative health effects of cigarettes and the cat is also out of the bag with regards to the r/e bubble. The bounce that R/E will get will be short lived because the reason the bubble started wasn’t the rate but the liar loans made to people who lacked the ability to pay them back. No investor is going to loan 700k to someone who can’t prove their income and everyone who can prove it already has a house. The perception that R/E can’t go down fueled the bubble, that party is over for at least a decade, now people will evaluate the next ten years when buying, not the next ten months. Truth be told, a national dollar cap is absurd, we live in a different world than the rest of the country, the stimulus package is also out of whack, what homeowner makes less than 75k gross in So Cal? Nothing will deny the invisible hand, no matter how much sugar they put in the kool aid, the line to drink it will be nearly empty.

[temeculaguy]

Guitar187, interesting id, you’ll have to explain guitar “murder” (the penal code 187) at a later date, I bet it’s a good story. Welcome aboard, 1st post I’ve seem from you and it was an intelligent one. Don’t let the op’s venom get to you, it had a point. Most of us could care less that that the conforming loan limit will be raised, it’s repackaging of cigarettes. Marlborro lights don’t make anyone think they are suddenly good for you, the cat is out of the bag about the negative health effects of cigarettes and the cat is also out of the bag with regards to the r/e bubble. The bounce that R/E will get will be short lived because the reason the bubble started wasn’t the rate but the liar loans made to people who lacked the ability to pay them back. No investor is going to loan 700k to someone who can’t prove their income and everyone who can prove it already has a house. The perception that R/E can’t go down fueled the bubble, that party is over for at least a decade, now people will evaluate the next ten years when buying, not the next ten months. Truth be told, a national dollar cap is absurd, we live in a different world than the rest of the country, the stimulus package is also out of whack, what homeowner makes less than 75k gross in So Cal? Nothing will deny the invisible hand, no matter how much sugar they put in the kool aid, the line to drink it will be nearly empty.

[temeculaguy]

Guitar187, interesting id, you’ll have to explain guitar “murder” (the penal code 187) at a later date, I bet it’s a good story. Welcome aboard, 1st post I’ve seem from you and it was an intelligent one. Don’t let the op’s venom get to you, it had a point. Most of us could care less that that the conforming loan limit will be raised, it’s repackaging of cigarettes. Marlborro lights don’t make anyone think they are suddenly good for you, the cat is out of the bag about the negative health effects of cigarettes and the cat is also out of the bag with regards to the r/e bubble. The bounce that R/E will get will be short lived because the reason the bubble started wasn’t the rate but the liar loans made to people who lacked the ability to pay them back. No investor is going to loan 700k to someone who can’t prove their income and everyone who can prove it already has a house. The perception that R/E can’t go down fueled the bubble, that party is over for at least a decade, now people will evaluate the next ten years when buying, not the next ten months. Truth be told, a national dollar cap is absurd, we live in a different world than the rest of the country, the stimulus package is also out of whack, what homeowner makes less than 75k gross in So Cal? Nothing will deny the invisible hand, no matter how much sugar they put in the kool aid, the line to drink it will be nearly empty.

[temeculaguy]

Guitar187, interesting id, you’ll have to explain guitar “murder” (the penal code 187) at a later date, I bet it’s a good story. Welcome aboard, 1st post I’ve seem from you and it was an intelligent one. Don’t let the op’s venom get to you, it had a point. Most of us could care less that that the conforming loan limit will be raised, it’s repackaging of cigarettes. Marlborro lights don’t make anyone think they are suddenly good for you, the cat is out of the bag about the negative health effects of cigarettes and the cat is also out of the bag with regards to the r/e bubble. The bounce that R/E will get will be short lived because the reason the bubble started wasn’t the rate but the liar loans made to people who lacked the ability to pay them back. No investor is going to loan 700k to someone who can’t prove their income and everyone who can prove it already has a house. The perception that R/E can’t go down fueled the bubble, that party is over for at least a decade, now people will evaluate the next ten years when buying, not the next ten months. Truth be told, a national dollar cap is absurd, we live in a different world than the rest of the country, the stimulus package is also out of whack, what homeowner makes less than 75k gross in So Cal? Nothing will deny the invisible hand, no matter how much sugar they put in the kool aid, the line to drink it will be nearly empty.

[Alex_angel]

Well said new guy. The crying coupled with the negativity and sprinkle in all of the nostradubasses and you have a mix of piggington people

[Bugs]

Actually, I think that the internet forums are having quite a bit of impact on trends. The MSM frequently follows leads and repeats analyses that were first developed by regular folks on various internet forums. Some of those forums have more influence than others. Piggs have been quoted in the SD Tribune and the LA Times, with and without attribution, on a number of occasions. Even the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times have picked up a byline or two that was originally developed here.

I daresay a Joe Average citizen who can research, analyze and communicate their opinions in a cogent manner can exert far more influence by participating in a reasonably moderated internet forum than they can by writing 200 letters to politicians who won’t do anything that isn’t supported by poll numbers.

This is something the DC crowd has been learning the hard way.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical.

I often visit DC and it seems to me everything there is over-politicized. Everything from what you drink and eat to which hand you wipe your ass with, is viewed in terms of politics.

I think coming from there to any part of the US, the people would seem apolitical.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical.

I often visit DC and it seems to me everything there is over-politicized. Everything from what you drink and eat to which hand you wipe your ass with, is viewed in terms of politics.

I think coming from there to any part of the US, the people would seem apolitical.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical.

I often visit DC and it seems to me everything there is over-politicized. Everything from what you drink and eat to which hand you wipe your ass with, is viewed in terms of politics.

I think coming from there to any part of the US, the people would seem apolitical.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical.

I often visit DC and it seems to me everything there is over-politicized. Everything from what you drink and eat to which hand you wipe your ass with, is viewed in terms of politics.

I think coming from there to any part of the US, the people would seem apolitical.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical.

I often visit DC and it seems to me everything there is over-politicized. Everything from what you drink and eat to which hand you wipe your ass with, is viewed in terms of politics.

I think coming from there to any part of the US, the people would seem apolitical.

[sdrealtor]

Whats the big deal here. The OP is coming from DC. Of course he/she is far more politically sensitive. Talk to someone from NYC and they’ll decry the lack of good restaurants, nightlife or culture. If we were in DC we’d be crying about the lack of decent surf or outdoor activities.

Move along. Nothing to see here……….

[sdrealtor]

Whats the big deal here. The OP is coming from DC. Of course he/she is far more politically sensitive. Talk to someone from NYC and they’ll decry the lack of good restaurants, nightlife or culture. If we were in DC we’d be crying about the lack of decent surf or outdoor activities.

Move along. Nothing to see here……….

[sdrealtor]

Whats the big deal here. The OP is coming from DC. Of course he/she is far more politically sensitive. Talk to someone from NYC and they’ll decry the lack of good restaurants, nightlife or culture. If we were in DC we’d be crying about the lack of decent surf or outdoor activities.

Move along. Nothing to see here……….

[sdrealtor]

Whats the big deal here. The OP is coming from DC. Of course he/she is far more politically sensitive. Talk to someone from NYC and they’ll decry the lack of good restaurants, nightlife or culture. If we were in DC we’d be crying about the lack of decent surf or outdoor activities.

Move along. Nothing to see here……….

[sdrealtor]

Whats the big deal here. The OP is coming from DC. Of course he/she is far more politically sensitive. Talk to someone from NYC and they’ll decry the lack of good restaurants, nightlife or culture. If we were in DC we’d be crying about the lack of decent surf or outdoor activities.

Move along. Nothing to see here……….

[Bugs]

Actually, I think that the internet forums are having quite a bit of impact on trends. The MSM frequently follows leads and repeats analyses that were first developed by regular folks on various internet forums. Some of those forums have more influence than others. Piggs have been quoted in the SD Tribune and the LA Times, with and without attribution, on a number of occasions. Even the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times have picked up a byline or two that was originally developed here.

I daresay a Joe Average citizen who can research, analyze and communicate their opinions in a cogent manner can exert far more influence by participating in a reasonably moderated internet forum than they can by writing 200 letters to politicians who won’t do anything that isn’t supported by poll numbers.

This is something the DC crowd has been learning the hard way.

[Bugs]

Actually, I think that the internet forums are having quite a bit of impact on trends. The MSM frequently follows leads and repeats analyses that were first developed by regular folks on various internet forums. Some of those forums have more influence than others. Piggs have been quoted in the SD Tribune and the LA Times, with and without attribution, on a number of occasions. Even the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times have picked up a byline or two that was originally developed here.

I daresay a Joe Average citizen who can research, analyze and communicate their opinions in a cogent manner can exert far more influence by participating in a reasonably moderated internet forum than they can by writing 200 letters to politicians who won’t do anything that isn’t supported by poll numbers.

This is something the DC crowd has been learning the hard way.

[Bugs]

Actually, I think that the internet forums are having quite a bit of impact on trends. The MSM frequently follows leads and repeats analyses that were first developed by regular folks on various internet forums. Some of those forums have more influence than others. Piggs have been quoted in the SD Tribune and the LA Times, with and without attribution, on a number of occasions. Even the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times have picked up a byline or two that was originally developed here.

I daresay a Joe Average citizen who can research, analyze and communicate their opinions in a cogent manner can exert far more influence by participating in a reasonably moderated internet forum than they can by writing 200 letters to politicians who won’t do anything that isn’t supported by poll numbers.

This is something the DC crowd has been learning the hard way.

[Bugs]

Actually, I think that the internet forums are having quite a bit of impact on trends. The MSM frequently follows leads and repeats analyses that were first developed by regular folks on various internet forums. Some of those forums have more influence than others. Piggs have been quoted in the SD Tribune and the LA Times, with and without attribution, on a number of occasions. Even the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times have picked up a byline or two that was originally developed here.

I daresay a Joe Average citizen who can research, analyze and communicate their opinions in a cogent manner can exert far more influence by participating in a reasonably moderated internet forum than they can by writing 200 letters to politicians who won’t do anything that isn’t supported by poll numbers.

This is something the DC crowd has been learning the hard way.

[Alex_angel]

Well said new guy. The crying coupled with the negativity and sprinkle in all of the nostradubasses and you have a mix of piggington people

[Alex_angel]

Well said new guy. The crying coupled with the negativity and sprinkle in all of the nostradubasses and you have a mix of piggington people

[Alex_angel]

Well said new guy. The crying coupled with the negativity and sprinkle in all of the nostradubasses and you have a mix of piggington people

[Alex_angel]

Well said new guy. The crying coupled with the negativity and sprinkle in all of the nostradubasses and you have a mix of piggington people

[guitar187]

Why do people come to forums and make comments like this? The whole point of this board to to discuss topics, give opinions, etc. with “fellow like minded folks”.

You make an assumption that people that post on a forum don’t take action to make a difference. Simply put, you are ignorant.

[guitar187]

Why do people come to forums and make comments like this? The whole point of this board to to discuss topics, give opinions, etc. with “fellow like minded folks”.

You make an assumption that people that post on a forum don’t take action to make a difference. Simply put, you are ignorant.

[guitar187]

Why do people come to forums and make comments like this? The whole point of this board to to discuss topics, give opinions, etc. with “fellow like minded folks”.

You make an assumption that people that post on a forum don’t take action to make a difference. Simply put, you are ignorant.

[guitar187]

Why do people come to forums and make comments like this? The whole point of this board to to discuss topics, give opinions, etc. with “fellow like minded folks”.

You make an assumption that people that post on a forum don’t take action to make a difference. Simply put, you are ignorant.

[Coronita]

There's always one of these trolls every couple of weeks….

You get a cookie.

Wah wah wah. I'm just crying now about government demonstrating perpetual incompetance. Yeah, get involved in politics. I use to have this coworker, who the only thing he did was talk/act politics. Come to think of it, he spent so much time talking about politics, that fat fvck didn't do any work, couldn't manage his money, and on top of that wanted the gov to bail out people like him.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

There's always one of these trolls every couple of weeks….

You get a cookie.

