American Flag not welcome on Cinco de Mayo…in the USA

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]
A lot of the fiscal conservatives hate him because in or view, in our mindes, we are the ones that are “making positive change in your our own lives and are the more educated”…because we didn’t count on any of this bailout to keep afloat.
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I don’t think that’s the reason you hate Obama because Bush is the one who started the bailouts.

Obama’s initiatives were mostly “confidence-boosting” PR that were funded within TARP which was passed by Bush. I didn’t hear any call for repealing TARP from conservatives.

Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.

Sure humans will feel jealousy and envy. But that’s the problem of the persons harboring those bitter feelings.

[quote=flu]
Until the United States changes it’s official language from English or officially is bilingual, anything but the English language is/should be an “optional” language, at the sole discretion of the individual/family/or parent.[/quote]

Since when did English become the official language of the USA?

Sure people can learn language at their own discretion. Nobody is forcing anyone.

If Hispanic immigrants won’t learn English, then so what? It doesn’t bother me because I can speak Spanish. I don’t speak that well but I get by. At least I made the effort to learn.

A school’s job is to educate. If most of the students in a school speak Spanish at home, then the teachers should also speak Spanish to be understood. Simple pragmatic pedagogy.

[quote=flu]
To me, respect includes not only respecting cultural diversity from those other cultures, but also respecting those who do NOT wish to participate in the diversity. You cannot force someone to “be more diverse”, and those that choose to not participate in any “diversity program” should not have his/her rights interfered…And it’s a complete fallacy to catogorize folks that do not wish to participate in a cultural diversity event/program as being “racist” or “disrespectful” or “narrow minded”
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Nobody was forcing anyone to participate. The students were participating. The administrators were setting parameters for participating.

[afx114]

I’ve posted this before, but the whole “learn English or don’t come here” thing is bunk. It generally takes at least 2 generations for complete assimilation. This is true for any nation and any language, and has been true for every prior wave of immigrants – Irish, Italian, etc…

1) Immigrant: Speaks native tongue, picks up the local language enough to get by.
2) 2nd generation: Immigrant’s children grow up immersed in the local language and hear it from childhood. Their friends speaks the local language and their schools teach it. Sure, they speak their native tongue at home, only because it’s the optimal way to converse with family who only know the native tongue.
3) By the 3rd generation, the original language is mostly lost, as they prefer to speak the local language.

This is true not only with language but also with other cultural heritage – food, religion, beliefs, morals. I’ve seen this in every Mexican immigrant family I know. And I know a lot. Grandma speaks Spanish, Mom speaks both, and the kids all think Spanish is for the old people. This is how it would work for you and your family if you moved to Japan or Germany or Iran.

This is America — speak whatever the fuck language you want.

[afx114]

I’ve posted this before, but the whole “learn English or don’t come here” thing is bunk. It generally takes at least 2 generations for complete assimilation. This is true for any nation and any language, and has been true for every prior wave of immigrants – Irish, Italian, etc…

1) Immigrant: Speaks native tongue, picks up the local language enough to get by.
2) 2nd generation: Immigrant’s children grow up immersed in the local language and hear it from childhood. Their friends speaks the local language and their schools teach it. Sure, they speak their native tongue at home, only because it’s the optimal way to converse with family who only know the native tongue.
3) By the 3rd generation, the original language is mostly lost, as they prefer to speak the local language.

This is true not only with language but also with other cultural heritage – food, religion, beliefs, morals. I’ve seen this in every Mexican immigrant family I know. And I know a lot. Grandma speaks Spanish, Mom speaks both, and the kids all think Spanish is for the old people. This is how it would work for you and your family if you moved to Japan or Germany or Iran.

This is America — speak whatever the fuck language you want.

[afx114]

I’ve posted this before, but the whole “learn English or don’t come here” thing is bunk. It generally takes at least 2 generations for complete assimilation. This is true for any nation and any language, and has been true for every prior wave of immigrants – Irish, Italian, etc…

1) Immigrant: Speaks native tongue, picks up the local language enough to get by.
2) 2nd generation: Immigrant’s children grow up immersed in the local language and hear it from childhood. Their friends speaks the local language and their schools teach it. Sure, they speak their native tongue at home, only because it’s the optimal way to converse with family who only know the native tongue.
3) By the 3rd generation, the original language is mostly lost, as they prefer to speak the local language.

