American Flag not welcome on Cinco de Mayo…in the USA

[sdduuuude]

[quote=eavesdropper]I sincerely hope that tomorrow’s headline reads “200 Live Oak students given 3-day detention for walking out of class”.[/quote]

HA! Yeah.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]
I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.
[/quote]

Where have you been? Do a little search about posts I made here 3 years ago on Bush, and it will dig up that I hated him to. Frankly, the only person that I thought was *decent* was Clinton and Congress during that administration because the government pretty much left everyone alone.

Obama’s plan is to redistribute wealth from hard working upper middle class people (who nevertheless still depend on a paycheck) to people who made bad decisions, with no morale hazard.

[quote]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.
[/quote]

Trust me, I’m not jealous of those people that depend on hand-outs, because eventually a good portion ends up back where they started.

What does piss me off is having someone force me to give out a handout. Your dad analogy is totally erroneous…Your dad analogy would have been more accurate if your dad decided to empty part of your piggie bank you diligently tucked away from hard work and sacrifice…only to give it to your brother after he spent his money on girls and booze and couldn’t afford to pay the bills, and for your brother after being made whole again, getting drunk, and spending more money and being worse off with no remorse….Or as more recent terms, your brother taking your money, taking to Vegas, winning a big bet, and not paying you back…with interest…If you’re ok with that, please give me your bank account number. Although I am generally very conservative in spending, I can very easily demonstrate how I could blow through several thousands of dollars of money that isn’t mine and which I don’t have to pay back.

[quote]
Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

[/quote]

Are you serious about this one?

[quote]
Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.
[/quote]

Again, you’re missing my point here. Someone speaking a foreign language “bothering/not bothering” others is not the issue (spanish/chinese/whatever doesn’t bother me)

In a public school system with public funds paid for by taxpayers, the expectation is to provide a common/lowest common denominator education math/science/english. A school’s job is to provide that basic curriculum, and any remaining funds beyond that spent appropriately on enrichment programs (including language programs).
This isn’t different from religion and the principle behind separating church from state. That entire principle is to ensure that we get to a lowest common demoninator, where public institutions could more universally apply to *most* of the people. There is nothing wrong with the group organization to participate in Cinco de Mayo, but for a public school to dictate how/when/other non-participants need to act/dress/etc (when there is no outwardly demonstrating hostility), that is a different issue.

Again, if everyday, your manager came to you and say, “well, we’re going to start the first hour and talk about the Bible. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want, but that’s how the our company is going to operate. During that time, you can’t do anything that is would be perceived as disrespectful us during that time..In God’s view, when it’s his time, we require everyone around us to be silent and not do anything. So you cannot talk/browse the internet/work during that time…And BTW, you still must show up for work on time and be here while we conduct our daily Bible time.”

Would you be ok with that? Because I don’t see difference between handling of religion/church/state issues and foreign cultures/languages in a public school/environment.

So answer me, you ok with the daily prayer scenario? , The Bible thing is OK with me…I don’t mind if this were to be a law. Would you be ok with it?

[quote]
Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.[/quote]

The administrators were setting RESTRICTIONS to others not participating. That’s the issue. Personally, I wish this issue would happen in my community. I would be interested in seeing this go to court…Imho, you can’t have it both ways: you can’t have separation of church and state while having public schools have such handlings of “cultural diversity” at the same time.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]
I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.
[/quote]

Where have you been? Do a little search about posts I made here 3 years ago on Bush, and it will dig up that I hated him to. Frankly, the only person that I thought was *decent* was Clinton and Congress during that administration because the government pretty much left everyone alone.

Obama’s plan is to redistribute wealth from hard working upper middle class people (who nevertheless still depend on a paycheck) to people who made bad decisions, with no morale hazard.

[quote]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.
[/quote]

Trust me, I’m not jealous of those people that depend on hand-outs, because eventually a good portion ends up back where they started.

What does piss me off is having someone force me to give out a handout. Your dad analogy is totally erroneous…Your dad analogy would have been more accurate if your dad decided to empty part of your piggie bank you diligently tucked away from hard work and sacrifice…only to give it to your brother after he spent his money on girls and booze and couldn’t afford to pay the bills, and for your brother after being made whole again, getting drunk, and spending more money and being worse off with no remorse….Or as more recent terms, your brother taking your money, taking to Vegas, winning a big bet, and not paying you back…with interest…If you’re ok with that, please give me your bank account number. Although I am generally very conservative in spending, I can very easily demonstrate how I could blow through several thousands of dollars of money that isn’t mine and which I don’t have to pay back.