Wah wah wah. I'm just crying now about government demonstrating perpetual incompetance. Yeah, get involved in politics. I use to have this coworker, who the only thing he did was talk/act politics. Come to think of it, he spent so much time talking about politics, that fat fvck didn't do any work, couldn't manage his money, and on top of that wanted the gov to bail out people like him.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

There's always one of these trolls every couple of weeks….

You get a cookie.

Wah wah wah. I'm just crying now about government demonstrating perpetual incompetance. Yeah, get involved in politics. I use to have this coworker, who the only thing he did was talk/act politics. Come to think of it, he spent so much time talking about politics, that fat fvck didn't do any work, couldn't manage his money, and on top of that wanted the gov to bail out people like him.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

There's always one of these trolls every couple of weeks….

You get a cookie.

Wah wah wah. I'm just crying now about government demonstrating perpetual incompetance. Yeah, get involved in politics. I use to have this coworker, who the only thing he did was talk/act politics. Come to think of it, he spent so much time talking about politics, that fat fvck didn't do any work, couldn't manage his money, and on top of that wanted the gov to bail out people like him.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

There's always one of these trolls every couple of weeks….

You get a cookie.

Wah wah wah. I'm just crying now about government demonstrating perpetual incompetance. Yeah, get involved in politics. I use to have this coworker, who the only thing he did was talk/act politics. Come to think of it, he spent so much time talking about politics, that fat fvck didn't do any work, couldn't manage his money, and on top of that wanted the gov to bail out people like him.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[asragov]

HIGHER rates might be on the way if conforming limits go up, so even if Congress gets its way with the law, the result might be unintended:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080125/bs_nm/usa_mortgages_bonds_jumbo_dc_1;_ylt=Aj0PzGJ0XzTqLlCQ3d9e5SUG1vAI

[NewtoSanDiego]

Point I was trying to make was that most people are better at complaining than actually doing anything.

Do you even know who your city councilmen are? State representatives or Congressmen? Do you take the time to follow what’s going on? Do you care?

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical. But hey then again maybe I’m hanging out at the wrong strip clubs. I generally get blank stares when I talk politics during the lap dance.

I’m not knocking good discussion on web forums, just take some action every once in a while. I bet the most action many of you get is your hands typing away while your spouse watches American Idol (or Grays Anatomy…or substitute here your spouse’s favorite show that you detest)

[Anonymous]

I disliked the tactless way that you made your point, but I must admit that there is some truth to it in a general sense. Whether it specifically applies to people on this board, I don’t think either of us know. In general, I am also sick and tired of hearing people complain, and even complaining myself, and agree that more energy could be put into making change rather than talking about it. But then that isn’t exactly the point of this board is it? The point of this board is to present and share housing related information, not to mobilize a movement or launch campaigns.

[34f3f3f]

I agree with juice. Chat forums are for the exchange of ideas, and to an extent that that may involve venting frustrations, it’s usually tolerated, just as complaining about the weather is.

Aggressive posts always remind me of the guy who honks his horn …surrounded with armor and a quick escape route. Would you walk into a bar and say to a bunch of people face to face “you are cry babies”? The anonymity that the internet gives you needs to be respected.

As far a conforming limits are concerned and taking action, I think it has been pretty widely proven that if you give this government enough rope it will usually hang itself. No need to take any action.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Wa wa wa, I obviously touched a bit of a nerve. Some of you are a bit thin skinned.

Message boards are for the free exchange of ideas. My “idea” was that many of you who post regularly probably don’t do much other than complain. I hope I’m wrong. If you guys can’t take a little criticism than I’ll try to be a bit more vanilla and PC.

This piggington site actually a great source of info on San Diego real estate….keep up the good work. I hope that you guys don’t view me as “troll”. I’m just a concerned citizen. Can’t we all get along? Now back to our regularly scheduled programing….. bitch, bitch, bitch.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Wa wa wa, I obviously touched a bit of a nerve. Some of you are a bit thin skinned.

Message boards are for the free exchange of ideas. My “idea” was that many of you who post regularly probably don’t do much other than complain. I hope I’m wrong. If you guys can’t take a little criticism than I’ll try to be a bit more vanilla and PC.

This piggington site actually a great source of info on San Diego real estate….keep up the good work. I hope that you guys don’t view me as “troll”. I’m just a concerned citizen. Can’t we all get along? Now back to our regularly scheduled programing….. bitch, bitch, bitch.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Wa wa wa, I obviously touched a bit of a nerve. Some of you are a bit thin skinned.

Message boards are for the free exchange of ideas. My “idea” was that many of you who post regularly probably don’t do much other than complain. I hope I’m wrong. If you guys can’t take a little criticism than I’ll try to be a bit more vanilla and PC.

This piggington site actually a great source of info on San Diego real estate….keep up the good work. I hope that you guys don’t view me as “troll”. I’m just a concerned citizen. Can’t we all get along? Now back to our regularly scheduled programing….. bitch, bitch, bitch.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Wa wa wa, I obviously touched a bit of a nerve. Some of you are a bit thin skinned.

Message boards are for the free exchange of ideas. My “idea” was that many of you who post regularly probably don’t do much other than complain. I hope I’m wrong. If you guys can’t take a little criticism than I’ll try to be a bit more vanilla and PC.

This piggington site actually a great source of info on San Diego real estate….keep up the good work. I hope that you guys don’t view me as “troll”. I’m just a concerned citizen. Can’t we all get along? Now back to our regularly scheduled programing….. bitch, bitch, bitch.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Wa wa wa, I obviously touched a bit of a nerve. Some of you are a bit thin skinned.

Message boards are for the free exchange of ideas. My “idea” was that many of you who post regularly probably don’t do much other than complain. I hope I’m wrong. If you guys can’t take a little criticism than I’ll try to be a bit more vanilla and PC.

This piggington site actually a great source of info on San Diego real estate….keep up the good work. I hope that you guys don’t view me as “troll”. I’m just a concerned citizen. Can’t we all get along? Now back to our regularly scheduled programing….. bitch, bitch, bitch.

[NotCranky]

The complaining doesn’t bother me except for the “I am a victim” posts and those that lack circumspection or depth whatsoever in favor of self centered whining.

I think the only way we could really get the attention of the ruling class is an economic revolution.IT would be so easy. I don’t believe we could agree on how we would want them to be if we did scare them and so we won’t cooperate or risk harm to ourselves by being the first,of the likely few,to venture against the machine.

Those of us who would like to see such a thing can at least take action by how we spend and what material things we aspire to. Quit spending, quit wanting to spend. Quit needing your job to the highest degree possible. We could go on a necessities only strike….when piggs fly.

Appealing to the ruling class on their terms won’t do anything. I doubt the average person’s participation in the political scheme, voting for various people and on agendas spoon fed to us is going to do much either.
I like Ron Paul.

[paramount]

I found the initial comments boring – why bother stating the obvious. “Take action, stop complaining” – it’s a well worn message, nothing new there. And yet as a person from the DC area myself, the lack of originality fits.

Writing letters/emails to congress – waste of time, will be in the trash in a nano-second.

The most effective action the average citizen can take: educate yourself on the issues and candidates and then vote accordingly. Sorry, I just had to state the obvious.

[NewtoSanDiego]

I agree voting is most effective, but it is not the only avenue for you to do something.

Money is also key, contribute to organizations that you believe in.

The Center for Responsible Lending was the voice in the wilderness a couple years back railing against Lending abuses and the housing bubble. They lobby the hill agressively trying to counter the big money lobbyist from banking and real estate.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/

There’s countless other organizations, local, state, national that try influence public policy.

Just put your Dollars where your beliefs are.

I agree, letter writing and callng your congressperson is only of very limited effectiveness. But believe it or not, they actually tally it (grunt work for a Hill intern). In a small way it may influence politicians. These folks are always trying to assess public opinion

Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc..

Or just go back to watching reruns of American Idol.

[NewtoSanDiego]

I agree voting is most effective, but it is not the only avenue for you to do something.

Money is also key, contribute to organizations that you believe in.

The Center for Responsible Lending was the voice in the wilderness a couple years back railing against Lending abuses and the housing bubble. They lobby the hill agressively trying to counter the big money lobbyist from banking and real estate.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/

There’s countless other organizations, local, state, national that try influence public policy.

Just put your Dollars where your beliefs are.

I agree, letter writing and callng your congressperson is only of very limited effectiveness. But believe it or not, they actually tally it (grunt work for a Hill intern). In a small way it may influence politicians. These folks are always trying to assess public opinion

Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc..

Or just go back to watching reruns of American Idol.

[NewtoSanDiego]

I agree voting is most effective, but it is not the only avenue for you to do something.

Money is also key, contribute to organizations that you believe in.

The Center for Responsible Lending was the voice in the wilderness a couple years back railing against Lending abuses and the housing bubble. They lobby the hill agressively trying to counter the big money lobbyist from banking and real estate.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/

There’s countless other organizations, local, state, national that try influence public policy.

Just put your Dollars where your beliefs are.

I agree, letter writing and callng your congressperson is only of very limited effectiveness. But believe it or not, they actually tally it (grunt work for a Hill intern). In a small way it may influence politicians. These folks are always trying to assess public opinion

Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc..

Or just go back to watching reruns of American Idol.

[NewtoSanDiego]

I agree voting is most effective, but it is not the only avenue for you to do something.

Money is also key, contribute to organizations that you believe in.

The Center for Responsible Lending was the voice in the wilderness a couple years back railing against Lending abuses and the housing bubble. They lobby the hill agressively trying to counter the big money lobbyist from banking and real estate.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/

There’s countless other organizations, local, state, national that try influence public policy.

Just put your Dollars where your beliefs are.

I agree, letter writing and callng your congressperson is only of very limited effectiveness. But believe it or not, they actually tally it (grunt work for a Hill intern). In a small way it may influence politicians. These folks are always trying to assess public opinion

Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc..

Or just go back to watching reruns of American Idol.

[NewtoSanDiego]

I agree voting is most effective, but it is not the only avenue for you to do something.

Money is also key, contribute to organizations that you believe in.

The Center for Responsible Lending was the voice in the wilderness a couple years back railing against Lending abuses and the housing bubble. They lobby the hill agressively trying to counter the big money lobbyist from banking and real estate.

http://www.responsiblelending.org/

There’s countless other organizations, local, state, national that try influence public policy.

Just put your Dollars where your beliefs are.

I agree, letter writing and callng your congressperson is only of very limited effectiveness. But believe it or not, they actually tally it (grunt work for a Hill intern). In a small way it may influence politicians. These folks are always trying to assess public opinion

Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc..

Or just go back to watching reruns of American Idol.

[drunkle]

action? why? stimulus sounds nice. I’d like some stimulus.

limits? fha? we dont like no stinkin limits and regulations anyways.

this isn’t welfare or a bailout or a rescue plan for irresponsible, even criminal behaviour. heck, the economy is strong, it’s not in trouble, we’re doing great. this stimulus is only to make things even better and who doesn’t want that?

[drunkle]

action? why? stimulus sounds nice. I’d like some stimulus.

limits? fha? we dont like no stinkin limits and regulations anyways.

this isn’t welfare or a bailout or a rescue plan for irresponsible, even criminal behaviour. heck, the economy is strong, it’s not in trouble, we’re doing great. this stimulus is only to make things even better and who doesn’t want that?

[drunkle]

action? why? stimulus sounds nice. I’d like some stimulus.

limits? fha? we dont like no stinkin limits and regulations anyways.

this isn’t welfare or a bailout or a rescue plan for irresponsible, even criminal behaviour. heck, the economy is strong, it’s not in trouble, we’re doing great. this stimulus is only to make things even better and who doesn’t want that?

[drunkle]

action? why? stimulus sounds nice. I’d like some stimulus.

limits? fha? we dont like no stinkin limits and regulations anyways.

this isn’t welfare or a bailout or a rescue plan for irresponsible, even criminal behaviour. heck, the economy is strong, it’s not in trouble, we’re doing great. this stimulus is only to make things even better and who doesn’t want that?

