Am I a racist?

[urbanrealtor]

CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg

[ucodegen]

[quote Arraya]An interesting comparison in sub-cultures is the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish were predominately farmers in the appalachian and southern united US pre-WWII. After the war with industrialization and the consolidation of the farming industry they moved into factories(like blacks) and with the advent of outsourcing had their lively hood taken away again.

Now they predominately work at Wall Marts and meth labs, have no insurance, high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, no high-school degree, etc… Which are now turning into kind of a tweaked-out hillbilly gangster culture with creepy strains of dominionism christianity throughout.[/quote]
Excuse me?? You have to be joking. You might want to have some numbers back that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
Joe Biden, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Grant.. They may have started ‘back country’..

[ucodegen]

[quote Arraya]An interesting comparison in sub-cultures is the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish were predominately farmers in the appalachian and southern united US pre-WWII. After the war with industrialization and the consolidation of the farming industry they moved into factories(like blacks) and with the advent of outsourcing had their lively hood taken away again.

Now they predominately work at Wall Marts and meth labs, have no insurance, high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, no high-school degree, etc… Which are now turning into kind of a tweaked-out hillbilly gangster culture with creepy strains of dominionism christianity throughout.[/quote]
Excuse me?? You have to be joking. You might want to have some numbers back that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
Joe Biden, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Grant.. They may have started ‘back country’..

[ucodegen]

[quote Arraya]An interesting comparison in sub-cultures is the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish were predominately farmers in the appalachian and southern united US pre-WWII. After the war with industrialization and the consolidation of the farming industry they moved into factories(like blacks) and with the advent of outsourcing had their lively hood taken away again.

Now they predominately work at Wall Marts and meth labs, have no insurance, high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, no high-school degree, etc… Which are now turning into kind of a tweaked-out hillbilly gangster culture with creepy strains of dominionism christianity throughout.[/quote]
Excuse me?? You have to be joking. You might want to have some numbers back that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
Joe Biden, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Grant.. They may have started ‘back country’..

[ucodegen]

[quote Arraya]An interesting comparison in sub-cultures is the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish were predominately farmers in the appalachian and southern united US pre-WWII. After the war with industrialization and the consolidation of the farming industry they moved into factories(like blacks) and with the advent of outsourcing had their lively hood taken away again.

Now they predominately work at Wall Marts and meth labs, have no insurance, high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, no high-school degree, etc… Which are now turning into kind of a tweaked-out hillbilly gangster culture with creepy strains of dominionism christianity throughout.[/quote]
Excuse me?? You have to be joking. You might want to have some numbers back that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
Joe Biden, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Grant.. They may have started ‘back country’..

[ucodegen]

[quote Arraya]An interesting comparison in sub-cultures is the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish were predominately farmers in the appalachian and southern united US pre-WWII. After the war with industrialization and the consolidation of the farming industry they moved into factories(like blacks) and with the advent of outsourcing had their lively hood taken away again.

Now they predominately work at Wall Marts and meth labs, have no insurance, high crime rates, high rates of teen pregnancy, no high-school degree, etc… Which are now turning into kind of a tweaked-out hillbilly gangster culture with creepy strains of dominionism christianity throughout.[/quote]
Excuse me?? You have to be joking. You might want to have some numbers back that up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
Joe Biden, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Grant.. They may have started ‘back country’..

[Arraya]

First off – Scots-Irish is different than Irish. Second, their plight is documented after WWII. They are the great white underclass. And yes, some did escape their path. Second, Biden and Kennedy don’t qualify. Andrew Jackson is one, though, I am not sure of Grant.

It’s a sad story actually, that most could not pull out of this now decaying drug ridden sub-culture. White people especially don’t like talking about the white underclass, that are mostly Scots-Irish.

It’s a good case study.

A book written by one

Set between 1950 and 1963, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects: social class. Combining recollections, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots-Irish family to chronicle the often heartbreaking postwar journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated postwar shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[img_assist|nid=15280|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=200]

[Arraya]

First off – Scots-Irish is different than Irish. Second, their plight is documented after WWII. They are the great white underclass. And yes, some did escape their path. Second, Biden and Kennedy don’t qualify. Andrew Jackson is one, though, I am not sure of Grant.

It’s a sad story actually, that most could not pull out of this now decaying drug ridden sub-culture. White people especially don’t like talking about the white underclass, that are mostly Scots-Irish.

It’s a good case study.

A book written by one

Set between 1950 and 1963, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects: social class. Combining recollections, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots-Irish family to chronicle the often heartbreaking postwar journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated postwar shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[img_assist|nid=15280|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=200]

[Arraya]

First off – Scots-Irish is different than Irish. Second, their plight is documented after WWII. They are the great white underclass. And yes, some did escape their path. Second, Biden and Kennedy don’t qualify. Andrew Jackson is one, though, I am not sure of Grant.

It’s a sad story actually, that most could not pull out of this now decaying drug ridden sub-culture. White people especially don’t like talking about the white underclass, that are mostly Scots-Irish.

It’s a good case study.

A book written by one

Set between 1950 and 1963, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects: social class. Combining recollections, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots-Irish family to chronicle the often heartbreaking postwar journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated postwar shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[img_assist|nid=15280|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=200]

[Arraya]

First off – Scots-Irish is different than Irish. Second, their plight is documented after WWII. They are the great white underclass. And yes, some did escape their path. Second, Biden and Kennedy don’t qualify. Andrew Jackson is one, though, I am not sure of Grant.

It’s a sad story actually, that most could not pull out of this now decaying drug ridden sub-culture. White people especially don’t like talking about the white underclass, that are mostly Scots-Irish.

It’s a good case study.