[quote]
Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

[/quote]

Are you serious about this one?

[quote]
Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.
[/quote]

Again, you’re missing my point here. Someone speaking a foreign language “bothering/not bothering” others is not the issue (spanish/chinese/whatever doesn’t bother me)

In a public school system with public funds paid for by taxpayers, the expectation is to provide a common/lowest common denominator education math/science/english. A school’s job is to provide that basic curriculum, and any remaining funds beyond that spent appropriately on enrichment programs (including language programs).
This isn’t different from religion and the principle behind separating church from state. That entire principle is to ensure that we get to a lowest common demoninator, where public institutions could more universally apply to *most* of the people. There is nothing wrong with the group organization to participate in Cinco de Mayo, but for a public school to dictate how/when/other non-participants need to act/dress/etc (when there is no outwardly demonstrating hostility), that is a different issue.

Again, if everyday, your manager came to you and say, “well, we’re going to start the first hour and talk about the Bible. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want, but that’s how the our company is going to operate. During that time, you can’t do anything that is would be perceived as disrespectful us during that time..In God’s view, when it’s his time, we require everyone around us to be silent and not do anything. So you cannot talk/browse the internet/work during that time…And BTW, you still must show up for work on time and be here while we conduct our daily Bible time.”

Would you be ok with that? Because I don’t see difference between handling of religion/church/state issues and foreign cultures/languages in a public school/environment.

So answer me, you ok with the daily prayer scenario? , The Bible thing is OK with me…I don’t mind if this were to be a law. Would you be ok with it?

[quote]
Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.[/quote]

The administrators were setting RESTRICTIONS to others not participating. That’s the issue. Personally, I wish this issue would happen in my community. I would be interested in seeing this go to court…Imho, you can’t have it both ways: you can’t have separation of church and state while having public schools have such handlings of “cultural diversity” at the same time.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]
I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.
[/quote]

Where have you been? Do a little search about posts I made here 3 years ago on Bush, and it will dig up that I hated him to. Frankly, the only person that I thought was *decent* was Clinton and Congress during that administration because the government pretty much left everyone alone.

Obama’s plan is to redistribute wealth from hard working upper middle class people (who nevertheless still depend on a paycheck) to people who made bad decisions, with no morale hazard.

[quote]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.
[/quote]

Trust me, I’m not jealous of those people that depend on hand-outs, because eventually a good portion ends up back where they started.

What does piss me off is having someone force me to give out a handout. Your dad analogy is totally erroneous…Your dad analogy would have been more accurate if your dad decided to empty part of your piggie bank you diligently tucked away from hard work and sacrifice…only to give it to your brother after he spent his money on girls and booze and couldn’t afford to pay the bills, and for your brother after being made whole again, getting drunk, and spending more money and being worse off with no remorse….Or as more recent terms, your brother taking your money, taking to Vegas, winning a big bet, and not paying you back…with interest…If you’re ok with that, please give me your bank account number. Although I am generally very conservative in spending, I can very easily demonstrate how I could blow through several thousands of dollars of money that isn’t mine and which I don’t have to pay back.

[quote]
Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

[/quote]

Are you serious about this one?

[quote]
Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.
[/quote]

Again, you’re missing my point here. Someone speaking a foreign language “bothering/not bothering” others is not the issue (spanish/chinese/whatever doesn’t bother me)

In a public school system with public funds paid for by taxpayers, the expectation is to provide a common/lowest common denominator education math/science/english. A school’s job is to provide that basic curriculum, and any remaining funds beyond that spent appropriately on enrichment programs (including language programs).
This isn’t different from religion and the principle behind separating church from state. That entire principle is to ensure that we get to a lowest common demoninator, where public institutions could more universally apply to *most* of the people. There is nothing wrong with the group organization to participate in Cinco de Mayo, but for a public school to dictate how/when/other non-participants need to act/dress/etc (when there is no outwardly demonstrating hostility), that is a different issue.

Again, if everyday, your manager came to you and say, “well, we’re going to start the first hour and talk about the Bible. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want, but that’s how the our company is going to operate. During that time, you can’t do anything that is would be perceived as disrespectful us during that time..In God’s view, when it’s his time, we require everyone around us to be silent and not do anything. So you cannot talk/browse the internet/work during that time…And BTW, you still must show up for work on time and be here while we conduct our daily Bible time.”

Would you be ok with that? Because I don’t see difference between handling of religion/church/state issues and foreign cultures/languages in a public school/environment.