[drunkle]

action? why? stimulus sounds nice. I’d like some stimulus.

limits? fha? we dont like no stinkin limits and regulations anyways.

this isn’t welfare or a bailout or a rescue plan for irresponsible, even criminal behaviour. heck, the economy is strong, it’s not in trouble, we’re doing great. this stimulus is only to make things even better and who doesn’t want that?

[paramount]

I found the initial comments boring – why bother stating the obvious. “Take action, stop complaining” – it’s a well worn message, nothing new there. And yet as a person from the DC area myself, the lack of originality fits.

Writing letters/emails to congress – waste of time, will be in the trash in a nano-second.

The most effective action the average citizen can take: educate yourself on the issues and candidates and then vote accordingly. Sorry, I just had to state the obvious.

[paramount]

I found the initial comments boring – why bother stating the obvious. “Take action, stop complaining” – it’s a well worn message, nothing new there. And yet as a person from the DC area myself, the lack of originality fits.

Writing letters/emails to congress – waste of time, will be in the trash in a nano-second.

The most effective action the average citizen can take: educate yourself on the issues and candidates and then vote accordingly. Sorry, I just had to state the obvious.

[paramount]

I found the initial comments boring – why bother stating the obvious. “Take action, stop complaining” – it’s a well worn message, nothing new there. And yet as a person from the DC area myself, the lack of originality fits.

Writing letters/emails to congress – waste of time, will be in the trash in a nano-second.

The most effective action the average citizen can take: educate yourself on the issues and candidates and then vote accordingly. Sorry, I just had to state the obvious.

[paramount]

I found the initial comments boring – why bother stating the obvious. “Take action, stop complaining” – it’s a well worn message, nothing new there. And yet as a person from the DC area myself, the lack of originality fits.

Writing letters/emails to congress – waste of time, will be in the trash in a nano-second.

The most effective action the average citizen can take: educate yourself on the issues and candidates and then vote accordingly. Sorry, I just had to state the obvious.

[NotCranky]

The complaining doesn’t bother me except for the “I am a victim” posts and those that lack circumspection or depth whatsoever in favor of self centered whining.

I think the only way we could really get the attention of the ruling class is an economic revolution.IT would be so easy. I don’t believe we could agree on how we would want them to be if we did scare them and so we won’t cooperate or risk harm to ourselves by being the first,of the likely few,to venture against the machine.

Those of us who would like to see such a thing can at least take action by how we spend and what material things we aspire to. Quit spending, quit wanting to spend. Quit needing your job to the highest degree possible. We could go on a necessities only strike….when piggs fly.

Appealing to the ruling class on their terms won’t do anything. I doubt the average person’s participation in the political scheme, voting for various people and on agendas spoon fed to us is going to do much either.
I like Ron Paul.

[NotCranky]

The complaining doesn’t bother me except for the “I am a victim” posts and those that lack circumspection or depth whatsoever in favor of self centered whining.

I think the only way we could really get the attention of the ruling class is an economic revolution.IT would be so easy. I don’t believe we could agree on how we would want them to be if we did scare them and so we won’t cooperate or risk harm to ourselves by being the first,of the likely few,to venture against the machine.

Those of us who would like to see such a thing can at least take action by how we spend and what material things we aspire to. Quit spending, quit wanting to spend. Quit needing your job to the highest degree possible. We could go on a necessities only strike….when piggs fly.

Appealing to the ruling class on their terms won’t do anything. I doubt the average person’s participation in the political scheme, voting for various people and on agendas spoon fed to us is going to do much either.
I like Ron Paul.

[NotCranky]

The complaining doesn’t bother me except for the “I am a victim” posts and those that lack circumspection or depth whatsoever in favor of self centered whining.

I think the only way we could really get the attention of the ruling class is an economic revolution.IT would be so easy. I don’t believe we could agree on how we would want them to be if we did scare them and so we won’t cooperate or risk harm to ourselves by being the first,of the likely few,to venture against the machine.

Those of us who would like to see such a thing can at least take action by how we spend and what material things we aspire to. Quit spending, quit wanting to spend. Quit needing your job to the highest degree possible. We could go on a necessities only strike….when piggs fly.

Appealing to the ruling class on their terms won’t do anything. I doubt the average person’s participation in the political scheme, voting for various people and on agendas spoon fed to us is going to do much either.
I like Ron Paul.

[NotCranky]

The complaining doesn’t bother me except for the “I am a victim” posts and those that lack circumspection or depth whatsoever in favor of self centered whining.

I think the only way we could really get the attention of the ruling class is an economic revolution.IT would be so easy. I don’t believe we could agree on how we would want them to be if we did scare them and so we won’t cooperate or risk harm to ourselves by being the first,of the likely few,to venture against the machine.

Those of us who would like to see such a thing can at least take action by how we spend and what material things we aspire to. Quit spending, quit wanting to spend. Quit needing your job to the highest degree possible. We could go on a necessities only strike….when piggs fly.

Appealing to the ruling class on their terms won’t do anything. I doubt the average person’s participation in the political scheme, voting for various people and on agendas spoon fed to us is going to do much either.
I like Ron Paul.

[34f3f3f]

I agree with juice. Chat forums are for the exchange of ideas, and to an extent that that may involve venting frustrations, it’s usually tolerated, just as complaining about the weather is.

Aggressive posts always remind me of the guy who honks his horn …surrounded with armor and a quick escape route. Would you walk into a bar and say to a bunch of people face to face “you are cry babies”? The anonymity that the internet gives you needs to be respected.

As far a conforming limits are concerned and taking action, I think it has been pretty widely proven that if you give this government enough rope it will usually hang itself. No need to take any action.

[34f3f3f]

I agree with juice. Chat forums are for the exchange of ideas, and to an extent that that may involve venting frustrations, it’s usually tolerated, just as complaining about the weather is.

Aggressive posts always remind me of the guy who honks his horn …surrounded with armor and a quick escape route. Would you walk into a bar and say to a bunch of people face to face “you are cry babies”? The anonymity that the internet gives you needs to be respected.

As far a conforming limits are concerned and taking action, I think it has been pretty widely proven that if you give this government enough rope it will usually hang itself. No need to take any action.

[34f3f3f]

I agree with juice. Chat forums are for the exchange of ideas, and to an extent that that may involve venting frustrations, it’s usually tolerated, just as complaining about the weather is.

Aggressive posts always remind me of the guy who honks his horn …surrounded with armor and a quick escape route. Would you walk into a bar and say to a bunch of people face to face “you are cry babies”? The anonymity that the internet gives you needs to be respected.

As far a conforming limits are concerned and taking action, I think it has been pretty widely proven that if you give this government enough rope it will usually hang itself. No need to take any action.

[34f3f3f]

I agree with juice. Chat forums are for the exchange of ideas, and to an extent that that may involve venting frustrations, it’s usually tolerated, just as complaining about the weather is.

Aggressive posts always remind me of the guy who honks his horn …surrounded with armor and a quick escape route. Would you walk into a bar and say to a bunch of people face to face “you are cry babies”? The anonymity that the internet gives you needs to be respected.

As far a conforming limits are concerned and taking action, I think it has been pretty widely proven that if you give this government enough rope it will usually hang itself. No need to take any action.

[Anonymous]

I disliked the tactless way that you made your point, but I must admit that there is some truth to it in a general sense. Whether it specifically applies to people on this board, I don’t think either of us know. In general, I am also sick and tired of hearing people complain, and even complaining myself, and agree that more energy could be put into making change rather than talking about it. But then that isn’t exactly the point of this board is it? The point of this board is to present and share housing related information, not to mobilize a movement or launch campaigns.

[Anonymous]

I disliked the tactless way that you made your point, but I must admit that there is some truth to it in a general sense. Whether it specifically applies to people on this board, I don’t think either of us know. In general, I am also sick and tired of hearing people complain, and even complaining myself, and agree that more energy could be put into making change rather than talking about it. But then that isn’t exactly the point of this board is it? The point of this board is to present and share housing related information, not to mobilize a movement or launch campaigns.

[Anonymous]

I disliked the tactless way that you made your point, but I must admit that there is some truth to it in a general sense. Whether it specifically applies to people on this board, I don’t think either of us know. In general, I am also sick and tired of hearing people complain, and even complaining myself, and agree that more energy could be put into making change rather than talking about it. But then that isn’t exactly the point of this board is it? The point of this board is to present and share housing related information, not to mobilize a movement or launch campaigns.

[Anonymous]

I disliked the tactless way that you made your point, but I must admit that there is some truth to it in a general sense. Whether it specifically applies to people on this board, I don’t think either of us know. In general, I am also sick and tired of hearing people complain, and even complaining myself, and agree that more energy could be put into making change rather than talking about it. But then that isn’t exactly the point of this board is it? The point of this board is to present and share housing related information, not to mobilize a movement or launch campaigns.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Point I was trying to make was that most people are better at complaining than actually doing anything.

Do you even know who your city councilmen are? State representatives or Congressmen? Do you take the time to follow what’s going on? Do you care?

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical. But hey then again maybe I’m hanging out at the wrong strip clubs. I generally get blank stares when I talk politics during the lap dance.

I’m not knocking good discussion on web forums, just take some action every once in a while. I bet the most action many of you get is your hands typing away while your spouse watches American Idol (or Grays Anatomy…or substitute here your spouse’s favorite show that you detest)

[NewtoSanDiego]

Point I was trying to make was that most people are better at complaining than actually doing anything.

Do you even know who your city councilmen are? State representatives or Congressmen? Do you take the time to follow what’s going on? Do you care?

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical. But hey then again maybe I’m hanging out at the wrong strip clubs. I generally get blank stares when I talk politics during the lap dance.

I’m not knocking good discussion on web forums, just take some action every once in a while. I bet the most action many of you get is your hands typing away while your spouse watches American Idol (or Grays Anatomy…or substitute here your spouse’s favorite show that you detest)

[NewtoSanDiego]

Point I was trying to make was that most people are better at complaining than actually doing anything.

Do you even know who your city councilmen are? State representatives or Congressmen? Do you take the time to follow what’s going on? Do you care?

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical. But hey then again maybe I’m hanging out at the wrong strip clubs. I generally get blank stares when I talk politics during the lap dance.

I’m not knocking good discussion on web forums, just take some action every once in a while. I bet the most action many of you get is your hands typing away while your spouse watches American Idol (or Grays Anatomy…or substitute here your spouse’s favorite show that you detest)

[NewtoSanDiego]

Point I was trying to make was that most people are better at complaining than actually doing anything.

Do you even know who your city councilmen are? State representatives or Congressmen? Do you take the time to follow what’s going on? Do you care?

As a recent transplant out from DC area, I’ve noticed that locals out here seem to be generally apolitical. But hey then again maybe I’m hanging out at the wrong strip clubs. I generally get blank stares when I talk politics during the lap dance.

I’m not knocking good discussion on web forums, just take some action every once in a while. I bet the most action many of you get is your hands typing away while your spouse watches American Idol (or Grays Anatomy…or substitute here your spouse’s favorite show that you detest)

[asragov]

HIGHER rates might be on the way if conforming limits go up, so even if Congress gets its way with the law, the result might be unintended:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080125/bs_nm/usa_mortgages_bonds_jumbo_dc_1;_ylt=Aj0PzGJ0XzTqLlCQ3d9e5SUG1vAI

[asragov]

HIGHER rates might be on the way if conforming limits go up, so even if Congress gets its way with the law, the result might be unintended:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080125/bs_nm/usa_mortgages_bonds_jumbo_dc_1;_ylt=Aj0PzGJ0XzTqLlCQ3d9e5SUG1vAI

[asragov]

HIGHER rates might be on the way if conforming limits go up, so even if Congress gets its way with the law, the result might be unintended:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080125/bs_nm/usa_mortgages_bonds_jumbo_dc_1;_ylt=Aj0PzGJ0XzTqLlCQ3d9e5SUG1vAI

[asragov]

HIGHER rates might be on the way if conforming limits go up, so even if Congress gets its way with the law, the result might be unintended:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080125/bs_nm/usa_mortgages_bonds_jumbo_dc_1;_ylt=Aj0PzGJ0XzTqLlCQ3d9e5SUG1vAI

[Running Bear]

NewtoSD

I’m not getting excited about this stuff because it is totally predictable. I don’t think anyone on here really believed that this government would stand by and do nothing with home ownership at around 70%. It is just when they come up with quick fixes that waste valuable tax dollars for short term fixes that is frustrating.

