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November 27, 2022 at 3:13 PM #827016November 27, 2022 at 3:45 PM #827017
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ParticipantThen, environmentally, it sounds like we are making giant pieces of junk for the landfills pretty soon. Big giant obsolete computers with wheels.
An electric car can actually be a lot SIMPLER and less computerized than a gas car; you don’t need as much real-time processing power to keep the engine running within a narrow range of parameters to meet emissions rules. You can do stability and traction control by controlling individual motors — the friction braking system could just be straight old-school ABS.
The problem isn’t that the cars are electric – the problem is that manufacturers are stuffing electric cars full of extra gadgets and geegaws that have ZERO to do with electrification or even safety.
Standard door handles work just fine – you could have an extra sprung plate to make them flush for aerodynamics. Instead, many makers are making the handles electric with a duplicate mechanical mechanism for safety. Just extra weight and more crap to break. Dog-lick engineering … “why does a dog lick their scrote? Because they can.”
You don’t need a screen running everything and three menus just to change the air blower direction — a temperature knob, fan knob, and air direction knob controlling the heat pump would work just fine. But, of course, that doesn’t look fancy-schmancy enough to attract techbro buyers.
November 27, 2022 at 4:12 PM #827018evolusd
ParticipantJust went on exhaustive search as we’re in similar situation. Wife is driving daughter to diving in Mission Viejo 4-5 days/week.
Tried to negotiate with Honda on a CR-V hybrid, but they were firm with big add ons to MSRP. Ended up putting a deposit on a Hyundai Tucson hybrid at MSRP, no markup.
If it were me, I would have bought the Accord Sport hybrid. Doesn’t have the bells and whistles, but gets great mileage and is relatively cheap. There are a bunch on the lots, so likely more negotiable than the CR-V.
November 27, 2022 at 5:36 PM #827019svelteParticipantNeighbor bought a 2023 Kia Sportage hybrid 2 weeks ago. Looks good on the outside and the interior is top notch! If you are going to consider a hybrid, I would at least look at it.
I watch the car industry pretty closely (as do several piggs) and the word on the street is that hybrids are not long for this earth.
The reason is that auto companies predict that EV production costs will be less than ICE by 2025. If that is true, then hybrids will be more expensive that ICE or EVs. Reason? Hybrids will have all the parts of an ICE car and EVs too. If an EV can be produced cheaper than ICE, no reason for hybrids.
None of that matters if you lease because you’ll turn it back in in 3 years, but if you buy it will accelerate the depreciation of your hybrid.
November 27, 2022 at 5:43 PM #827020svelteParticipant[quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]
Will a Lexus make me seem like an old white guy?[/quote]
Yes. But just “old white guy”…
…not “Grandpa old white guy”…unless you buy the Lexus LS….[/quote]
Are you kidding? All Lexus owners I know are retirement age with little white dogs! Definitely grandpa territory!
November 27, 2022 at 11:10 PM #827021scaredyclassic
ParticipantIt’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.
I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality
November 28, 2022 at 7:40 AM #827022svelteParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]It’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.
I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality[/quote]
People get deep down in the formulas and all that.
I don’t bother. I go dealer to dealer and let them quote me their best deal on the car I want. Then I go home. Within a week they are calling to see if I’ve decided and I stay noncommittal and ask for a better price.
Sooner or later it becomes clear which car I want and which price I can live with so I go with it.
We’ve only started leasing in the past 6 years. One lease we turned back in and we are getting ready to buy the car on the current lease. After 3 years with the car we’ve decided we want to keep it.
Our next car will be electric and we’ll no doubt lease that one. I’m not going to buy right now as prices are dropping and we are in no hurry. We’ll wait until unemployment rises and car lots are brimming with unsold cars. Then we will be in the best negotiating position. I figure that is about a year off.
November 28, 2022 at 8:38 AM #827023The-Shoveler
Participant[quote=Coronita]
I was hoping we’d get back to point where we have a “back to basics” cult where you just have much simplier cars for basic transportation and not continueously trying to turn cars in to computers.[/quote]+1
I think people want this but car manufactures don’t see it as profitable as selling rolling luxury boxes.November 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM #827024
CoronitaParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]It’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.
I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality[/quote]
People get deep down in the formulas and all that.