So answer me, you ok with the daily prayer scenario? , The Bible thing is OK with me…I don’t mind if this were to be a law. Would you be ok with it?

[quote]
Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.[/quote]

The administrators were setting RESTRICTIONS to others not participating. That’s the issue. Personally, I wish this issue would happen in my community. I would be interested in seeing this go to court…Imho, you can’t have it both ways: you can’t have separation of church and state while having public schools have such handlings of “cultural diversity” at the same time.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]
I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.
[/quote]

Where have you been? Do a little search about posts I made here 3 years ago on Bush, and it will dig up that I hated him to. Frankly, the only person that I thought was *decent* was Clinton and Congress during that administration because the government pretty much left everyone alone.

Obama’s plan is to redistribute wealth from hard working upper middle class people (who nevertheless still depend on a paycheck) to people who made bad decisions, with no morale hazard.

[quote]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.
[/quote]

Trust me, I’m not jealous of those people that depend on hand-outs, because eventually a good portion ends up back where they started.

What does piss me off is having someone force me to give out a handout. Your dad analogy is totally erroneous…Your dad analogy would have been more accurate if your dad decided to empty part of your piggie bank you diligently tucked away from hard work and sacrifice…only to give it to your brother after he spent his money on girls and booze and couldn’t afford to pay the bills, and for your brother after being made whole again, getting drunk, and spending more money and being worse off with no remorse….Or as more recent terms, your brother taking your money, taking to Vegas, winning a big bet, and not paying you back…with interest…If you’re ok with that, please give me your bank account number. Although I am generally very conservative in spending, I can very easily demonstrate how I could blow through several thousands of dollars of money that isn’t mine and which I don’t have to pay back.

[quote]
Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

[/quote]

Are you serious about this one?

[quote]
Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.
[/quote]

Again, you’re missing my point here. Someone speaking a foreign language “bothering/not bothering” others is not the issue (spanish/chinese/whatever doesn’t bother me)

In a public school system with public funds paid for by taxpayers, the expectation is to provide a common/lowest common denominator education math/science/english. A school’s job is to provide that basic curriculum, and any remaining funds beyond that spent appropriately on enrichment programs (including language programs).
This isn’t different from religion and the principle behind separating church from state. That entire principle is to ensure that we get to a lowest common demoninator, where public institutions could more universally apply to *most* of the people. There is nothing wrong with the group organization to participate in Cinco de Mayo, but for a public school to dictate how/when/other non-participants need to act/dress/etc (when there is no outwardly demonstrating hostility), that is a different issue.

Again, if everyday, your manager came to you and say, “well, we’re going to start the first hour and talk about the Bible. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want, but that’s how the our company is going to operate. During that time, you can’t do anything that is would be perceived as disrespectful us during that time..In God’s view, when it’s his time, we require everyone around us to be silent and not do anything. So you cannot talk/browse the internet/work during that time…And BTW, you still must show up for work on time and be here while we conduct our daily Bible time.”

Would you be ok with that? Because I don’t see difference between handling of religion/church/state issues and foreign cultures/languages in a public school/environment.

So answer me, you ok with the daily prayer scenario? , The Bible thing is OK with me…I don’t mind if this were to be a law. Would you be ok with it?

[quote]
Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.[/quote]

The administrators were setting RESTRICTIONS to others not participating. That’s the issue. Personally, I wish this issue would happen in my community. I would be interested in seeing this go to court…Imho, you can’t have it both ways: you can’t have separation of church and state while having public schools have such handlings of “cultural diversity” at the same time.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]
I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.
[/quote]

Where have you been? Do a little search about posts I made here 3 years ago on Bush, and it will dig up that I hated him to. Frankly, the only person that I thought was *decent* was Clinton and Congress during that administration because the government pretty much left everyone alone.

Obama’s plan is to redistribute wealth from hard working upper middle class people (who nevertheless still depend on a paycheck) to people who made bad decisions, with no morale hazard.

[quote]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.
[/quote]

Trust me, I’m not jealous of those people that depend on hand-outs, because eventually a good portion ends up back where they started.

What does piss me off is having someone force me to give out a handout. Your dad analogy is totally erroneous…Your dad analogy would have been more accurate if your dad decided to empty part of your piggie bank you diligently tucked away from hard work and sacrifice…only to give it to your brother after he spent his money on girls and booze and couldn’t afford to pay the bills, and for your brother after being made whole again, getting drunk, and spending more money and being worse off with no remorse….Or as more recent terms, your brother taking your money, taking to Vegas, winning a big bet, and not paying you back…with interest…If you’re ok with that, please give me your bank account number. Although I am generally very conservative in spending, I can very easily demonstrate how I could blow through several thousands of dollars of money that isn’t mine and which I don’t have to pay back.