Most of the people trying to make the policies and decisions don’t really know what is going on with the average middle class American. They don’t have friends or family that are getting hurt yet so they know there is a problem but they don’t understand it. Because of this they are working on short term stimulus packages that won’t help fix the real problem.

I believe we are in a massive asset/credit bubble right now and there are many Americans and businesses that are in the 3rd stage of Ponzi borrowing. They can’t service their debt or even the interest on their debt and without easy money and asset inflation they are going under. This is a cycle that was predicted and needs to be worked out of the economy. If we manage to push it off down the road a few years it will only make it that much worse.

As a country what we should be doing is innovating and creating a new industry for our county to lead the world in. I believe that energy and the short supply of it in the future should be this direction. We should be leading the world in solar, wind, geo-thermal, hydrogen fuel cell, etc.

I am too tired to write letters and be pissed at the short sightedness of politicians that are in office for 2-6 years and know they only get re-elected if big business funds their campaigns. When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) Until we have campaign finance reform and get big business out of the pockets of politicians, I will put my time and energy to more productive activities.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

NewtoSD

I’m not getting excited about this stuff because it is totally predictable. I don’t think anyone on here really believed that this government would stand by and do nothing with home ownership at around 70%. It is just when they come up with quick fixes that waste valuable tax dollars for short term fixes that is frustrating.

Most of the people trying to make the policies and decisions don’t really know what is going on with the average middle class American. They don’t have friends or family that are getting hurt yet so they know there is a problem but they don’t understand it. Because of this they are working on short term stimulus packages that won’t help fix the real problem.

I believe we are in a massive asset/credit bubble right now and there are many Americans and businesses that are in the 3rd stage of Ponzi borrowing. They can’t service their debt or even the interest on their debt and without easy money and asset inflation they are going under. This is a cycle that was predicted and needs to be worked out of the economy. If we manage to push it off down the road a few years it will only make it that much worse.

As a country what we should be doing is innovating and creating a new industry for our county to lead the world in. I believe that energy and the short supply of it in the future should be this direction. We should be leading the world in solar, wind, geo-thermal, hydrogen fuel cell, etc.

I am too tired to write letters and be pissed at the short sightedness of politicians that are in office for 2-6 years and know they only get re-elected if big business funds their campaigns. When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) Until we have campaign finance reform and get big business out of the pockets of politicians, I will put my time and energy to more productive activities.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

NewtoSD

I’m not getting excited about this stuff because it is totally predictable. I don’t think anyone on here really believed that this government would stand by and do nothing with home ownership at around 70%. It is just when they come up with quick fixes that waste valuable tax dollars for short term fixes that is frustrating.

Most of the people trying to make the policies and decisions don’t really know what is going on with the average middle class American. They don’t have friends or family that are getting hurt yet so they know there is a problem but they don’t understand it. Because of this they are working on short term stimulus packages that won’t help fix the real problem.

I believe we are in a massive asset/credit bubble right now and there are many Americans and businesses that are in the 3rd stage of Ponzi borrowing. They can’t service their debt or even the interest on their debt and without easy money and asset inflation they are going under. This is a cycle that was predicted and needs to be worked out of the economy. If we manage to push it off down the road a few years it will only make it that much worse.

As a country what we should be doing is innovating and creating a new industry for our county to lead the world in. I believe that energy and the short supply of it in the future should be this direction. We should be leading the world in solar, wind, geo-thermal, hydrogen fuel cell, etc.

I am too tired to write letters and be pissed at the short sightedness of politicians that are in office for 2-6 years and know they only get re-elected if big business funds their campaigns. When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) Until we have campaign finance reform and get big business out of the pockets of politicians, I will put my time and energy to more productive activities.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

NewtoSD

I’m not getting excited about this stuff because it is totally predictable. I don’t think anyone on here really believed that this government would stand by and do nothing with home ownership at around 70%. It is just when they come up with quick fixes that waste valuable tax dollars for short term fixes that is frustrating.

Most of the people trying to make the policies and decisions don’t really know what is going on with the average middle class American. They don’t have friends or family that are getting hurt yet so they know there is a problem but they don’t understand it. Because of this they are working on short term stimulus packages that won’t help fix the real problem.

I believe we are in a massive asset/credit bubble right now and there are many Americans and businesses that are in the 3rd stage of Ponzi borrowing. They can’t service their debt or even the interest on their debt and without easy money and asset inflation they are going under. This is a cycle that was predicted and needs to be worked out of the economy. If we manage to push it off down the road a few years it will only make it that much worse.

As a country what we should be doing is innovating and creating a new industry for our county to lead the world in. I believe that energy and the short supply of it in the future should be this direction. We should be leading the world in solar, wind, geo-thermal, hydrogen fuel cell, etc.

I am too tired to write letters and be pissed at the short sightedness of politicians that are in office for 2-6 years and know they only get re-elected if big business funds their campaigns. When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) Until we have campaign finance reform and get big business out of the pockets of politicians, I will put my time and energy to more productive activities.

My2Cents

[Running Bear]

NewtoSD

I’m not getting excited about this stuff because it is totally predictable. I don’t think anyone on here really believed that this government would stand by and do nothing with home ownership at around 70%. It is just when they come up with quick fixes that waste valuable tax dollars for short term fixes that is frustrating.

Most of the people trying to make the policies and decisions don’t really know what is going on with the average middle class American. They don’t have friends or family that are getting hurt yet so they know there is a problem but they don’t understand it. Because of this they are working on short term stimulus packages that won’t help fix the real problem.

I believe we are in a massive asset/credit bubble right now and there are many Americans and businesses that are in the 3rd stage of Ponzi borrowing. They can’t service their debt or even the interest on their debt and without easy money and asset inflation they are going under. This is a cycle that was predicted and needs to be worked out of the economy. If we manage to push it off down the road a few years it will only make it that much worse.

As a country what we should be doing is innovating and creating a new industry for our county to lead the world in. I believe that energy and the short supply of it in the future should be this direction. We should be leading the world in solar, wind, geo-thermal, hydrogen fuel cell, etc.

I am too tired to write letters and be pissed at the short sightedness of politicians that are in office for 2-6 years and know they only get re-elected if big business funds their campaigns. When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) Until we have campaign finance reform and get big business out of the pockets of politicians, I will put my time and energy to more productive activities.

My2Cents

[BuyerWillEPB]

This guy reminds me of ScruffyDog last year. And we all know how that one turned out. 🙂

Somebody else cache the post this time.

This will be another Classic.

[BuyerWillEPB]

This guy reminds me of ScruffyDog last year. And we all know how that one turned out. 🙂

Somebody else cache the post this time.

This will be another Classic.

[BuyerWillEPB]

This guy reminds me of ScruffyDog last year. And we all know how that one turned out. 🙂

Somebody else cache the post this time.

This will be another Classic.

[BuyerWillEPB]

This guy reminds me of ScruffyDog last year. And we all know how that one turned out. 🙂

Somebody else cache the post this time.

This will be another Classic.

[BuyerWillEPB]

This guy reminds me of ScruffyDog last year. And we all know how that one turned out. 🙂

Somebody else cache the post this time.

This will be another Classic.

[Pasadena Broker]

“When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) ”

I said this same exact thing to someone else.

You get enough pissed/scared human beings together, things happen and governments know this. Bread and circuses for the masses, but we’re running out of bread…

[Aecetia]

Luckily we still have the circus. At least until the football season is over.

[Aecetia]

Luckily we still have the circus. At least until the football season is over.

[Aecetia]

Luckily we still have the circus. At least until the football season is over.

[Aecetia]

Luckily we still have the circus. At least until the football season is over.

[Aecetia]

Luckily we still have the circus. At least until the football season is over.

[Pasadena Broker]

“When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) ”

I said this same exact thing to someone else.

You get enough pissed/scared human beings together, things happen and governments know this. Bread and circuses for the masses, but we’re running out of bread…

[Pasadena Broker]

“When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) ”

I said this same exact thing to someone else.

You get enough pissed/scared human beings together, things happen and governments know this. Bread and circuses for the masses, but we’re running out of bread…

[Pasadena Broker]

“When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) ”

I said this same exact thing to someone else.

You get enough pissed/scared human beings together, things happen and governments know this. Bread and circuses for the masses, but we’re running out of bread…

[Pasadena Broker]

“When the crises gets so bad and the average American wakes up and gets pissed, we will see change.(if we are lucky) ”

I said this same exact thing to someone else.

You get enough pissed/scared human beings together, things happen and governments know this. Bread and circuses for the masses, but we’re running out of bread…

[kewp]

I personally don’t care as I don’t see how anything could make a difference at this point.

People will soon realize that it makes much more sense to toss their keys and buy a cheap foreclosure across the street vs. stretching to make their current payments (regardless of bailout plan). Nothing can stop that tsunami once it gets rolling.

[kewp]

I personally don’t care as I don’t see how anything could make a difference at this point.

People will soon realize that it makes much more sense to toss their keys and buy a cheap foreclosure across the street vs. stretching to make their current payments (regardless of bailout plan). Nothing can stop that tsunami once it gets rolling.

[kewp]

I personally don’t care as I don’t see how anything could make a difference at this point.

People will soon realize that it makes much more sense to toss their keys and buy a cheap foreclosure across the street vs. stretching to make their current payments (regardless of bailout plan). Nothing can stop that tsunami once it gets rolling.

[kewp]

I personally don’t care as I don’t see how anything could make a difference at this point.

People will soon realize that it makes much more sense to toss their keys and buy a cheap foreclosure across the street vs. stretching to make their current payments (regardless of bailout plan). Nothing can stop that tsunami once it gets rolling.

[kewp]

I personally don’t care as I don’t see how anything could make a difference at this point.

People will soon realize that it makes much more sense to toss their keys and buy a cheap foreclosure across the street vs. stretching to make their current payments (regardless of bailout plan). Nothing can stop that tsunami once it gets rolling.

[Coronita]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they're gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don't like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

 

It continues to amaze me how many people think that one individual letter to the senator, 1 vote, or 1 political action by 1 person would have any impact whatsoever and that such an action would constitute "making a difference". Seriously…we're not kids anymore. Can we get off the ideology crap in thinking that your 1 letter to a senator or 1 vote especially in CA would really make a frickin difference? I have nothing against petition drives, collective efforts, or if everyone wanted all the sudden wanted to collectively blast our senators with our complaints, as well as putting a political campaign fund the get our point across (isn't that how's it's really done anyway?) But the sort of 1 individual can make a difference ideology…come on.

Most politicians suck at economics, so it doesn't really matter what's correct.  It's the same people that I've run into in the office that spend all day talking,acting politics, that they don't get any work done or worse disrupt others from getting work done. I had the unfortunate incident of sharing an office with such a freak, and it was too the point that he was so goddamn disruptive to the team, that I had to talk to a few folks to indirectly remove him from the damn project. One time, his waste of time sort of got on my nerves so much that, I flat out asked him that if he loved politics so much, why doesn't he quit his current job and go pursue something in politics. Work for some person's campaign, or something. And the response?…."It doesn't pay enough for me.." Lol! what conviction! And my next question : "why don't you put your money where your mouth is?" No response.

 

BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[NotCranky]

“BTW who here is on Ron Paul’s campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?”
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[Coronita]

"BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?"
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

 

I've been contemplating this for some time. I know he doesn't really have a shot, but frankly I really don't like any other candidate on either other side of the party, though I'm slightly warming to  McCain . The thing that's been holding me back is that the media distorted things into portraying him as a racist. Oh well. I'll carpool for the next few weeks and skip out on a few happy hours, that should do it for a few hundred.

