California Senate Passes Discrimination Bill SCA-5….

[ocrenter]

[quote=flu][quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]

Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.

I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]

I’m not sure it’s that really. I think it’s more of the path of least resistance. I think some of our politicians were gambling on the fact that asians would just take it and move on…What’s more surprising to me is which politicians it’s coming out of…. I mean some of these fine politicians sure seem to be doing a pretty fine job of setting back civil rights 50+years or so…..

The most hypocritical thing about this is at the same time UC regents are heavily recruiting foreign students from asia..Simply because the can pay the full tuition cost….The irony….[/quote]

And they were right, we did just take it and move on. And remember, thousands of AA students get discriminated by state schools and IVY league quotas every year, but it took a white girl to fight our fight to the Supreme Court.

I don’t think they look at us any differently. The 4th Gen Japanese or Cantonese applying to UC are just making their racial stats look bad, at least the Corrupt Chinese official’s kid has to pay the Max non-resident tuition.

The civil rights leaders never had AA’s interest in mind. This is why it annoys to no end that the few AA politicians end up kissing up to them as if all the colored folks need to stick together. Then when it is time to fight for Asian rights, these guys just throw us right under the bus by using terms like “disadvantaged minority” that essentially remove AA’s from that group, when we got plenty of disadvantaged folks around.

[Coronita]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu][quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]

Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.

I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]

I’m not sure it’s that really. I think it’s more of the path of least resistance. I think some of our politicians were gambling on the fact that asians would just take it and move on…What’s more surprising to me is which politicians it’s coming out of…. I mean some of these fine politicians sure seem to be doing a pretty fine job of setting back civil rights 50+years or so…..

The most hypocritical thing about this is at the same time UC regents are heavily recruiting foreign students from asia..Simply because the can pay the full tuition cost….The irony….[/quote]

And they were right, we did just take it and move on. And remember, thousands of AA students get discriminated by state schools and IVY league quotas every year, but it took a white girl to fight our fight to the Supreme Court.

I don’t think they look at us any differently. The 4th Gen Japanese or Cantonese applying to UC are just making their racial stats look bad, at least the Corrupt Chinese official’s kid has to pay the Max non-resident tuition.

The civil rights leaders never had AA’s interest in mind. This is why it annoys to no end that the few AA politicians end up kissing up to them as if all the colored folks need to stick together. Then when it is time to fight for Asian rights, these guys just throw us right under the bus by using terms like “disadvantaged minority” that essentially remove AA’s from that group, when we got plenty of disadvantaged folks around.[/quote]

Well it’s simple….Asians don’t tend to go to the elections, until the crapper hits the fan… It will be very very interesting to see what happens this coming election… The fact that Ted Lieu and the other two idiots are now backpeddling to me tells me they are in trouble…big time….

[Coronita]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]

Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.

I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]

I’m pretty happy that with an administration that already went out of a limb backing it, that the justices came back and kinda punted on the issue and didn’t say it was allowable… In fact, it seemed like they weren’t a particular big proponent of it and deferred it back to the state…(for now)….At least it can be challenged again….

I’m more curious what the California Teacher’s Association was doing backing this?

I think before any asian american parents donate another cent to their respective public schools to better the enrichment programs for all kids at the public school, we probably should get better clarity from our public school educators what they are doing for us to ensure our kids have an equal shot at the opportunities out there.. Specifically, what is their take on SCA-5…

I sure am holding off my 2014 contributions to our public schools until I get more clarity… IF my kid is going to be discriminated again. Why should I bother going out and spending my money to help enrichment programs that benefit other people who otherwise wouldn’t?

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter]Students/job seekers are being fed the myth that *they* are the problem, when (IMO) the problem is our global economic system. We have an oversupply of labor, globally-speaking, and demand for the goods and services being sold is drying up in many cases. So now, parents are expected to shell out upwards of six figures for their children’s educations without any guarantee of a decent job…or even if the decent job exists today, no guarantee that the specialized training will be able to qualify that person for a job in another field if the job market should change.[/quote]Really? Upward of 6 figures? CSU tuition are only ~$6k/year while UC are about $12k/year. That’s hardly 6 figures. Now, if you waste your money on private school for a degree that doesn’t pay, well, that’s essentially your own fault for wasting that money. No one forces you to pay $40k/year for a BA in underwater basket weaving.
[quote=CA renter]And let’s just consider for a moment what would happen if *everybody* got an engineering degree. What would happen to wages for those job applicants? Would our economy, or the job market, be any better off? If we compare the “innovations” of the past few years with the innovations from our “glory days” in the 1940s-1960s, we’re not doing so well. If Facebook is what we consider to be innovation and progress, then we’re in serious trouble, IMHO.[/quote]There’s much more than just Facebook. How about iPhone, Android phones, iPad, autonomous cars, drones, computing power that far exceed desktop computers from 10 years ago in the palm of your hand, 24/7 connectivity, ability to communicate and see people across the globe, voice recognition, nano-tech, biotech, etc. I can go on and on and on. You seriously need to open your eyes if you think Facebook is the only innovation we got in the last few years.
As for if everyone has an engineering degree, you fail to see that it’s not a zero sum game. Even more start ups will occur and maybe we’ll find new markets and new innovations. Maybe we’ll have EV cars that can drive 1000 miles and cellphones that’ll last a month. Maybe we’ll have a cure for cancer and AIDS. Maybe we’ll be able to do things we never would have thought of.[/quote]

I agree that CSU is relatively inexpensive, especially if the students live at home (which is what we’re planning to do), but for students who want to attend a private university, or a university that specializes in a particular major (can’t live at home), the costs increase quite a bit.