[quote]
Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

[/quote]

Are you serious about this one?

[quote]
Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.
[/quote]

Again, you’re missing my point here. Someone speaking a foreign language “bothering/not bothering” others is not the issue (spanish/chinese/whatever doesn’t bother me)

In a public school system with public funds paid for by taxpayers, the expectation is to provide a common/lowest common denominator education math/science/english. A school’s job is to provide that basic curriculum, and any remaining funds beyond that spent appropriately on enrichment programs (including language programs).
This isn’t different from religion and the principle behind separating church from state. That entire principle is to ensure that we get to a lowest common demoninator, where public institutions could more universally apply to *most* of the people. There is nothing wrong with the group organization to participate in Cinco de Mayo, but for a public school to dictate how/when/other non-participants need to act/dress/etc (when there is no outwardly demonstrating hostility), that is a different issue.

Again, if everyday, your manager came to you and say, “well, we’re going to start the first hour and talk about the Bible. You don’t have to participate if you don’t want, but that’s how the our company is going to operate. During that time, you can’t do anything that is would be perceived as disrespectful us during that time..In God’s view, when it’s his time, we require everyone around us to be silent and not do anything. So you cannot talk/browse the internet/work during that time…And BTW, you still must show up for work on time and be here while we conduct our daily Bible time.”

Would you be ok with that? Because I don’t see difference between handling of religion/church/state issues and foreign cultures/languages in a public school/environment.

So answer me, you ok with the daily prayer scenario? , The Bible thing is OK with me…I don’t mind if this were to be a law. Would you be ok with it?

[quote]
Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.[/quote]

The administrators were setting RESTRICTIONS to others not participating. That’s the issue. Personally, I wish this issue would happen in my community. I would be interested in seeing this go to court…Imho, you can’t have it both ways: you can’t have separation of church and state while having public schools have such handlings of “cultural diversity” at the same time.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed.
[/quote]

I’m hoping for a better economy. Not praying, hoping.

[quote=Arraya]
The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

[/quote]

I somewhat agree.

Globalization will result in a multicultural world. Much more so than now, global mobility be a requirement for finding prosperity.

There is no reason to fear “foreigners”. Work with them, do business with them, learn from them, and thrive together.

30 years from now when Hispanics are the political and economic power in California, when you look back, what side of history do you want to be on?

I don’t believe that people who were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement lived happy lives. They went bitter to the grave.

[quote=Arraya]
Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride”
[/quote]

Their parents compelled them, that’s who.
The nuts don’t fall too far from the tree.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed.
[/quote]

I’m hoping for a better economy. Not praying, hoping.

[quote=Arraya]
The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

[/quote]

I somewhat agree.

Globalization will result in a multicultural world. Much more so than now, global mobility be a requirement for finding prosperity.

There is no reason to fear “foreigners”. Work with them, do business with them, learn from them, and thrive together.

30 years from now when Hispanics are the political and economic power in California, when you look back, what side of history do you want to be on?

I don’t believe that people who were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement lived happy lives. They went bitter to the grave.

[quote=Arraya]
Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride”
[/quote]

Their parents compelled them, that’s who.
The nuts don’t fall too far from the tree.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed.
[/quote]

I’m hoping for a better economy. Not praying, hoping.

[quote=Arraya]
The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

[/quote]

I somewhat agree.

Globalization will result in a multicultural world. Much more so than now, global mobility be a requirement for finding prosperity.

There is no reason to fear “foreigners”. Work with them, do business with them, learn from them, and thrive together.

30 years from now when Hispanics are the political and economic power in California, when you look back, what side of history do you want to be on?

I don’t believe that people who were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement lived happy lives. They went bitter to the grave.

[quote=Arraya]
Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride”
[/quote]

Their parents compelled them, that’s who.
The nuts don’t fall too far from the tree.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed.
[/quote]

I’m hoping for a better economy. Not praying, hoping.

[quote=Arraya]
The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

[/quote]

I somewhat agree.

Globalization will result in a multicultural world. Much more so than now, global mobility be a requirement for finding prosperity.

There is no reason to fear “foreigners”. Work with them, do business with them, learn from them, and thrive together.

30 years from now when Hispanics are the political and economic power in California, when you look back, what side of history do you want to be on?