 

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[NotCranky]

I’ve been thinking about it too. At first I was skeptical as he is Republican. I have never been very hopeful of his winning. I see he has been a great success though. I really appreciate what he is saying on foreign policy and economic topics. I love how the mainstream medias bias against him shows exactly what they are about.The libertarian bent is actually invigorating. I do hate guns and gun laws as they are.As ususal, I am not crazy about supporting anyone else. I am going to send his a campaign a little thank you gift too.

[Ricechex]

OK…hijacking this thread….

Writing letters to Senators, Congressman, and even local politicians is a waste of time.

I was working with a young gal that was employed by Halliburton a few years ago, and she was drugged and allegedly gang raped in Iraq. For over 2 years, she could get no justice, the perps went free and there was never a court trial. Jurisdictional loopholes they claimed. DOJ was involved and didn’t do a damn thing.

We sent a well written letter to ALL Senators. Only a few wrote back and they referred to Barbara Boxer, and she never gave us the courtesy of a return letter. Some months later, this woman went on ABC’s 20/20, and NOW the Senate and the House are outraged. One hundred plus House Reps, and numerous Senators (to include Obama and Clinton) have now written to Department of State and the Attorney General to demand action. As much as I have conflict with the media, they were a benefit in this case.

Two years ago, I had a problem with the City. The Water Authority kept giving me the “sorry ma’am” line, it’s not our responsibility. I called Toni Atkins. I emailed her. I sent her snail mail. Called again. I finally talked to one of her staffers. Talked to her again. That woman didn’t do a damn thing. This went on for months.

Feeling pretty helpless and worried that my house was going to sink into the ground due to excessive water, I researched which City Councilperson voted against Condo Conversions. That was Donna Frye. Called her and left a message, and within ONE day, both Donna Frye’s office AND Toni Atkins lame staffer called me. Finally, we had the City’s attention, and the problem was resolved.

Letter writing didn’t help at all.

[bubba99]

Could not agree more. Writing a letter will do nothing, and I am afraid that who you vote for will also have no impact. The two major parties seem to be part of the same bad concepts-they just dress them differently.

The anti-war democrats are still voting to fund Iraq. The anti-social program republicans are begging for bail outs for their Wall Street buddies. The pro liberty democrats not only voted to extend the anti-constitutional patriot act, they intend to make it stronger.

Both parties seem to think that a $1000/family can “kick start” the economy. Both parties have voted time and time again to move jobs overseas as fast as they can. It’s this last one that is so unbelievable. How does me spending a thousand dollars on a Chinese or Japanese product help expand our shrinking jobs market?

Neither party seems to be able to separate US foreign policy from Israeli foreign policy. At least someone should be looking at what is best for America, not America’s powerful allies. Yep maybe I should just write a letter to Feinstein about how I feel, or to Pelosi about her vast funding from the AI Pac.

[bubba99]

Could not agree more. Writing a letter will do nothing, and I am afraid that who you vote for will also have no impact. The two major parties seem to be part of the same bad concepts-they just dress them differently.

The anti-war democrats are still voting to fund Iraq. The anti-social program republicans are begging for bail outs for their Wall Street buddies. The pro liberty democrats not only voted to extend the anti-constitutional patriot act, they intend to make it stronger.

Both parties seem to think that a $1000/family can “kick start” the economy. Both parties have voted time and time again to move jobs overseas as fast as they can. It’s this last one that is so unbelievable. How does me spending a thousand dollars on a Chinese or Japanese product help expand our shrinking jobs market?

Neither party seems to be able to separate US foreign policy from Israeli foreign policy. At least someone should be looking at what is best for America, not America’s powerful allies. Yep maybe I should just write a letter to Feinstein about how I feel, or to Pelosi about her vast funding from the AI Pac.

[bubba99]

Could not agree more. Writing a letter will do nothing, and I am afraid that who you vote for will also have no impact. The two major parties seem to be part of the same bad concepts-they just dress them differently.

The anti-war democrats are still voting to fund Iraq. The anti-social program republicans are begging for bail outs for their Wall Street buddies. The pro liberty democrats not only voted to extend the anti-constitutional patriot act, they intend to make it stronger.

Both parties seem to think that a $1000/family can “kick start” the economy. Both parties have voted time and time again to move jobs overseas as fast as they can. It’s this last one that is so unbelievable. How does me spending a thousand dollars on a Chinese or Japanese product help expand our shrinking jobs market?

Neither party seems to be able to separate US foreign policy from Israeli foreign policy. At least someone should be looking at what is best for America, not America’s powerful allies. Yep maybe I should just write a letter to Feinstein about how I feel, or to Pelosi about her vast funding from the AI Pac.

[bubba99]

Could not agree more. Writing a letter will do nothing, and I am afraid that who you vote for will also have no impact. The two major parties seem to be part of the same bad concepts-they just dress them differently.

The anti-war democrats are still voting to fund Iraq. The anti-social program republicans are begging for bail outs for their Wall Street buddies. The pro liberty democrats not only voted to extend the anti-constitutional patriot act, they intend to make it stronger.

Both parties seem to think that a $1000/family can “kick start” the economy. Both parties have voted time and time again to move jobs overseas as fast as they can. It’s this last one that is so unbelievable. How does me spending a thousand dollars on a Chinese or Japanese product help expand our shrinking jobs market?

Neither party seems to be able to separate US foreign policy from Israeli foreign policy. At least someone should be looking at what is best for America, not America’s powerful allies. Yep maybe I should just write a letter to Feinstein about how I feel, or to Pelosi about her vast funding from the AI Pac.

[bubba99]

Could not agree more. Writing a letter will do nothing, and I am afraid that who you vote for will also have no impact. The two major parties seem to be part of the same bad concepts-they just dress them differently.

The anti-war democrats are still voting to fund Iraq. The anti-social program republicans are begging for bail outs for their Wall Street buddies. The pro liberty democrats not only voted to extend the anti-constitutional patriot act, they intend to make it stronger.

Both parties seem to think that a $1000/family can “kick start” the economy. Both parties have voted time and time again to move jobs overseas as fast as they can. It’s this last one that is so unbelievable. How does me spending a thousand dollars on a Chinese or Japanese product help expand our shrinking jobs market?

Neither party seems to be able to separate US foreign policy from Israeli foreign policy. At least someone should be looking at what is best for America, not America’s powerful allies. Yep maybe I should just write a letter to Feinstein about how I feel, or to Pelosi about her vast funding from the AI Pac.

[Ricechex]

OK…hijacking this thread….

Writing letters to Senators, Congressman, and even local politicians is a waste of time.

I was working with a young gal that was employed by Halliburton a few years ago, and she was drugged and allegedly gang raped in Iraq. For over 2 years, she could get no justice, the perps went free and there was never a court trial. Jurisdictional loopholes they claimed. DOJ was involved and didn’t do a damn thing.

We sent a well written letter to ALL Senators. Only a few wrote back and they referred to Barbara Boxer, and she never gave us the courtesy of a return letter. Some months later, this woman went on ABC’s 20/20, and NOW the Senate and the House are outraged. One hundred plus House Reps, and numerous Senators (to include Obama and Clinton) have now written to Department of State and the Attorney General to demand action. As much as I have conflict with the media, they were a benefit in this case.

Two years ago, I had a problem with the City. The Water Authority kept giving me the “sorry ma’am” line, it’s not our responsibility. I called Toni Atkins. I emailed her. I sent her snail mail. Called again. I finally talked to one of her staffers. Talked to her again. That woman didn’t do a damn thing. This went on for months.

Feeling pretty helpless and worried that my house was going to sink into the ground due to excessive water, I researched which City Councilperson voted against Condo Conversions. That was Donna Frye. Called her and left a message, and within ONE day, both Donna Frye’s office AND Toni Atkins lame staffer called me. Finally, we had the City’s attention, and the problem was resolved.

Letter writing didn’t help at all.

[Ricechex]

OK…hijacking this thread….

Writing letters to Senators, Congressman, and even local politicians is a waste of time.

I was working with a young gal that was employed by Halliburton a few years ago, and she was drugged and allegedly gang raped in Iraq. For over 2 years, she could get no justice, the perps went free and there was never a court trial. Jurisdictional loopholes they claimed. DOJ was involved and didn’t do a damn thing.

We sent a well written letter to ALL Senators. Only a few wrote back and they referred to Barbara Boxer, and she never gave us the courtesy of a return letter. Some months later, this woman went on ABC’s 20/20, and NOW the Senate and the House are outraged. One hundred plus House Reps, and numerous Senators (to include Obama and Clinton) have now written to Department of State and the Attorney General to demand action. As much as I have conflict with the media, they were a benefit in this case.

Two years ago, I had a problem with the City. The Water Authority kept giving me the “sorry ma’am” line, it’s not our responsibility. I called Toni Atkins. I emailed her. I sent her snail mail. Called again. I finally talked to one of her staffers. Talked to her again. That woman didn’t do a damn thing. This went on for months.

Feeling pretty helpless and worried that my house was going to sink into the ground due to excessive water, I researched which City Councilperson voted against Condo Conversions. That was Donna Frye. Called her and left a message, and within ONE day, both Donna Frye’s office AND Toni Atkins lame staffer called me. Finally, we had the City’s attention, and the problem was resolved.

Letter writing didn’t help at all.

[Ricechex]

OK…hijacking this thread….

Writing letters to Senators, Congressman, and even local politicians is a waste of time.

I was working with a young gal that was employed by Halliburton a few years ago, and she was drugged and allegedly gang raped in Iraq. For over 2 years, she could get no justice, the perps went free and there was never a court trial. Jurisdictional loopholes they claimed. DOJ was involved and didn’t do a damn thing.

We sent a well written letter to ALL Senators. Only a few wrote back and they referred to Barbara Boxer, and she never gave us the courtesy of a return letter. Some months later, this woman went on ABC’s 20/20, and NOW the Senate and the House are outraged. One hundred plus House Reps, and numerous Senators (to include Obama and Clinton) have now written to Department of State and the Attorney General to demand action. As much as I have conflict with the media, they were a benefit in this case.

Two years ago, I had a problem with the City. The Water Authority kept giving me the “sorry ma’am” line, it’s not our responsibility. I called Toni Atkins. I emailed her. I sent her snail mail. Called again. I finally talked to one of her staffers. Talked to her again. That woman didn’t do a damn thing. This went on for months.

Feeling pretty helpless and worried that my house was going to sink into the ground due to excessive water, I researched which City Councilperson voted against Condo Conversions. That was Donna Frye. Called her and left a message, and within ONE day, both Donna Frye’s office AND Toni Atkins lame staffer called me. Finally, we had the City’s attention, and the problem was resolved.

Letter writing didn’t help at all.

[Ricechex]

OK…hijacking this thread….

Writing letters to Senators, Congressman, and even local politicians is a waste of time.

I was working with a young gal that was employed by Halliburton a few years ago, and she was drugged and allegedly gang raped in Iraq. For over 2 years, she could get no justice, the perps went free and there was never a court trial. Jurisdictional loopholes they claimed. DOJ was involved and didn’t do a damn thing.

We sent a well written letter to ALL Senators. Only a few wrote back and they referred to Barbara Boxer, and she never gave us the courtesy of a return letter. Some months later, this woman went on ABC’s 20/20, and NOW the Senate and the House are outraged. One hundred plus House Reps, and numerous Senators (to include Obama and Clinton) have now written to Department of State and the Attorney General to demand action. As much as I have conflict with the media, they were a benefit in this case.

Two years ago, I had a problem with the City. The Water Authority kept giving me the “sorry ma’am” line, it’s not our responsibility. I called Toni Atkins. I emailed her. I sent her snail mail. Called again. I finally talked to one of her staffers. Talked to her again. That woman didn’t do a damn thing. This went on for months.

Feeling pretty helpless and worried that my house was going to sink into the ground due to excessive water, I researched which City Councilperson voted against Condo Conversions. That was Donna Frye. Called her and left a message, and within ONE day, both Donna Frye’s office AND Toni Atkins lame staffer called me. Finally, we had the City’s attention, and the problem was resolved.

Letter writing didn’t help at all.