A book written by one

Set between 1950 and 1963, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects: social class. Combining recollections, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots-Irish family to chronicle the often heartbreaking postwar journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated postwar shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[img_assist|nid=15280|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=200]

[Arraya]

First off – Scots-Irish is different than Irish. Second, their plight is documented after WWII. They are the great white underclass. And yes, some did escape their path. Second, Biden and Kennedy don’t qualify. Andrew Jackson is one, though, I am not sure of Grant.

It’s a sad story actually, that most could not pull out of this now decaying drug ridden sub-culture. White people especially don’t like talking about the white underclass, that are mostly Scots-Irish.

It’s a good case study.

A book written by one

Set between 1950 and 1963, this coming-of-age memoir discusses one of America’s most taboo subjects: social class. Combining recollections, accounts, and analysis, this book leans on Maw, Pap, Ony Mae, and other members of this rambunctious Scots-Irish family to chronicle the often heartbreaking postwar journey of 22 million rural Americans into the cities, where they became the foundation of a permanent white underclass. Telling the stories of the gun-owning, uninsured, underemployed white tribes inhabiting America’s heartlands, this record offers an intimate look at what was lost in the orchestrated postwar shift from an agricultural to an urban consumer society.

[img_assist|nid=15280|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=200]

[jpinpb]

Ultimately, it really depends on who you would be comfortable having live in your home. Sure there are stereotypes and some of those are carried on and perpetuated by the people themselves. If a black man came to your house in a suit and worked at a stock brokerage company, would you consider him? If a black man came to your house w/a baseball cap backwards and baggy pants down past his butt, working part time would you consider him?

I know this may seem like appearances, but it’s more than that. It’s presentation and what they think of themselves, too. If Hally Berry or Penélope Cruz look-alike came to your house looking for a room to rent, would you say no b/c strictly b/c of their race?

There’s more to this than just race. There’s so many factors to consider besides their job and ability to pay rent and cleanliness and even hobbies. If some white guy wanted to rent a room from me and he played drums in a band and would practice 20 hours a week, I might not want to have him as a roommate.

And of course religion would be considered, as well. If a born-again christian wanted to rent a room from me and I sensed they would be preaching and wanting to convert me, I maybe wouldn’t rent a room to them.

Excuse the pun, but it’s not just so black and white.

And as far as discrimination, I think one should be somewhat discriminating about with whom they will be sharing a home.

[jpinpb]

Ultimately, it really depends on who you would be comfortable having live in your home. Sure there are stereotypes and some of those are carried on and perpetuated by the people themselves. If a black man came to your house in a suit and worked at a stock brokerage company, would you consider him? If a black man came to your house w/a baseball cap backwards and baggy pants down past his butt, working part time would you consider him?

I know this may seem like appearances, but it’s more than that. It’s presentation and what they think of themselves, too. If Hally Berry or Penélope Cruz look-alike came to your house looking for a room to rent, would you say no b/c strictly b/c of their race?

There’s more to this than just race. There’s so many factors to consider besides their job and ability to pay rent and cleanliness and even hobbies. If some white guy wanted to rent a room from me and he played drums in a band and would practice 20 hours a week, I might not want to have him as a roommate.

And of course religion would be considered, as well. If a born-again christian wanted to rent a room from me and I sensed they would be preaching and wanting to convert me, I maybe wouldn’t rent a room to them.

Excuse the pun, but it’s not just so black and white.

And as far as discrimination, I think one should be somewhat discriminating about with whom they will be sharing a home.

[jpinpb]

Ultimately, it really depends on who you would be comfortable having live in your home. Sure there are stereotypes and some of those are carried on and perpetuated by the people themselves. If a black man came to your house in a suit and worked at a stock brokerage company, would you consider him? If a black man came to your house w/a baseball cap backwards and baggy pants down past his butt, working part time would you consider him?

I know this may seem like appearances, but it’s more than that. It’s presentation and what they think of themselves, too. If Hally Berry or Penélope Cruz look-alike came to your house looking for a room to rent, would you say no b/c strictly b/c of their race?

There’s more to this than just race. There’s so many factors to consider besides their job and ability to pay rent and cleanliness and even hobbies. If some white guy wanted to rent a room from me and he played drums in a band and would practice 20 hours a week, I might not want to have him as a roommate.

And of course religion would be considered, as well. If a born-again christian wanted to rent a room from me and I sensed they would be preaching and wanting to convert me, I maybe wouldn’t rent a room to them.

Excuse the pun, but it’s not just so black and white.

And as far as discrimination, I think one should be somewhat discriminating about with whom they will be sharing a home.

[jpinpb]

Ultimately, it really depends on who you would be comfortable having live in your home. Sure there are stereotypes and some of those are carried on and perpetuated by the people themselves. If a black man came to your house in a suit and worked at a stock brokerage company, would you consider him? If a black man came to your house w/a baseball cap backwards and baggy pants down past his butt, working part time would you consider him?

I know this may seem like appearances, but it’s more than that. It’s presentation and what they think of themselves, too. If Hally Berry or Penélope Cruz look-alike came to your house looking for a room to rent, would you say no b/c strictly b/c of their race?

There’s more to this than just race. There’s so many factors to consider besides their job and ability to pay rent and cleanliness and even hobbies. If some white guy wanted to rent a room from me and he played drums in a band and would practice 20 hours a week, I might not want to have him as a roommate.

And of course religion would be considered, as well. If a born-again christian wanted to rent a room from me and I sensed they would be preaching and wanting to convert me, I maybe wouldn’t rent a room to them.

Excuse the pun, but it’s not just so black and white.

And as far as discrimination, I think one should be somewhat discriminating about with whom they will be sharing a home.

[Author]

Posts