$4 gas, free market, tax burden question

[Aecetia]

I found this on the Econbrowser, apparently oil was on $66. a barrel then…. something for the politicos to ponder.

“September 27, 2005
Oil shale report
A number of observers have been pointing to oil shale as the solution to all our energy problems. If oil shale does turn out to be the resource of the future, then our problems are only beginning.

Instapundit sees a ‘plan to put Middle East oil producers out of business’ in this story from the Rocky Mountain News:

[W]ith crude oil above $66 a barrel at the close of trading [on Sept. 20], oil shale is a promising alternative to crude. The Green River shale deposits in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming are estimated to contain 1.5 trillion to 1.8 trillion barrels of oil, and while not all of it can be recovered, half that amount is nearly triple the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia.”

[Arraya]

Methinks the Econbrowser does not understand energy….

You read about “oil from shale”, right? You heard about 1,000 billion barrels of oil out west? Don’t get excited, it’s going to stay there. Dr. Hubbert told the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs it wouldn’t work, three years ago this month.
It really sounds simple. You “simply” dig up such enormous quantities of shale (1.88 million tons a day,) that it’s equal to digging a Panama Canal every week. You crush it fine and heat to 1,100 degrees in a retort to boil off the oil locked in the rock. Then you get rid of the rock. Only now it’s turned caustic and has increased in bulk by 20% to 33%. So you back-fill the leftovers, called tailings, into the hole you dug it out of. Since you still have a lot left over, you dump it into the empty scenic canyons of the west. To do this you need to grab off 89% of the undeveloped water of Colorado and Utah and half of Wyoming’s. Oh yes, and you turn the Colorado River system into alkaline salts which means you wreck the agriculture in Colorado, Arizona and southern California. What will this get you? 1-1/2 million barrels of oil a day out of the 17 million per day that the U.S. is using!

A news item in the Milwaukee Journal of August 29, 1976,25 says that the last of the oil shale development companies, Standard Oil, Gulf, Shell and Ashland, have walked away from the projects in Colorado and Utah, asking the Department of the Interior to release them from paying any more on their leases. Standard and Gulf have already paid $126 million of the $210 million they bid, and Shell and Ashland have paid about $70 million of the $117.8 million they bid. You have to admit they tried, really tried and they spent a big buck to make it work, but it won’t

-Theoildrum

[Arraya]

Methinks the Econbrowser does not understand energy….

You read about “oil from shale”, right? You heard about 1,000 billion barrels of oil out west? Don’t get excited, it’s going to stay there. Dr. Hubbert told the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs it wouldn’t work, three years ago this month.
It really sounds simple. You “simply” dig up such enormous quantities of shale (1.88 million tons a day,) that it’s equal to digging a Panama Canal every week. You crush it fine and heat to 1,100 degrees in a retort to boil off the oil locked in the rock. Then you get rid of the rock. Only now it’s turned caustic and has increased in bulk by 20% to 33%. So you back-fill the leftovers, called tailings, into the hole you dug it out of. Since you still have a lot left over, you dump it into the empty scenic canyons of the west. To do this you need to grab off 89% of the undeveloped water of Colorado and Utah and half of Wyoming’s. Oh yes, and you turn the Colorado River system into alkaline salts which means you wreck the agriculture in Colorado, Arizona and southern California. What will this get you? 1-1/2 million barrels of oil a day out of the 17 million per day that the U.S. is using!

A news item in the Milwaukee Journal of August 29, 1976,25 says that the last of the oil shale development companies, Standard Oil, Gulf, Shell and Ashland, have walked away from the projects in Colorado and Utah, asking the Department of the Interior to release them from paying any more on their leases. Standard and Gulf have already paid $126 million of the $210 million they bid, and Shell and Ashland have paid about $70 million of the $117.8 million they bid. You have to admit they tried, really tried and they spent a big buck to make it work, but it won’t

-Theoildrum

[Arraya]

Methinks the Econbrowser does not understand energy….

