California Senate Passes Discrimination Bill SCA-5….

[ocrenter]

[quote=dumbrenter]
– limiting % of koreans running japanese restaurants in san diego
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ROFLMAO

[ocrenter]

[quote=Clueless][quote=Clueless]To kill the bill at the Assembly, which is the most effective next step,, please Email, Call, or fax to the Assemblymember in your area:

(1). Brian Maienschein – District 77 (Carmel Valley, Poway, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mirama, etc.): http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/member/AD77 (It worked for me ! His office replied my email in 2h)
(2). Rocky Chavez – District 76 (Carlsbad, Encinitas, Oceanside, etc.): http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/member/AD76/

You can find your district by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Assembly_districts
CA Republic Assembly members: ttp://republican.assembly.ca.gov/?p=members&o=d#bottom
CA All Assembly members: http://assembly.ca.gov/assemblymembers

Flu- I send you a message, please check it out.[/quote]

Just state: I am against SCA5, Please vote No to SCA5.[/quote]

+1

signed the petitions and writing e-mail to my assemblymember.

already a victim of affirmative action back in the early 90’s, not about to see it happen with my kid too.

[ocrenter]

I see this Ed Hernandez guy actually represents HALF of the San Gabriel Valley.

WTF?!!!!

[Coronita]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN]
I think in honor of this bill, I’ll change my kid’s last name to Hernandez, just to make a mockery of this ridiculous “law”….

Please sign the petition, and get your significant other and all of your family members and relatives to sign… I wonder if on the application, you check the Hispanic box. Would they be able to tell? Maybe that’s one way around it. You can very well have a Chinese dad and a Mexican mom and you just happen to identify yourself more with your Hispanic heritage. That way, you don’t have to go through the hassle of changing your name :-).[/quote]

Hey, there’s a little known community of Cantonese immigrants in Mexicali, these immigrants to the US are considered “Hispanics.” I have had some encounters with them throughout the years, to see these guys speaking Spanish and needing Spanish translators is a real trip.

I think my daughter just became one of these Hispanic Cantonese from Mexicali… hehe[/quote]

Lol.. The Congressman should have just passed a law requiring every asian applicant to change their last name, and then all the sudden, problem solved.

FWIW: 3 senator some of you folks should know about..

Senator Carol Liu (D)
http://sd25.senate.ca.gov/

Senator Ted Lieu (D)
http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/

Senator Leland Yee (D)
http://sd08.senate.ca.gov/

Some of you folks in their districts better be doing everything you can to make sure these 3 punks lose their jobs next election…. all voted yes because…well let’s not go there…Make sure their mistake will be a career ending move…permanently…

(Ted Lieu, you are definitely going down for this. You’re district includes Beverly Hills, Redondo Beach, Palos Verdes, Manhattan Beach, West Hollywood, Torrance, Pacific Palisades, Venice, Brentwood…Dumbass..Good luck getting any backing there…. See Ya!)

…Even if they now are back-peddling.. Because of the shit storm they are now getting…

Not that I advocate preferential treatment of any race or ethnicity. But they definitely deserve to lose their jobs for voting something that directly attacks any one specific ethnicity…

Good riddance…

http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/news/2014-02-27-sens-lieu-yee-and-liu-ask-hernandez-hold-sca-5

More time needed to study impacts, reach out to affected communities

SACRAMENTO – Sens. Ted Lieu, D-Redondo Beach; Leland Yee, D-San Francisco/San Mateo; and Carol Liu, D- La Cañada/Flintridge) have called upon Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, to hold SCA 5 to provide more time to discuss the potential impacts the bill will have on the Chinese, Asian Pacific Islander and other affected communities. Yee, Lieu and Liu released the following joint statement:

“As lifelong advocates for the Chinese American and other API communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children. Prior to this vote, we heard no opposition to this bill. However, in the past few weeks, we have heard from thousands of people throughout California concerned about SCA 5. As a result, we have asked Sen. Hernandez to hold SCA 5 until he has an opportunity to meet with affected communities and attempt to build a consensus.”