[NotCranky]

I’ve been thinking about it too. At first I was skeptical as he is Republican. I have never been very hopeful of his winning. I see he has been a great success though. I really appreciate what he is saying on foreign policy and economic topics. I love how the mainstream medias bias against him shows exactly what they are about.The libertarian bent is actually invigorating. I do hate guns and gun laws as they are.As ususal, I am not crazy about supporting anyone else. I am going to send his a campaign a little thank you gift too.

[NotCranky]

I’ve been thinking about it too. At first I was skeptical as he is Republican. I have never been very hopeful of his winning. I see he has been a great success though. I really appreciate what he is saying on foreign policy and economic topics. I love how the mainstream medias bias against him shows exactly what they are about.The libertarian bent is actually invigorating. I do hate guns and gun laws as they are.As ususal, I am not crazy about supporting anyone else. I am going to send his a campaign a little thank you gift too.

[NotCranky]

I’ve been thinking about it too. At first I was skeptical as he is Republican. I have never been very hopeful of his winning. I see he has been a great success though. I really appreciate what he is saying on foreign policy and economic topics. I love how the mainstream medias bias against him shows exactly what they are about.The libertarian bent is actually invigorating. I do hate guns and gun laws as they are.As ususal, I am not crazy about supporting anyone else. I am going to send his a campaign a little thank you gift too.

[NotCranky]

I’ve been thinking about it too. At first I was skeptical as he is Republican. I have never been very hopeful of his winning. I see he has been a great success though. I really appreciate what he is saying on foreign policy and economic topics. I love how the mainstream medias bias against him shows exactly what they are about.The libertarian bent is actually invigorating. I do hate guns and gun laws as they are.As ususal, I am not crazy about supporting anyone else. I am going to send his a campaign a little thank you gift too.

[Coronita]

"BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?"
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

 

I've been contemplating this for some time. I know he doesn't really have a shot, but frankly I really don't like any other candidate on either other side of the party, though I'm slightly warming to  McCain . The thing that's been holding me back is that the media distorted things into portraying him as a racist. Oh well. I'll carpool for the next few weeks and skip out on a few happy hours, that should do it for a few hundred.

 

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

"BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?"
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

 

I've been contemplating this for some time. I know he doesn't really have a shot, but frankly I really don't like any other candidate on either other side of the party, though I'm slightly warming to  McCain . The thing that's been holding me back is that the media distorted things into portraying him as a racist. Oh well. I'll carpool for the next few weeks and skip out on a few happy hours, that should do it for a few hundred.

 

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

"BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?"
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

 

I've been contemplating this for some time. I know he doesn't really have a shot, but frankly I really don't like any other candidate on either other side of the party, though I'm slightly warming to  McCain . The thing that's been holding me back is that the media distorted things into portraying him as a racist. Oh well. I'll carpool for the next few weeks and skip out on a few happy hours, that should do it for a few hundred.

 

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

"BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?"
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

 

I've been contemplating this for some time. I know he doesn't really have a shot, but frankly I really don't like any other candidate on either other side of the party, though I'm slightly warming to  McCain . The thing that's been holding me back is that the media distorted things into portraying him as a racist. Oh well. I'll carpool for the next few weeks and skip out on a few happy hours, that should do it for a few hundred.

 

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[NotCranky]

“BTW who here is on Ron Paul’s campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?”
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[NotCranky]

“BTW who here is on Ron Paul’s campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?”
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[NotCranky]

“BTW who here is on Ron Paul’s campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?”
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[NotCranky]

“BTW who here is on Ron Paul’s campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?”
I think yo might be saying this in jest but in case not there is a link. The most avid Ron Paul supporters from the blog have not been here lately. There are several. Greekfire has posted a couple of times about a meetup in north county related to the campaign.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[Coronita]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they're gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don't like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

 

It continues to amaze me how many people think that one individual letter to the senator, 1 vote, or 1 political action by 1 person would have any impact whatsoever and that such an action would constitute "making a difference". Seriously…we're not kids anymore. Can we get off the ideology crap in thinking that your 1 letter to a senator or 1 vote especially in CA would really make a frickin difference? I have nothing against petition drives, collective efforts, or if everyone wanted all the sudden wanted to collectively blast our senators with our complaints, as well as putting a political campaign fund the get our point across (isn't that how's it's really done anyway?) But the sort of 1 individual can make a difference ideology…come on.

Most politicians suck at economics, so it doesn't really matter what's correct.  It's the same people that I've run into in the office that spend all day talking,acting politics, that they don't get any work done or worse disrupt others from getting work done. I had the unfortunate incident of sharing an office with such a freak, and it was too the point that he was so goddamn disruptive to the team, that I had to talk to a few folks to indirectly remove him from the damn project. One time, his waste of time sort of got on my nerves so much that, I flat out asked him that if he loved politics so much, why doesn't he quit his current job and go pursue something in politics. Work for some person's campaign, or something. And the response?…."It doesn't pay enough for me.." Lol! what conviction! And my next question : "why don't you put your money where your mouth is?" No response.

 

BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they're gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don't like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

 

It continues to amaze me how many people think that one individual letter to the senator, 1 vote, or 1 political action by 1 person would have any impact whatsoever and that such an action would constitute "making a difference". Seriously…we're not kids anymore. Can we get off the ideology crap in thinking that your 1 letter to a senator or 1 vote especially in CA would really make a frickin difference? I have nothing against petition drives, collective efforts, or if everyone wanted all the sudden wanted to collectively blast our senators with our complaints, as well as putting a political campaign fund the get our point across (isn't that how's it's really done anyway?) But the sort of 1 individual can make a difference ideology…come on.

Most politicians suck at economics, so it doesn't really matter what's correct.  It's the same people that I've run into in the office that spend all day talking,acting politics, that they don't get any work done or worse disrupt others from getting work done. I had the unfortunate incident of sharing an office with such a freak, and it was too the point that he was so goddamn disruptive to the team, that I had to talk to a few folks to indirectly remove him from the damn project. One time, his waste of time sort of got on my nerves so much that, I flat out asked him that if he loved politics so much, why doesn't he quit his current job and go pursue something in politics. Work for some person's campaign, or something. And the response?…."It doesn't pay enough for me.." Lol! what conviction! And my next question : "why don't you put your money where your mouth is?" No response.

 

BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they're gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don't like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

 

It continues to amaze me how many people think that one individual letter to the senator, 1 vote, or 1 political action by 1 person would have any impact whatsoever and that such an action would constitute "making a difference". Seriously…we're not kids anymore. Can we get off the ideology crap in thinking that your 1 letter to a senator or 1 vote especially in CA would really make a frickin difference? I have nothing against petition drives, collective efforts, or if everyone wanted all the sudden wanted to collectively blast our senators with our complaints, as well as putting a political campaign fund the get our point across (isn't that how's it's really done anyway?) But the sort of 1 individual can make a difference ideology…come on.

Most politicians suck at economics, so it doesn't really matter what's correct.  It's the same people that I've run into in the office that spend all day talking,acting politics, that they don't get any work done or worse disrupt others from getting work done. I had the unfortunate incident of sharing an office with such a freak, and it was too the point that he was so goddamn disruptive to the team, that I had to talk to a few folks to indirectly remove him from the damn project. One time, his waste of time sort of got on my nerves so much that, I flat out asked him that if he loved politics so much, why doesn't he quit his current job and go pursue something in politics. Work for some person's campaign, or something. And the response?…."It doesn't pay enough for me.." Lol! what conviction! And my next question : "why don't you put your money where your mouth is?" No response.

 

BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they're gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.

If you don't like what is going on, do something about it. Looks like the bill is sitting in the Senate now.

Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference. You are just bitching on boards to fellow like minded folks.

If you spent as as much time engaged in the politics as you do on this board you might actually make an impact.

 

It continues to amaze me how many people think that one individual letter to the senator, 1 vote, or 1 political action by 1 person would have any impact whatsoever and that such an action would constitute "making a difference". Seriously…we're not kids anymore. Can we get off the ideology crap in thinking that your 1 letter to a senator or 1 vote especially in CA would really make a frickin difference? I have nothing against petition drives, collective efforts, or if everyone wanted all the sudden wanted to collectively blast our senators with our complaints, as well as putting a political campaign fund the get our point across (isn't that how's it's really done anyway?) But the sort of 1 individual can make a difference ideology…come on.

Most politicians suck at economics, so it doesn't really matter what's correct.  It's the same people that I've run into in the office that spend all day talking,acting politics, that they don't get any work done or worse disrupt others from getting work done. I had the unfortunate incident of sharing an office with such a freak, and it was too the point that he was so goddamn disruptive to the team, that I had to talk to a few folks to indirectly remove him from the damn project. One time, his waste of time sort of got on my nerves so much that, I flat out asked him that if he loved politics so much, why doesn't he quit his current job and go pursue something in politics. Work for some person's campaign, or something. And the response?…."It doesn't pay enough for me.." Lol! what conviction! And my next question : "why don't you put your money where your mouth is?" No response.

 

BTW who here is on Ron Paul's campaign in SD, and where can I send a campaign contribution?

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[PCinSD]

NewtoSandiego:

“Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference.”

1. What do you think might make a difference?
2. What protest have you organized, and where can I find out about it?
3. What political issue can you confirm has been affected by you calling or emailing your Senator?

“Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc…”

You sound very politically oriented. If you don’t mind sharing:

1. What nonprofit (for the purpose of a political cause) have you started;
2. What ad have you put in the paper;
3. What “sit” have you staged and where can I find out about it.

Most individuals don’t have the time and/or inclination to devote the efforts you are describing. I would love to hear how your efforts have changed the local, national or otherwise political field. It would encourage me to do the same. Thanks,

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

NewtoSandiego:

“Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference.”

1. What do you think might make a difference?
2. What protest have you organized, and where can I find out about it?
3. What political issue can you confirm has been affected by you calling or emailing your Senator?

“Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc…”

You sound very politically oriented. If you don’t mind sharing:

1. What nonprofit (for the purpose of a political cause) have you started;
2. What ad have you put in the paper;
3. What “sit” have you staged and where can I find out about it.

Most individuals don’t have the time and/or inclination to devote the efforts you are describing. I would love to hear how your efforts have changed the local, national or otherwise political field. It would encourage me to do the same. Thanks,

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

NewtoSandiego:

“Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference.”

1. What do you think might make a difference?
2. What protest have you organized, and where can I find out about it?
3. What political issue can you confirm has been affected by you calling or emailing your Senator?

“Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc…”

You sound very politically oriented. If you don’t mind sharing:

1. What nonprofit (for the purpose of a political cause) have you started;
2. What ad have you put in the paper;
3. What “sit” have you staged and where can I find out about it.

Most individuals don’t have the time and/or inclination to devote the efforts you are describing. I would love to hear how your efforts have changed the local, national or otherwise political field. It would encourage me to do the same. Thanks,

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

NewtoSandiego:

“Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference.”

1. What do you think might make a difference?
2. What protest have you organized, and where can I find out about it?
3. What political issue can you confirm has been affected by you calling or emailing your Senator?

“Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc…”

You sound very politically oriented. If you don’t mind sharing:

1. What nonprofit (for the purpose of a political cause) have you started;
2. What ad have you put in the paper;
3. What “sit” have you staged and where can I find out about it.

Most individuals don’t have the time and/or inclination to devote the efforts you are describing. I would love to hear how your efforts have changed the local, national or otherwise political field. It would encourage me to do the same. Thanks,

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

NewtoSandiego:

“Call or email your Senator Feinstein or Boxer, organize a protest, do whatever you thing might make a difference.”

1. What do you think might make a difference?
2. What protest have you organized, and where can I find out about it?
3. What political issue can you confirm has been affected by you calling or emailing your Senator?

“Write letters to your local town newspaper editor, stage a sit, gather funds from like minded folks and get an ad put in the paper. Start a non-profit (you can do it very cheaply). etc…”

You sound very politically oriented. If you don’t mind sharing:

1. What nonprofit (for the purpose of a political cause) have you started;
2. What ad have you put in the paper;
3. What “sit” have you staged and where can I find out about it.