You read about “oil from shale”, right? You heard about 1,000 billion barrels of oil out west? Don’t get excited, it’s going to stay there. Dr. Hubbert told the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs it wouldn’t work, three years ago this month.
It really sounds simple. You “simply” dig up such enormous quantities of shale (1.88 million tons a day,) that it’s equal to digging a Panama Canal every week. You crush it fine and heat to 1,100 degrees in a retort to boil off the oil locked in the rock. Then you get rid of the rock. Only now it’s turned caustic and has increased in bulk by 20% to 33%. So you back-fill the leftovers, called tailings, into the hole you dug it out of. Since you still have a lot left over, you dump it into the empty scenic canyons of the west. To do this you need to grab off 89% of the undeveloped water of Colorado and Utah and half of Wyoming’s. Oh yes, and you turn the Colorado River system into alkaline salts which means you wreck the agriculture in Colorado, Arizona and southern California. What will this get you? 1-1/2 million barrels of oil a day out of the 17 million per day that the U.S. is using!

A news item in the Milwaukee Journal of August 29, 1976,25 says that the last of the oil shale development companies, Standard Oil, Gulf, Shell and Ashland, have walked away from the projects in Colorado and Utah, asking the Department of the Interior to release them from paying any more on their leases. Standard and Gulf have already paid $126 million of the $210 million they bid, and Shell and Ashland have paid about $70 million of the $117.8 million they bid. You have to admit they tried, really tried and they spent a big buck to make it work, but it won’t

-Theoildrum

[Arraya]

Methinks the Econbrowser does not understand energy….

You read about “oil from shale”, right? You heard about 1,000 billion barrels of oil out west? Don’t get excited, it’s going to stay there. Dr. Hubbert told the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs it wouldn’t work, three years ago this month.
It really sounds simple. You “simply” dig up such enormous quantities of shale (1.88 million tons a day,) that it’s equal to digging a Panama Canal every week. You crush it fine and heat to 1,100 degrees in a retort to boil off the oil locked in the rock. Then you get rid of the rock. Only now it’s turned caustic and has increased in bulk by 20% to 33%. So you back-fill the leftovers, called tailings, into the hole you dug it out of. Since you still have a lot left over, you dump it into the empty scenic canyons of the west. To do this you need to grab off 89% of the undeveloped water of Colorado and Utah and half of Wyoming’s. Oh yes, and you turn the Colorado River system into alkaline salts which means you wreck the agriculture in Colorado, Arizona and southern California. What will this get you? 1-1/2 million barrels of oil a day out of the 17 million per day that the U.S. is using!

A news item in the Milwaukee Journal of August 29, 1976,25 says that the last of the oil shale development companies, Standard Oil, Gulf, Shell and Ashland, have walked away from the projects in Colorado and Utah, asking the Department of the Interior to release them from paying any more on their leases. Standard and Gulf have already paid $126 million of the $210 million they bid, and Shell and Ashland have paid about $70 million of the $117.8 million they bid. You have to admit they tried, really tried and they spent a big buck to make it work, but it won’t

-Theoildrum

[Arraya]

Methinks the Econbrowser does not understand energy….

You read about “oil from shale”, right? You heard about 1,000 billion barrels of oil out west? Don’t get excited, it’s going to stay there. Dr. Hubbert told the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs it wouldn’t work, three years ago this month.
It really sounds simple. You “simply” dig up such enormous quantities of shale (1.88 million tons a day,) that it’s equal to digging a Panama Canal every week. You crush it fine and heat to 1,100 degrees in a retort to boil off the oil locked in the rock. Then you get rid of the rock. Only now it’s turned caustic and has increased in bulk by 20% to 33%. So you back-fill the leftovers, called tailings, into the hole you dug it out of. Since you still have a lot left over, you dump it into the empty scenic canyons of the west. To do this you need to grab off 89% of the undeveloped water of Colorado and Utah and half of Wyoming’s. Oh yes, and you turn the Colorado River system into alkaline salts which means you wreck the agriculture in Colorado, Arizona and southern California. What will this get you? 1-1/2 million barrels of oil a day out of the 17 million per day that the U.S. is using!