SCA 5 is authored by Hernandez. If passed, the bill would place an initiative on the November Ballot that would remove all references to public education from Proposition 209, which amended the state constitution to prohibit state government institutions from considering race, sex or ethnicity in the areas of public employment, public contracting or public education.

– See more at: http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/news/2014-02-27-sens-lieu-yee-and-liu-ask-hernandez-hold-sca-5#sthash.IFNiUukd.dpuf

[Anonymous]

If you Asians weren’t so damn smart none of this would have ever happened.

[ocrenter]

[quote=harvey]If you Asians weren’t so damn smart none of this would have ever happened.[/quote]

Smart but apathetic. I’m in complete shock this guy has gotten zero blowback from all of the Asians in his district.

[ocrenter]

[quote=flu]

Lol.. The Congressman should have just passed a law requiring every asian applicant to change their last name, and then all the sudden, problem solved.

FWIW: 3 senator some of you folks should know about..

Senator Carol Liu (D)
http://sd25.senate.ca.gov/

Senator Ted Lieu (D)
http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/

Senator Leland Yee (D)
http://sd08.senate.ca.gov/

Some of you folks in their districts better be doing everything you can to make sure these 3 punks lose their jobs next election…. all voted yes because…well let’s not go there…Make sure their mistake will be a career ending move…permanently…

(Ted Lieu, you’re definitely going down for this. You’re district includes Beverly Hills, Redondo Beach, Palos Verdes, Manhattan Beach, West Hollywood, Torrance, Pacific Palisades, Venice, Brentwood…Dumbass..Good luck getting any backing there…. See Ya!)

…Even if they now are back-peddling.. Because of the shit storm they are now getting…

Not that I advocate preferential treatment of any race or ethnicity. But they definitely deserve to lose their jobs for voting something that directly attacks any one specific ethnicity…

Good riddance…

http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/news/2014-02-27-sens-lieu-yee-and-liu-ask-hernandez-hold-sca-5

More time needed to study impacts, reach out to affected communities

SACRAMENTO – Sens. Ted Lieu, D-Redondo Beach; Leland Yee, D-San Francisco/San Mateo; and Carol Liu, D- La Cañada/Flintridge) have called upon Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-West Covina, to hold SCA 5 to provide more time to discuss the potential impacts the bill will have on the Chinese, Asian Pacific Islander and other affected communities. Yee, Lieu and Liu released the following joint statement:

“As lifelong advocates for the Chinese American and other API communities, we would never support a policy that we believed would negatively impact our children. Prior to this vote, we heard no opposition to this bill. However, in the past few weeks, we have heard from thousands of people throughout California concerned about SCA 5. As a result, we have asked Sen. Hernandez to hold SCA 5 until he has an opportunity to meet with affected communities and attempt to build a consensus.”

SCA 5 is authored by Hernandez. If passed, the bill would place an initiative on the November Ballot that would remove all references to public education from Proposition 209, which amended the state constitution to prohibit state government institutions from considering race, sex or ethnicity in the areas of public employment, public contracting or public education.

– See more at: http://sd28.senate.ca.gov/news/2014-02-27-sens-lieu-yee-and-liu-ask-hernandez-hold-sca-5#sthash.IFNiUukd.dpuf

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You are absolutely right, these are total losers that deserve what’s coming to them.

Now back to this Hernandez guy. Seem like this guy doesn’t give up and just keep on pushing this type of racist bills over and over again, despite representing a sizable Asian constituants. I guess he already figured out we are just completely apathetic that it doesn’t matter how anti-Asian he is, he’ll still get elected.

[flyer]

[quote=CA renter][quote=flyer]Extremely interesting, CAR, thank you.

In the final analysis, one, regardless of how gifted, does still have to go out into the world and find a place for his or her “giftedness,” regardless of what variety. It is in this “transference to real life,” if you will, that we have seen the greatest level of failure among many we have known.

To use an extreme example: After shooting under par on the links, the budding concert pianist who conceives of a new black hole theory between bars, then writes a screenplay during intermission, but never finds a “home” in which to place his or her talents, for all practical purposes, will, most likely, not live a happy, fulfilling or productive life.