According to the CSU Standard Student Expense Budget (and I think their estimates are on the conservative side), the *current* annual cost for a student to attend college is $15K-$16K if they live at home, $20K-$24K if they live on campus, and $22K-$24K if they live off campus. If the student attends only four years, the cost will run between $60K and $96K for just a B.A./B.S. If they aren’t able to get all of their classes when they need them, or if they change majors, or if they pursue an advanced degree, the costs go up from there. And this is basically the least expensive option.

http://www.calstate.edu/sas/costofattendance/documents/2013-14COA.pdf

We must also note that today’s “in” major could very well be tomorrow’s over-saturated major when everyone rushes to get the same degree and/or the job market shifts. Look at what’s happened to nursing, for instance. So people might start out in the “right” major, only to enter a saturated job market with few prospects. That’s every bit as “worthless” as an underwater basket weaving degree, especially if the major is highly specialized, so it can’t really transfer easily (one of the benefits of a liberal arts major).

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As for those innovations, while I respect the fact that many people are in love with their iPhones, the main innovation was getting a mobile phone into a person’s hand. That was done well before this past decade. Navigation is cool, but the rest is just “fluff” as far as I’m concerned. We had notebook/laptop computers decades ago, so the iPad isn’t such a big deal, IMO. And 24/7 connectivity is as much a burden as it is a blessing. We had voice recognition decades ago, TV cards for computers were available back then, too. And “Picturephones”/teleconferencing was available decades ago, as well. There have been some advances in biotech, but with cancer, for instance, we’re still using many of the same drugs and treatments that we were using decades ago. Drones???? Don’t get me started on drones! 🙁

Sorry, but I’m just not seeing the life-altering innovations that you seem to be seeing. Of course, I’ll admit that you are more tech-focused than I am, so you’re more likely to notice the incremental changes that might be a big deal to you (and others like you), but not nearly as impressive to me (and others like myself).

I also think you greatly underestimate the extent to which our economy IS zero-sum.[/quote]That’s the most ridiculous post I’ve ever read. My only response to a post like that is lol.

[scaredyclassic]

is it a dog eat dog world, or a dogs creating so many dogs world in a dogworld of ever increasing dog toys?

I used to think it was a doggie-dog world when i was little.

[an]

[quote=scaredyclassic]is it a dog eat dog world, or a dogs creating so many dogs world in a dogworld of ever increasing dog toys?

I used to think it was a doggie-dog world when i was little.[/quote]
Not mutually exclusive.

[an]

Totally agree with flu and ocrenter. AA tend to just put our head down, work hard and take it with no major noise. I posted this on my Facebook and did not hear a peep, not even a like. It’s kinda sad when you think about it.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=flu]

Actually, there is already heavy campaigning going on the chinese news media, and even at the bigger enrichment/ saturday schools in San Diego County….

The problem is that most other news media (mainstream) aren’t covering it….I think that’s where the shock and awe factor would be helpful…[/quote]

The fact that mainstream news media does not cover is not a problem, it is by design. I am not going to be subtle about this: deep-down most non-asians don’t give a sh1t about our issues.
It is our problem and we got to man up and resolve it ourselves. We got the money, we have done it before….all we need is a will to fight it out and organize.

You have at least taken a lead on bringing it to attention.

My friends laugh at me but I always say “if it happened before, it will happen again”.
Let’s not waste time looking for help from “mainstream”, we’ll never get it. I sometimes suspect it is the “mainstream” that is setting us up.

Let’s give up on this petitioning and whining to “mainstream” and focus on organizing. Many of our kids are already in college, some of our cousins are teaching in those same colleges. Why don’t we hear from them?

http://www.readdailynews.com/news-6443238-SCA-5-bill-has-very-serious-consequences:-Chinese-would-have-been-hit.html

[dumbrenter]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]

Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.

I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not.
Jews do a good job whining, African-American civil rights leadership did a great job taking advantage of mass communications by getting into the living rooms of those that did not / would not see what was happening in the south. You can see hispanic community organizing themselves using similar methods.
What worked for them will not work for us. The problems are not the same.
We seem to have drunk heavily on this minority solidarity cool-aid and fed our kids with it too. No wonder we don’t see them organizing on campus.
We can’t even see that many lobbies operate behind the scenes without all the whining and petitioning. And we can’t organize ourselves to do that.
We pay membership fees for Costco, for AAA but where do we pay membership fees for our own community and reach out to similar ones in our neighborhoods?

The problem is us. No amount of petitioning will solve this until most of us understand what the problem is.

[NotCranky]

Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.

This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.

[NotCranky]

Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.

This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.

[NotCranky]

I am disadvantaged with touch control electronics devices. People with little hands must make them.

[Coronita]

[quote=Blogstar]I am disadvantaged with touch control electronics devices. People with little hands must make them.[/quote]

Lol.. Thanks for making my laugh for today..

[ocrenter]

[quote=flu][quote=Blogstar]I am disadvantaged with touch control electronics devices. People with little hands must make them.[/quote]

Lol.. Thanks for making my laugh for today..[/quote]

I think that’s also why Asian doctors are preferred…

[ocrenter]

[quote=Blogstar]Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.

This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.[/quote]

that’s the problem people don’t seem to get.

you get a guy that’s well suited for SDSU and bump him up so he can get to UCLA and he’s going to get burnt. Everything in college is graded on a bell shaped curve. So you pretty much just guarenteed he’ll be lagging behind the curve in college, and probaly eventually drop out.

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