I don’t believe that people who were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement lived happy lives. They went bitter to the grave.

[quote=Arraya]
Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride”
[/quote]

Their parents compelled them, that’s who.
The nuts don’t fall too far from the tree.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed.
[/quote]

I’m hoping for a better economy. Not praying, hoping.

[quote=Arraya]
The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

[/quote]

I somewhat agree.

Globalization will result in a multicultural world. Much more so than now, global mobility be a requirement for finding prosperity.

There is no reason to fear “foreigners”. Work with them, do business with them, learn from them, and thrive together.

30 years from now when Hispanics are the political and economic power in California, when you look back, what side of history do you want to be on?

I don’t believe that people who were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement lived happy lives. They went bitter to the grave.

[quote=Arraya]
Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride”
[/quote]

Their parents compelled them, that’s who.
The nuts don’t fall too far from the tree.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Arraya][quote=eavesdropper]
It’s time for the madness and polarization to stop, and EVERYBODY needs to man-up! ].[/quote]

you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed. The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

With that said. National, ethnic and religious pride are all closely related psychological conditions born out of some primal survival instinct and cultivated over time. Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride” on that day is the what the teachers feared and tried, in an inappropriate manner, to stop. *A* reaction to the situation was completely understandable because they feared conflict. We should all fear it, if economic deterioration continues.[/quote]

What compelled these students to demonstrate “pride” on May 5 was that they were excluded (I believe, unconsciously) via an action that was the result of policy designed to be inclusionary. I think that the administrators, in an effort to make Hispanic students think that the school was aware of their presence and sensitive to their culture, set up this dress code as part of observance of Cinco de Mayo. Instead of saying to the student body as a whole “In respect for the cultural heritage of your fellow students, we will observe Cinco de Mayo”, they essentially said, “On May 5th, you cannot demonstrate any sign that you take pride in being an American.” This appears to me to be the equivalent of waving a red blanket in front of a bull. The only thing that’s shocking to me is that the administration did not anticipate how some non-Hispanic students would react to the dress code.

All of the Live Oak students are playing the administrators like skilled musicians. The Hispanic students are claiming that they are being irreparably harmed by separation from their culture, and the non-Hispanic students are insisting that they are being forcibly denied their rights to show their patriotism. Bullshit! It’s your basic high school power struggle, grown out of playground disputes, and destined to last long into adulthood. The students have learned well from their elders – throw the correct carefully selected words or phrases into the dispute, and it moves a schoolyard fight into the arena of human rights (and squarely into the sights of a hungry press).

You’re right – we should be very concerned about the possibility (probability?) of further economic deterioration. Because as a nation, we have been reduced to a tribal mentality. Civil discourse is rapidly becoming a memory. We are dividing ourselves before any economic condition, any natural disaster, any other country can do it for us. “Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. ”

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Arraya][quote=eavesdropper]
It’s time for the madness and polarization to stop, and EVERYBODY needs to man-up! ].[/quote]

you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed. The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

With that said. National, ethnic and religious pride are all closely related psychological conditions born out of some primal survival instinct and cultivated over time. Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride” on that day is the what the teachers feared and tried, in an inappropriate manner, to stop. *A* reaction to the situation was completely understandable because they feared conflict. We should all fear it, if economic deterioration continues.[/quote]

What compelled these students to demonstrate “pride” on May 5 was that they were excluded (I believe, unconsciously) via an action that was the result of policy designed to be inclusionary. I think that the administrators, in an effort to make Hispanic students think that the school was aware of their presence and sensitive to their culture, set up this dress code as part of observance of Cinco de Mayo. Instead of saying to the student body as a whole “In respect for the cultural heritage of your fellow students, we will observe Cinco de Mayo”, they essentially said, “On May 5th, you cannot demonstrate any sign that you take pride in being an American.” This appears to me to be the equivalent of waving a red blanket in front of a bull. The only thing that’s shocking to me is that the administration did not anticipate how some non-Hispanic students would react to the dress code.

All of the Live Oak students are playing the administrators like skilled musicians. The Hispanic students are claiming that they are being irreparably harmed by separation from their culture, and the non-Hispanic students are insisting that they are being forcibly denied their rights to show their patriotism. Bullshit! It’s your basic high school power struggle, grown out of playground disputes, and destined to last long into adulthood. The students have learned well from their elders – throw the correct carefully selected words or phrases into the dispute, and it moves a schoolyard fight into the arena of human rights (and squarely into the sights of a hungry press).