The “gifted” walk a fine line in life, and that is why we have always taken great care to strike a balance concerning this issue. It hasn’t been easy, but, because we have tried to stay uber aware of the pitfalls, the “giftedness” has turned out to be a blessing, rather than a curse in our family.[/quote]

Absolutely, flyer, high IQ can be a curse as much as it is a blessing. There is also a correlation between high IQs and mental illness.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/intelligence-linked-to-bipolar-disorder/0005518

http://www.livescience.com/36259-anxiety-linked-high-iq.html

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10086.aspx

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Like your story, some friends of my parents had a son with a 160+ IQ. He attended an Ivy League university and law school, and eventually opened his own practice in NY. Within a few years, he started acting irrationally…had to leave the business and moved back into his parents house where he remained indefinitely (last time I heard of him, he was still living there, decades later), walking around in his robe and reading lots and lots of voluminous, intellectually challenging books.

There are many stories just like this out there, as I’m sure you know. It’s why I think we ought to give equal(?) consideration to non-academic accomplishments when choosing between college applicants. I’d personally like to see more students who are more focused on ways to make the world a better place, as opposed to those who are simply focused on improving their own lot. That’s what colleges try to do when they look at essays, interviews, extracurricular activities and accomplishments, which I think is a good thing.

And just to be clear, I’m opposed to racial quotas, too. Just wanted to toss around the idea that, no matter what the deciding factors are, college entrance requirements are discriminatory by their very nature. Oftentimes, what they are discriminating for (or against) are things that people are born with…like skin color, physical ability (in the case of athletic scholarships, etc.) or intelligence. How can we really determine what is “fair”?[/quote]

Yes, CAR, we too have heard many stories like the one you related. That’s why we took proactive steps to try to minimize the “curse of giftedness,” and our efforts seemed to have worked so far.

Regarding the current issue being discussed, IMO, life itself is difficult enough by nature, without imposing any type of quotas at the educational level.

Many of my kids friends who thought the sacred degree would assure them life would be a “slam dunk” after college, have found a very different reality.

When my wife and I, and our peers, graduated from college, life was pretty much a “slam dunk,” with any degree, but today, (per my experience watching my own kids and their friends compete for the gold) if you’re going after the most coveted career positions, you’re going to need a lot more than a piece of paper to get what you want in life.

I won’t even begin to go into detail about what it took to get my daughter into Harvard Med, and it had nothing to do with race.

[flyer]

Not to add fuel to the current topic’s fire, (and I’m on your “side”) but, this subject encouraged me to do more research on a topic I wasn’t familiar with, and I found the following.

Apparently, this issue might extend to the elite colleges as well.

http://blog.priceonomics.com/post/48794283011/do-elite-colleges-discriminate-against-asians

[Coronita]

For folks that are interested in writing to your congressman, but aren’t sure what to write, here’s a tip/sample letter…

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Enough said…

[ocrenter]

[quote=flu]For folks that are interested in writing to your congressman, but aren’t sure what to write, here’s a tip/sample letter…

Enough said…

[img_assist|nid=17929|title=no on sca 5|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=461|height=600][/quote]

Dude, you need to mail this letter to that Hernandez clown. That’s powerful, flu, you should be proud.

[Coronita]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]For folks that are interested in writing to your congressman, but aren’t sure what to write, here’s a tip/sample letter…

Enough said…

[img_assist|nid=17929|title=no on sca 5|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=461|height=600][/quote]

Dude, you need to mail this letter to that Hernandez clown. That’s powerful, flu, you should be proud.[/quote]

Tonight, I think my kid learned 2 things the hard way.

1. Life isn’t fair….

2. What a lawyer does….

Hopefully, she won’t follow in my footsteps and become a useless enginerd….

Interestingly the CA teachers association backed this racist bill….

[CA renter]

[quote=flyer]
Yes, CAR, we too have heard many stories like the one you related. That’s why we took proactive steps to try to minimize the “curse of giftedness,” and our efforts seemed to have worked so far.

Regarding the current issue being discussed, IMO, life itself is difficult enough by nature, without imposing any type of quotas at the educational level.