Most individuals don’t have the time and/or inclination to devote the efforts you are describing. I would love to hear how your efforts have changed the local, national or otherwise political field. It would encourage me to do the same. Thanks,

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

I’m just waiting for NewtoSandiego to let me know “how much time to spend engaged in politics”. It appears from his/her post that he/she is VERY politically connected. How much of an impact have you made? I would love to hear about it.

Finally, do you know of anybody that’s ever made an “impact”? Who? How did they do it? How much time did it take them to make said impact?

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

I’m just waiting for NewtoSandiego to let me know “how much time to spend engaged in politics”. It appears from his/her post that he/she is VERY politically connected. How much of an impact have you made? I would love to hear about it.

Finally, do you know of anybody that’s ever made an “impact”? Who? How did they do it? How much time did it take them to make said impact?

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

I’m just waiting for NewtoSandiego to let me know “how much time to spend engaged in politics”. It appears from his/her post that he/she is VERY politically connected. How much of an impact have you made? I would love to hear about it.

Finally, do you know of anybody that’s ever made an “impact”? Who? How did they do it? How much time did it take them to make said impact?

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

I’m just waiting for NewtoSandiego to let me know “how much time to spend engaged in politics”. It appears from his/her post that he/she is VERY politically connected. How much of an impact have you made? I would love to hear about it.

Finally, do you know of anybody that’s ever made an “impact”? Who? How did they do it? How much time did it take them to make said impact?

pabloesqobar

[PCinSD]

I’m just waiting for NewtoSandiego to let me know “how much time to spend engaged in politics”. It appears from his/her post that he/she is VERY politically connected. How much of an impact have you made? I would love to hear about it.

Finally, do you know of anybody that’s ever made an “impact”? Who? How did they do it? How much time did it take them to make said impact?

pabloesqobar

[NewtoSanDiego]

Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD

[KSMountain]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD[/quote]
What have YOU done? Educate us please.

[KSMountain]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD[/quote]
What have YOU done? Educate us please.

[KSMountain]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD[/quote]
What have YOU done? Educate us please.

[KSMountain]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD[/quote]
What have YOU done? Educate us please.

[KSMountain]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD[/quote]
What have YOU done? Educate us please.

[NewtoSanDiego]

Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Just resurrecting an old post.

I still believe there are too many cry babies on this board.

If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.

What have you done recently?

NSD

[briansd1]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.
[/quote]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.
[/quote]

I thought that the Tea Party was against government intrusion.

“Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare!”

[briansd1]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.
[/quote]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.
[/quote]

I thought that the Tea Party was against government intrusion.

“Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare!”

[briansd1]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.
[/quote]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.
[/quote]

I thought that the Tea Party was against government intrusion.

“Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare!”

[briansd1]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.
[/quote]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.
[/quote]

I thought that the Tea Party was against government intrusion.

“Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare!”

[briansd1]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]You guys are a bunch of cry babies…oooo they’re gonna raise the the mortgage conforming limits.
[/quote]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
If you’re saying to yourself “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”, then DO SOMETHING! The Tea Party has.
[/quote]

I thought that the Tea Party was against government intrusion.

“Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare!”

[Coronita]

Rich, Clean up in isle 4….Looks like a pitbull made a mess…

[NewtoSanDiego]

I’m willing to bet that most of you have never done anything more politically active than sign a petition at a mall.

I wasn’t passing any judgement on the pros/cons of a particular issue. I am encouraging people get out there and participate in our democracy if they feel strongly enough on any particular issue.

The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling.

Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth.

NSD

[sd_matt]

I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sd_matt]I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.[/quote]

And that makes another point.
You only really matter in this country if you can express your will politically or economically.
Those who just sit around smoking pot talking, or those who talk about their inside knowledge while leading a book club, really don’t matter.

A silent majority might as well not exist. If they do something then they are not silent anymore and they do matter.

Anyhoo, my level of political involvement has only been civil disobedience, organizing protests, voting, and occasional boycotting.

[scaredyclassic]

i disagree that doing nothing cannot have an impact. Buying nothing, going nowhere, consuming less, not “doing” as much has a big effect economically, on a personal and global level. When growing high quality pot in CA is legal and they start hanging out with the neighbors and getting high and not hanging out at the mall, well, it does have some kind of impact. So I would say the greatest impact you can have is in doing nothing.

[scaredyclassic]

i disagree that doing nothing cannot have an impact. Buying nothing, going nowhere, consuming less, not “doing” as much has a big effect economically, on a personal and global level. When growing high quality pot in CA is legal and they start hanging out with the neighbors and getting high and not hanging out at the mall, well, it does have some kind of impact. So I would say the greatest impact you can have is in doing nothing.

[scaredyclassic]

i disagree that doing nothing cannot have an impact. Buying nothing, going nowhere, consuming less, not “doing” as much has a big effect economically, on a personal and global level. When growing high quality pot in CA is legal and they start hanging out with the neighbors and getting high and not hanging out at the mall, well, it does have some kind of impact. So I would say the greatest impact you can have is in doing nothing.

[scaredyclassic]

i disagree that doing nothing cannot have an impact. Buying nothing, going nowhere, consuming less, not “doing” as much has a big effect economically, on a personal and global level. When growing high quality pot in CA is legal and they start hanging out with the neighbors and getting high and not hanging out at the mall, well, it does have some kind of impact. So I would say the greatest impact you can have is in doing nothing.

[scaredyclassic]

i disagree that doing nothing cannot have an impact. Buying nothing, going nowhere, consuming less, not “doing” as much has a big effect economically, on a personal and global level. When growing high quality pot in CA is legal and they start hanging out with the neighbors and getting high and not hanging out at the mall, well, it does have some kind of impact. So I would say the greatest impact you can have is in doing nothing.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sd_matt]I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.[/quote]

And that makes another point.
You only really matter in this country if you can express your will politically or economically.
Those who just sit around smoking pot talking, or those who talk about their inside knowledge while leading a book club, really don’t matter.

A silent majority might as well not exist. If they do something then they are not silent anymore and they do matter.

Anyhoo, my level of political involvement has only been civil disobedience, organizing protests, voting, and occasional boycotting.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sd_matt]I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.[/quote]

And that makes another point.
You only really matter in this country if you can express your will politically or economically.
Those who just sit around smoking pot talking, or those who talk about their inside knowledge while leading a book club, really don’t matter.

A silent majority might as well not exist. If they do something then they are not silent anymore and they do matter.

Anyhoo, my level of political involvement has only been civil disobedience, organizing protests, voting, and occasional boycotting.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sd_matt]I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.[/quote]

And that makes another point.
You only really matter in this country if you can express your will politically or economically.
Those who just sit around smoking pot talking, or those who talk about their inside knowledge while leading a book club, really don’t matter.

A silent majority might as well not exist. If they do something then they are not silent anymore and they do matter.

Anyhoo, my level of political involvement has only been civil disobedience, organizing protests, voting, and occasional boycotting.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=sd_matt]I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.[/quote]

And that makes another point.
You only really matter in this country if you can express your will politically or economically.
Those who just sit around smoking pot talking, or those who talk about their inside knowledge while leading a book club, really don’t matter.

A silent majority might as well not exist. If they do something then they are not silent anymore and they do matter.

Anyhoo, my level of political involvement has only been civil disobedience, organizing protests, voting, and occasional boycotting.

[sd_matt]

I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.

[sd_matt]

I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.

[sd_matt]

I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.

[sd_matt]

I hear your rant about people not participating in democracy. If you think the silent majority will ever become anything other than silent then you are in for a heartbreak.

I imagine that most of the Piggs would stick up for other Piggs (correct me if I’m wrong) because they think alike. They want to get ahead. They have also given up on those that are complacent.

The real fight is not running around with a banner, it is getting the correct information. This is where the Piggs have it right.
You want to make a difference? Then bombard the media with emails demanding an easy to follow map of the political money, or something like it. But so far any suggestion that I have made to that effect has only ( including here ) been met with crickets chirping.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

“The NSD-nation”? Okay, I know I’ll regret this, but I’ll bite. WTF is the “NSD-nation”? Geez, Newt, you can’t spell “frivolous”, but can you spell “DELUSIONAL”?

Once again, in a total exercise in futility, I’ll ask: Who is the “silent majority” to whom you refer, and would you please provide proof that they are indeed worthy of the term “majority”?

I confess to being mystified. Exactly what is it that you want the readers of this board to do? Are you asking them to join your “silent majority” (oh, if you would only live up to the adjective you’ve employed!)? Or are you asking them to rise up against you?

But, to get to the point, what the hell do you know about the activities the other members of this board engage in when they’re not engaged in discussion on Piggs? Not a damn thing! And if anyone wanted you to know, they’d contact you directly.

As for the frivolous thoughts to which you disparagingly refer, I’m not sure that posting messages to let people know what kind of dog you own, or model of car you lease doesn’t qualify. Your recent on-the-scene color commentary on the Newt vs HOA smackdown had me all a-tremble thinking about what a badass you must be. Seriously, I’m not sure that a loser who has to ask for help on how to handle problems with his HOA from the frivolous message posters on this board is capable of action that will result in major change in Washington.

But seriously, Newt, you have a shitload of nerve originating a thread like this one, and even more for bringing it up again after a couple years. Not only is it a direct violation of Piggs policy, which was recently reviewed in a highly vocal discussion in which you were fingered as a major offender. But you’re too scared to engage in any sort of discussion on this board. I suspect that your activities as part of “participating in our democracy” consist of exactly what you do here: hit and run. You spread innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies in an attempt to fire people up over nonexistent issues, and then disappear before anyone can corner you and force an explanation.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth. NSD[/quote]

Newt, you flatter yourself. No one wants to muzzle the truth. I mean, what TRUTH are you talking about?? You don’t ever say anything worthwhile. You make outlandish statements that appear to have been written by a 14 year-old, and for which there is no evidence.

The only one trying to “muzzle the truth” is YOU. You have repeatedly been asked to provide information or evidence supporting your statements, and you choose not to. It’s more than obvious that you are only too willing to blindly and unquestioningly follow anyone whose rhetoric mirrors your own opinions and biases. That’s your choice. It’s not mine, and it’s not that of many of the posters on this board. And as long as we continue to live in a democracy, I’ll work to ensure that we all have that choice, despite the best efforts of the “NSD-nation” to the contrary.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government……..you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

Dude, I read this again, and all I can say is……ignore the voices, and have a Thorazine salt lick installed in your bedroom. It’s not that I disagree with the basic premise. It’s just the elaborately detailed “real life” scenario that’s giving me a major creep vibe.

Exactly how much of your daily routine is devoted to planning NSD-nation’s gleaming-eye moment of triumph?

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be content if I could basically control myself; I may be shooting too high with that. National control unlikely

[KSMountain]

Walterwhite for president!

[KSMountain]

Walterwhite for president!

[KSMountain]

Walterwhite for president!

[KSMountain]

Walterwhite for president!

[KSMountain]

Walterwhite for president!

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be content if I could basically control myself; I may be shooting too high with that. National control unlikely

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be content if I could basically control myself; I may be shooting too high with that. National control unlikely

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be content if I could basically control myself; I may be shooting too high with that. National control unlikely

[scaredyclassic]

I’d be content if I could basically control myself; I may be shooting too high with that. National control unlikely

[eavesdropper]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

“The NSD-nation”? Okay, I know I’ll regret this, but I’ll bite. WTF is the “NSD-nation”? Geez, Newt, you can’t spell “frivolous”, but can you spell “DELUSIONAL”?

Once again, in a total exercise in futility, I’ll ask: Who is the “silent majority” to whom you refer, and would you please provide proof that they are indeed worthy of the term “majority”?

I confess to being mystified. Exactly what is it that you want the readers of this board to do? Are you asking them to join your “silent majority” (oh, if you would only live up to the adjective you’ve employed!)? Or are you asking them to rise up against you?

But, to get to the point, what the hell do you know about the activities the other members of this board engage in when they’re not engaged in discussion on Piggs? Not a damn thing! And if anyone wanted you to know, they’d contact you directly.