You’re right – we should be very concerned about the possibility (probability?) of further economic deterioration. Because as a nation, we have been reduced to a tribal mentality. Civil discourse is rapidly becoming a memory. We are dividing ourselves before any economic condition, any natural disaster, any other country can do it for us. “Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. ”

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Arraya][quote=eavesdropper]
It’s time for the madness and polarization to stop, and EVERYBODY needs to man-up! ].[/quote]

you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed. The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

With that said. National, ethnic and religious pride are all closely related psychological conditions born out of some primal survival instinct and cultivated over time. Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride” on that day is the what the teachers feared and tried, in an inappropriate manner, to stop. *A* reaction to the situation was completely understandable because they feared conflict. We should all fear it, if economic deterioration continues.[/quote]

What compelled these students to demonstrate “pride” on May 5 was that they were excluded (I believe, unconsciously) via an action that was the result of policy designed to be inclusionary. I think that the administrators, in an effort to make Hispanic students think that the school was aware of their presence and sensitive to their culture, set up this dress code as part of observance of Cinco de Mayo. Instead of saying to the student body as a whole “In respect for the cultural heritage of your fellow students, we will observe Cinco de Mayo”, they essentially said, “On May 5th, you cannot demonstrate any sign that you take pride in being an American.” This appears to me to be the equivalent of waving a red blanket in front of a bull. The only thing that’s shocking to me is that the administration did not anticipate how some non-Hispanic students would react to the dress code.

All of the Live Oak students are playing the administrators like skilled musicians. The Hispanic students are claiming that they are being irreparably harmed by separation from their culture, and the non-Hispanic students are insisting that they are being forcibly denied their rights to show their patriotism. Bullshit! It’s your basic high school power struggle, grown out of playground disputes, and destined to last long into adulthood. The students have learned well from their elders – throw the correct carefully selected words or phrases into the dispute, and it moves a schoolyard fight into the arena of human rights (and squarely into the sights of a hungry press).

You’re right – we should be very concerned about the possibility (probability?) of further economic deterioration. Because as a nation, we have been reduced to a tribal mentality. Civil discourse is rapidly becoming a memory. We are dividing ourselves before any economic condition, any natural disaster, any other country can do it for us. “Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. ”

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Arraya][quote=eavesdropper]
It’s time for the madness and polarization to stop, and EVERYBODY needs to man-up! ].[/quote]

you better pray to god the economy gets better. history is pretty clear on what happens with “tribal” mentality in times of economic duress. During the first depression they were rounding up minorities and lynching or deporting them. The gov actually had to make protective camps for migrant workers so the could work without getting harmed. The “progressive gene” only survives in an environment of affluence. Liberals are caught up in a “multicultural” fantasy narrative of progress that was a blip on the larger historical time scale.

With that said. National, ethnic and religious pride are all closely related psychological conditions born out of some primal survival instinct and cultivated over time. Whatever emotions compelled these kids to show “pride” on that day is the what the teachers feared and tried, in an inappropriate manner, to stop. *A* reaction to the situation was completely understandable because they feared conflict. We should all fear it, if economic deterioration continues.[/quote]

What compelled these students to demonstrate “pride” on May 5 was that they were excluded (I believe, unconsciously) via an action that was the result of policy designed to be inclusionary. I think that the administrators, in an effort to make Hispanic students think that the school was aware of their presence and sensitive to their culture, set up this dress code as part of observance of Cinco de Mayo. Instead of saying to the student body as a whole “In respect for the cultural heritage of your fellow students, we will observe Cinco de Mayo”, they essentially said, “On May 5th, you cannot demonstrate any sign that you take pride in being an American.” This appears to me to be the equivalent of waving a red blanket in front of a bull. The only thing that’s shocking to me is that the administration did not anticipate how some non-Hispanic students would react to the dress code.

All of the Live Oak students are playing the administrators like skilled musicians. The Hispanic students are claiming that they are being irreparably harmed by separation from their culture, and the non-Hispanic students are insisting that they are being forcibly denied their rights to show their patriotism. Bullshit! It’s your basic high school power struggle, grown out of playground disputes, and destined to last long into adulthood. The students have learned well from their elders – throw the correct carefully selected words or phrases into the dispute, and it moves a schoolyard fight into the arena of human rights (and squarely into the sights of a hungry press).

You’re right – we should be very concerned about the possibility (probability?) of further economic deterioration. Because as a nation, we have been reduced to a tribal mentality. Civil discourse is rapidly becoming a memory. We are dividing ourselves before any economic condition, any natural disaster, any other country can do it for us. “Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. ”

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