This is true not only with language but also with other cultural heritage – food, religion, beliefs, morals. I’ve seen this in every Mexican immigrant family I know. And I know a lot. Grandma speaks Spanish, Mom speaks both, and the kids all think Spanish is for the old people. This is how it would work for you and your family if you moved to Japan or Germany or Iran.

This is America — speak whatever the fuck language you want.

[afx114]

I’ve posted this before, but the whole “learn English or don’t come here” thing is bunk. It generally takes at least 2 generations for complete assimilation. This is true for any nation and any language, and has been true for every prior wave of immigrants – Irish, Italian, etc…

1) Immigrant: Speaks native tongue, picks up the local language enough to get by.
2) 2nd generation: Immigrant’s children grow up immersed in the local language and hear it from childhood. Their friends speaks the local language and their schools teach it. Sure, they speak their native tongue at home, only because it’s the optimal way to converse with family who only know the native tongue.
3) By the 3rd generation, the original language is mostly lost, as they prefer to speak the local language.

This is true not only with language but also with other cultural heritage – food, religion, beliefs, morals. I’ve seen this in every Mexican immigrant family I know. And I know a lot. Grandma speaks Spanish, Mom speaks both, and the kids all think Spanish is for the old people. This is how it would work for you and your family if you moved to Japan or Germany or Iran.

This is America — speak whatever the fuck language you want.

[afx114]

I’ve posted this before, but the whole “learn English or don’t come here” thing is bunk. It generally takes at least 2 generations for complete assimilation. This is true for any nation and any language, and has been true for every prior wave of immigrants – Irish, Italian, etc…

1) Immigrant: Speaks native tongue, picks up the local language enough to get by.
2) 2nd generation: Immigrant’s children grow up immersed in the local language and hear it from childhood. Their friends speaks the local language and their schools teach it. Sure, they speak their native tongue at home, only because it’s the optimal way to converse with family who only know the native tongue.
3) By the 3rd generation, the original language is mostly lost, as they prefer to speak the local language.

This is true not only with language but also with other cultural heritage – food, religion, beliefs, morals. I’ve seen this in every Mexican immigrant family I know. And I know a lot. Grandma speaks Spanish, Mom speaks both, and the kids all think Spanish is for the old people. This is how it would work for you and your family if you moved to Japan or Germany or Iran.

This is America — speak whatever the fuck language you want.

[briansd1]

afx114, I’ve observed the same thing. You just have to get invited to a family party where there are 3 or 4 generations present.

The insecurity comes from the people who don’t understand what the newcomers are talking about. They feel like they are losing “their” California and “their” San Diego.

Things change. You have the choice of embracing change or forever feel bitter about it.

[briansd1]

afx114, I’ve observed the same thing. You just have to get invited to a family party where there are 3 or 4 generations present.

The insecurity comes from the people who don’t understand what the newcomers are talking about. They feel like they are losing “their” California and “their” San Diego.

Things change. You have the choice of embracing change or forever feel bitter about it.

[briansd1]

afx114, I’ve observed the same thing. You just have to get invited to a family party where there are 3 or 4 generations present.

The insecurity comes from the people who don’t understand what the newcomers are talking about. They feel like they are losing “their” California and “their” San Diego.

Things change. You have the choice of embracing change or forever feel bitter about it.

[briansd1]

afx114, I’ve observed the same thing. You just have to get invited to a family party where there are 3 or 4 generations present.

The insecurity comes from the people who don’t understand what the newcomers are talking about. They feel like they are losing “their” California and “their” San Diego.

Things change. You have the choice of embracing change or forever feel bitter about it.

[briansd1]

afx114, I’ve observed the same thing. You just have to get invited to a family party where there are 3 or 4 generations present.

The insecurity comes from the people who don’t understand what the newcomers are talking about. They feel like they are losing “their” California and “their” San Diego.

Things change. You have the choice of embracing change or forever feel bitter about it.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.[/quote]

This is a straw man…

Your dad didn’t take money from YOUR piggy bank to buy your brother the gift.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.[/quote]

This is a straw man…

Your dad didn’t take money from YOUR piggy bank to buy your brother the gift.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.[/quote]

This is a straw man…

Your dad didn’t take money from YOUR piggy bank to buy your brother the gift.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Anyway, when I was little I complained that my brother got a gift and I didn’t. My dad told me to worry about what I have, not what others are getting.[/quote]

This is a straw man…

Your dad didn’t take money from YOUR piggy bank to buy your brother the gift.

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