I don’t bother. I go dealer to dealer and let them quote me their best deal on the car I want. Then I go home. Within a week they are calling to see if I’ve decided and I stay noncommittal and ask for a better price.
Sooner or later it becomes clear which car I want and which price I can live with so I go with it.
We’ve only started leasing in the past 6 years. One lease we turned back in and we are getting ready to buy the car on the current lease. After 3 years with the car we’ve decided we want to keep it.
Our next car will be electric and we’ll no doubt lease that one. I’m not going to buy right now as prices are dropping and we are in no hurry. We’ll wait until unemployment rises and car lots are brimming with unsold cars. Then we will be in the best negotiating position. I figure that is about a year off.[/quote]
To be fair, some car companies, like Tesla is a no-haggle policy, which is good.
November 28, 2022 at 9:14 AM #827025CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=Coronita]
I was hoping we’d get back to point where we have a “back to basics” cult where you just have much simplier cars for basic transportation and not continueously trying to turn cars in to computers.[/quote]+1
I think people want this but car manufactures don’t see it as profitable as selling rolling luxury boxes.[/quote]These rolling luxury boxes is what is is discouraging me for getting anything new. I’m looking into building a kit car for 4 years now. But think of figuring out how to do an electric kit car.
November 28, 2022 at 9:41 AM #827026Escoguy
ParticipantIf you become an Uber driver, you can lease a Ford Mach-e for $85 per week (includes 250 miles) plus 20 cents per mile over that.
the Mach-e has good reviews and I think about a 260 mile range.
You will need to do a certain number of Uber rides per month, probably about 50 which can take about 15 hours or 4-5 hours per week and can be done during the commute while using destination filter.
The rides should more or less pay for the car.
if you want to use my referral code, please send me a message for the sign on bonus.
Hope I’m not abusing Piggington terms by putting this out there.
November 28, 2022 at 2:42 PM #827028Participant[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]It’s all so complex, maybe I should just drive my old car.
I’ve never negotiated a lease. Are advertised lease deals negotiable in reality[/quote]
People get deep down in the formulas and all that.
I don’t bother. I go dealer to dealer and let them quote me their best deal on the car I want. Then I go home. Within a week they are calling to see if I’ve decided and I stay noncommittal and ask for a better price.
Sooner or later it becomes clear which car I want and which price I can live with so I go with it.
We’ve only started leasing in the past 6 years. One lease we turned back in and we are getting ready to buy the car on the current lease. After 3 years with the car we’ve decided we want to keep it.
Our next car will be electric and we’ll no doubt lease that one. I’m not going to buy right now as prices are dropping and we are in no hurry. We’ll wait until unemployment rises and car lots are brimming with unsold cars. Then we will be in the best negotiating position. I figure that is about a year off.[/quote]
I guess I can wait a year. But I was thinking, if I lease, maybe it’d be good to keep my old car as backup, to keep total mileage down if necessary on the leased car, also just to have an extra car for visitors, breakdowns.
November 28, 2022 at 6:06 PM #827029svelteParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]
I guess I can wait a year. But I was thinking, if I lease, maybe it’d be good to keep my old car as backup, to keep total mileage down if necessary on the leased car, also just to have an extra car for visitors, breakdowns.[/quote]
Absolutely! We do that quite often – keep the old car until we are absolutely convinced we won’t need it.
I just went into the Mach E configurator. To get one like we’d like (glass roof, bigger battery) I’m looking at over $60K, not the entry level $45K. Maybe I can do without the bigger battery, have to think about that.
Then I went to see what is in stock. Dealers are wanting $10K over MSRP! Yes I think I will wait a year…
November 28, 2022 at 6:22 PM #827030CoronitaParticipantI think the other thing about leases versus buying is that if you buy a $90k car, you’re going to owe sales tax on $90k.
I believe if you lease the car, you’re going to be paying sales tax on your down payment and each monthly payment you make on the lease… I think…
November 28, 2022 at 6:27 PM #827031svelteParticipant[quote=Coronita]I think the other thing about leases versus buying is that if you buy a $90k car, you’re going to owe sales tax on $90k.
I believe if you lease the car, you’re going to be paying sales tax on your down payment and each monthly payment you make on the lease… I think…[/quote]
I believe that is correct.
It is a plus in the leasing column.
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