As for the frivolous thoughts to which you disparagingly refer, I’m not sure that posting messages to let people know what kind of dog you own, or model of car you lease doesn’t qualify. Your recent on-the-scene color commentary on the Newt vs HOA smackdown had me all a-tremble thinking about what a badass you must be. Seriously, I’m not sure that a loser who has to ask for help on how to handle problems with his HOA from the frivolous message posters on this board is capable of action that will result in major change in Washington.

But seriously, Newt, you have a shitload of nerve originating a thread like this one, and even more for bringing it up again after a couple years. Not only is it a direct violation of Piggs policy, which was recently reviewed in a highly vocal discussion in which you were fingered as a major offender. But you’re too scared to engage in any sort of discussion on this board. I suspect that your activities as part of “participating in our democracy” consist of exactly what you do here: hit and run. You spread innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies in an attempt to fire people up over nonexistent issues, and then disappear before anyone can corner you and force an explanation.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth. NSD[/quote]

Newt, you flatter yourself. No one wants to muzzle the truth. I mean, what TRUTH are you talking about?? You don’t ever say anything worthwhile. You make outlandish statements that appear to have been written by a 14 year-old, and for which there is no evidence.

The only one trying to “muzzle the truth” is YOU. You have repeatedly been asked to provide information or evidence supporting your statements, and you choose not to. It’s more than obvious that you are only too willing to blindly and unquestioningly follow anyone whose rhetoric mirrors your own opinions and biases. That’s your choice. It’s not mine, and it’s not that of many of the posters on this board. And as long as we continue to live in a democracy, I’ll work to ensure that we all have that choice, despite the best efforts of the “NSD-nation” to the contrary.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government……..you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

Dude, I read this again, and all I can say is……ignore the voices, and have a Thorazine salt lick installed in your bedroom. It’s not that I disagree with the basic premise. It’s just the elaborately detailed “real life” scenario that’s giving me a major creep vibe.

Exactly how much of your daily routine is devoted to planning NSD-nation’s gleaming-eye moment of triumph?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

“The NSD-nation”? Okay, I know I’ll regret this, but I’ll bite. WTF is the “NSD-nation”? Geez, Newt, you can’t spell “frivolous”, but can you spell “DELUSIONAL”?

Once again, in a total exercise in futility, I’ll ask: Who is the “silent majority” to whom you refer, and would you please provide proof that they are indeed worthy of the term “majority”?

I confess to being mystified. Exactly what is it that you want the readers of this board to do? Are you asking them to join your “silent majority” (oh, if you would only live up to the adjective you’ve employed!)? Or are you asking them to rise up against you?

But, to get to the point, what the hell do you know about the activities the other members of this board engage in when they’re not engaged in discussion on Piggs? Not a damn thing! And if anyone wanted you to know, they’d contact you directly.

As for the frivolous thoughts to which you disparagingly refer, I’m not sure that posting messages to let people know what kind of dog you own, or model of car you lease doesn’t qualify. Your recent on-the-scene color commentary on the Newt vs HOA smackdown had me all a-tremble thinking about what a badass you must be. Seriously, I’m not sure that a loser who has to ask for help on how to handle problems with his HOA from the frivolous message posters on this board is capable of action that will result in major change in Washington.

But seriously, Newt, you have a shitload of nerve originating a thread like this one, and even more for bringing it up again after a couple years. Not only is it a direct violation of Piggs policy, which was recently reviewed in a highly vocal discussion in which you were fingered as a major offender. But you’re too scared to engage in any sort of discussion on this board. I suspect that your activities as part of “participating in our democracy” consist of exactly what you do here: hit and run. You spread innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies in an attempt to fire people up over nonexistent issues, and then disappear before anyone can corner you and force an explanation.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth. NSD[/quote]

Newt, you flatter yourself. No one wants to muzzle the truth. I mean, what TRUTH are you talking about?? You don’t ever say anything worthwhile. You make outlandish statements that appear to have been written by a 14 year-old, and for which there is no evidence.

The only one trying to “muzzle the truth” is YOU. You have repeatedly been asked to provide information or evidence supporting your statements, and you choose not to. It’s more than obvious that you are only too willing to blindly and unquestioningly follow anyone whose rhetoric mirrors your own opinions and biases. That’s your choice. It’s not mine, and it’s not that of many of the posters on this board. And as long as we continue to live in a democracy, I’ll work to ensure that we all have that choice, despite the best efforts of the “NSD-nation” to the contrary.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government……..you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

Dude, I read this again, and all I can say is……ignore the voices, and have a Thorazine salt lick installed in your bedroom. It’s not that I disagree with the basic premise. It’s just the elaborately detailed “real life” scenario that’s giving me a major creep vibe.

Exactly how much of your daily routine is devoted to planning NSD-nation’s gleaming-eye moment of triumph?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

“The NSD-nation”? Okay, I know I’ll regret this, but I’ll bite. WTF is the “NSD-nation”? Geez, Newt, you can’t spell “frivolous”, but can you spell “DELUSIONAL”?

Once again, in a total exercise in futility, I’ll ask: Who is the “silent majority” to whom you refer, and would you please provide proof that they are indeed worthy of the term “majority”?

I confess to being mystified. Exactly what is it that you want the readers of this board to do? Are you asking them to join your “silent majority” (oh, if you would only live up to the adjective you’ve employed!)? Or are you asking them to rise up against you?

But, to get to the point, what the hell do you know about the activities the other members of this board engage in when they’re not engaged in discussion on Piggs? Not a damn thing! And if anyone wanted you to know, they’d contact you directly.

As for the frivolous thoughts to which you disparagingly refer, I’m not sure that posting messages to let people know what kind of dog you own, or model of car you lease doesn’t qualify. Your recent on-the-scene color commentary on the Newt vs HOA smackdown had me all a-tremble thinking about what a badass you must be. Seriously, I’m not sure that a loser who has to ask for help on how to handle problems with his HOA from the frivolous message posters on this board is capable of action that will result in major change in Washington.

But seriously, Newt, you have a shitload of nerve originating a thread like this one, and even more for bringing it up again after a couple years. Not only is it a direct violation of Piggs policy, which was recently reviewed in a highly vocal discussion in which you were fingered as a major offender. But you’re too scared to engage in any sort of discussion on this board. I suspect that your activities as part of “participating in our democracy” consist of exactly what you do here: hit and run. You spread innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies in an attempt to fire people up over nonexistent issues, and then disappear before anyone can corner you and force an explanation.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth. NSD[/quote]

Newt, you flatter yourself. No one wants to muzzle the truth. I mean, what TRUTH are you talking about?? You don’t ever say anything worthwhile. You make outlandish statements that appear to have been written by a 14 year-old, and for which there is no evidence.

The only one trying to “muzzle the truth” is YOU. You have repeatedly been asked to provide information or evidence supporting your statements, and you choose not to. It’s more than obvious that you are only too willing to blindly and unquestioningly follow anyone whose rhetoric mirrors your own opinions and biases. That’s your choice. It’s not mine, and it’s not that of many of the posters on this board. And as long as we continue to live in a democracy, I’ll work to ensure that we all have that choice, despite the best efforts of the “NSD-nation” to the contrary.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government……..you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

Dude, I read this again, and all I can say is……ignore the voices, and have a Thorazine salt lick installed in your bedroom. It’s not that I disagree with the basic premise. It’s just the elaborately detailed “real life” scenario that’s giving me a major creep vibe.

Exactly how much of your daily routine is devoted to planning NSD-nation’s gleaming-eye moment of triumph?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

“The NSD-nation”? Okay, I know I’ll regret this, but I’ll bite. WTF is the “NSD-nation”? Geez, Newt, you can’t spell “frivolous”, but can you spell “DELUSIONAL”?

Once again, in a total exercise in futility, I’ll ask: Who is the “silent majority” to whom you refer, and would you please provide proof that they are indeed worthy of the term “majority”?

I confess to being mystified. Exactly what is it that you want the readers of this board to do? Are you asking them to join your “silent majority” (oh, if you would only live up to the adjective you’ve employed!)? Or are you asking them to rise up against you?

But, to get to the point, what the hell do you know about the activities the other members of this board engage in when they’re not engaged in discussion on Piggs? Not a damn thing! And if anyone wanted you to know, they’d contact you directly.

As for the frivolous thoughts to which you disparagingly refer, I’m not sure that posting messages to let people know what kind of dog you own, or model of car you lease doesn’t qualify. Your recent on-the-scene color commentary on the Newt vs HOA smackdown had me all a-tremble thinking about what a badass you must be. Seriously, I’m not sure that a loser who has to ask for help on how to handle problems with his HOA from the frivolous message posters on this board is capable of action that will result in major change in Washington.

But seriously, Newt, you have a shitload of nerve originating a thread like this one, and even more for bringing it up again after a couple years. Not only is it a direct violation of Piggs policy, which was recently reviewed in a highly vocal discussion in which you were fingered as a major offender. But you’re too scared to engage in any sort of discussion on this board. I suspect that your activities as part of “participating in our democracy” consist of exactly what you do here: hit and run. You spread innuendo, half-truths, and outright lies in an attempt to fire people up over nonexistent issues, and then disappear before anyone can corner you and force an explanation.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth. NSD[/quote]

Newt, you flatter yourself. No one wants to muzzle the truth. I mean, what TRUTH are you talking about?? You don’t ever say anything worthwhile. You make outlandish statements that appear to have been written by a 14 year-old, and for which there is no evidence.

The only one trying to “muzzle the truth” is YOU. You have repeatedly been asked to provide information or evidence supporting your statements, and you choose not to. It’s more than obvious that you are only too willing to blindly and unquestioningly follow anyone whose rhetoric mirrors your own opinions and biases. That’s your choice. It’s not mine, and it’s not that of many of the posters on this board. And as long as we continue to live in a democracy, I’ll work to ensure that we all have that choice, despite the best efforts of the “NSD-nation” to the contrary.

[quote=NewtoSanDiego] The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government……..you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling. [/quote]

Dude, I read this again, and all I can say is……ignore the voices, and have a Thorazine salt lick installed in your bedroom. It’s not that I disagree with the basic premise. It’s just the elaborately detailed “real life” scenario that’s giving me a major creep vibe.

Exactly how much of your daily routine is devoted to planning NSD-nation’s gleaming-eye moment of triumph?

[NewtoSanDiego]

I’m willing to bet that most of you have never done anything more politically active than sign a petition at a mall.

I wasn’t passing any judgement on the pros/cons of a particular issue. I am encouraging people get out there and participate in our democracy if they feel strongly enough on any particular issue.

The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling.

Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth.

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

I’m willing to bet that most of you have never done anything more politically active than sign a petition at a mall.

I wasn’t passing any judgement on the pros/cons of a particular issue. I am encouraging people get out there and participate in our democracy if they feel strongly enough on any particular issue.

The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling.

Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth.

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

I’m willing to bet that most of you have never done anything more politically active than sign a petition at a mall.

I wasn’t passing any judgement on the pros/cons of a particular issue. I am encouraging people get out there and participate in our democracy if they feel strongly enough on any particular issue.

The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling.

Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth.

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

I’m willing to bet that most of you have never done anything more politically active than sign a petition at a mall.

I wasn’t passing any judgement on the pros/cons of a particular issue. I am encouraging people get out there and participate in our democracy if they feel strongly enough on any particular issue.

The NSD-nation (NSD like-minded folks who are the silent majority) is gonna be running the local, state and god-willing national government. While we’re out organizing, raising funds, running for school board, city council, state representative, you will be perfectly happy just typing away frivilious thoughts on blogs, we will govern you. You will look up one day and say, “what happened?”. We will be smiling.

Some of you on this board want to muzzle the truth. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth.

NSD

[Coronita]

Rich, Clean up in isle 4….Looks like a pitbull made a mess…

[Coronita]

Rich, Clean up in isle 4….Looks like a pitbull made a mess…

[Coronita]

Rich, Clean up in isle 4….Looks like a pitbull made a mess…

[Coronita]

Rich, Clean up in isle 4….Looks like a pitbull made a mess…

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