Many of my kids friends who thought the sacred degree would assure them life would be a “slam dunk” after college, have found a very different reality.

When my wife and I, and our peers, graduated from college, life was pretty much a “slam dunk,” with any degree, but today, (per my experience watching my own kids and their friends compete for the gold) if you’re going after the most coveted career positions, you’re going to need a lot more than a piece of paper to get what you want in life.

I won’t even begin to go into detail about what it took to get my daughter into Harvard Med, and it had nothing to do with race.[/quote]

This is what scares me. It’s not so much about the education, but the ever-narrowing door through which one must pass in order to “succeed” in life. As a percentage of the population, fewer and fewer people are going to be able to find (or create) jobs that will be able to sustain them over their lifetimes, IMO.

The popular push to get everyone into college with a STEM major is part of the problem, IMHO. The PTB want a far cheaper and more qualified pool of applicants for increasingly restrictive job openings, so they are pushing everyone to get an advanced or STEM degree, all the while reducing the subsidies and increasing tuition costs. It used to be that people could have more general abilities and the companies would train for the more specific nature of the jobs they wanted to fill, but with the transient nature of employment these days, no company wants to make that investment.

Students/job seekers are being fed the myth that *they* are the problem, when (IMO) the problem is our global economic system. We have an oversupply of labor, globally-speaking, and demand for the goods and services being sold is drying up in many cases. So now, parents are expected to shell out upwards of six figures for their children’s educations without any guarantee of a decent job…or even if the decent job exists today, no guarantee that the (very expensive!) specialized training will be able to qualify that person for a job in another field if the job market should change.

And let’s just consider for a moment what would happen if *everybody* got an engineering degree. What would happen to wages for those job applicants? Would our economy, or the job market, be any better off? If we compare the “innovations” of the past few years with the innovations from our “glory days” in the 1940s-1960s, we’re not doing so well. If Facebook is what we consider to be innovation and progress, then we’re in serious trouble, IMHO.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]Students/job seekers are being fed the myth that *they* are the problem, when (IMO) the problem is our global economic system. We have an oversupply of labor, globally-speaking, and demand for the goods and services being sold is drying up in many cases. So now, parents are expected to shell out upwards of six figures for their children’s educations without any guarantee of a decent job…or even if the decent job exists today, no guarantee that the specialized training will be able to qualify that person for a job in another field if the job market should change.[/quote]Really? Upward of 6 figures? CSU tuition are only ~$6k/year while UC are about $12k/year. That’s hardly 6 figures. Now, if you waste your money on private school for a degree that doesn’t pay, well, that’s essentially your own fault for wasting that money. No one forces you to pay $40k/year for a BA in underwater basket weaving.
[quote=CA renter]And let’s just consider for a moment what would happen if *everybody* got an engineering degree. What would happen to wages for those job applicants? Would our economy, or the job market, be any better off? If we compare the “innovations” of the past few years with the innovations from our “glory days” in the 1940s-1960s, we’re not doing so well. If Facebook is what we consider to be innovation and progress, then we’re in serious trouble, IMHO.[/quote]There’s much more than just Facebook. How about iPhone, Android phones, iPad, autonomous cars, drones, computing power that far exceed desktop computers from 10 years ago in the palm of your hand, 24/7 connectivity, ability to communicate and see people across the globe, voice recognition, nano-tech, biotech, etc. I can go on and on and on. You seriously need to open your eyes if you think Facebook is the only innovation we got in the last few years.
As for if everyone has an engineering degree, you fail to see that it’s not a zero sum game. Even more start ups will occur and maybe we’ll find new markets and new innovations. Maybe we’ll have EV cars that can drive 1000 miles and cellphones that’ll last a month. Maybe we’ll have a cure for cancer and AIDS. Maybe we’ll be able to do things we never would have thought of.

[CA renter]

[quote=flyer]

Yes, CAR, we too have heard many stories like the one you related. That’s why we took proactive steps to try to minimize the “curse of giftedness,” and our efforts seemed to have worked so far.

[/quote]

Would you mind sharing what you did to help your kids out in this area, flyer? I’m sure there are at least a few Piggs here who could learn from your experience.

[Author]

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