A news item in the Milwaukee Journal of August 29, 1976,25 says that the last of the oil shale development companies, Standard Oil, Gulf, Shell and Ashland, have walked away from the projects in Colorado and Utah, asking the Department of the Interior to release them from paying any more on their leases. Standard and Gulf have already paid $126 million of the $210 million they bid, and Shell and Ashland have paid about $70 million of the $117.8 million they bid. You have to admit they tried, really tried and they spent a big buck to make it work, but it won’t

-Theoildrum

[Aecetia]

Perhaps clean energy is more to your liking:
How about this? Toshiba’s building a “Micro Nuclear” reactor for your garage?
Posted Dec 19th 2007 11:40AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Household

Alright, details are slim, and we really have no idea if Toshiba has any plans whatsoever to sell these nuclear reactors to consumers — in fact, we hope it doesn’t — but it does seem like the company is well on its way to commercializing the design. Toshiba’s Micro Nuclear reactors are designed to power a single apartment building or city block, and measure a mere 20-feet by 6-feet. The 200 kilowatt reactor is fully automatic and fail-safe, and is completely self-sustaining. It uses special liquid lithium-6 reservoirs instead of traditional control rods, and can last up to 40 years, making energy for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour. Toshiba has been testing the reactors since 2005, and hopes to install its first reactor in Japan in 2008, with marketing to Europe and America in 2009.

[Aecetia]

Perhaps clean energy is more to your liking:
How about this? Toshiba’s building a “Micro Nuclear” reactor for your garage?
Posted Dec 19th 2007 11:40AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Household

Alright, details are slim, and we really have no idea if Toshiba has any plans whatsoever to sell these nuclear reactors to consumers — in fact, we hope it doesn’t — but it does seem like the company is well on its way to commercializing the design. Toshiba’s Micro Nuclear reactors are designed to power a single apartment building or city block, and measure a mere 20-feet by 6-feet. The 200 kilowatt reactor is fully automatic and fail-safe, and is completely self-sustaining. It uses special liquid lithium-6 reservoirs instead of traditional control rods, and can last up to 40 years, making energy for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour. Toshiba has been testing the reactors since 2005, and hopes to install its first reactor in Japan in 2008, with marketing to Europe and America in 2009.

[Aecetia]

Perhaps clean energy is more to your liking:
How about this? Toshiba’s building a “Micro Nuclear” reactor for your garage?
Posted Dec 19th 2007 11:40AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Household

Alright, details are slim, and we really have no idea if Toshiba has any plans whatsoever to sell these nuclear reactors to consumers — in fact, we hope it doesn’t — but it does seem like the company is well on its way to commercializing the design. Toshiba’s Micro Nuclear reactors are designed to power a single apartment building or city block, and measure a mere 20-feet by 6-feet. The 200 kilowatt reactor is fully automatic and fail-safe, and is completely self-sustaining. It uses special liquid lithium-6 reservoirs instead of traditional control rods, and can last up to 40 years, making energy for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour. Toshiba has been testing the reactors since 2005, and hopes to install its first reactor in Japan in 2008, with marketing to Europe and America in 2009.

[Aecetia]

Perhaps clean energy is more to your liking:
How about this? Toshiba’s building a “Micro Nuclear” reactor for your garage?
Posted Dec 19th 2007 11:40AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Household

Alright, details are slim, and we really have no idea if Toshiba has any plans whatsoever to sell these nuclear reactors to consumers — in fact, we hope it doesn’t — but it does seem like the company is well on its way to commercializing the design. Toshiba’s Micro Nuclear reactors are designed to power a single apartment building or city block, and measure a mere 20-feet by 6-feet. The 200 kilowatt reactor is fully automatic and fail-safe, and is completely self-sustaining. It uses special liquid lithium-6 reservoirs instead of traditional control rods, and can last up to 40 years, making energy for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour. Toshiba has been testing the reactors since 2005, and hopes to install its first reactor in Japan in 2008, with marketing to Europe and America in 2009.

[Aecetia]

Perhaps clean energy is more to your liking:
How about this? Toshiba’s building a “Micro Nuclear” reactor for your garage?
Posted Dec 19th 2007 11:40AM by Paul Miller
Filed under: Household

Alright, details are slim, and we really have no idea if Toshiba has any plans whatsoever to sell these nuclear reactors to consumers — in fact, we hope it doesn’t — but it does seem like the company is well on its way to commercializing the design. Toshiba’s Micro Nuclear reactors are designed to power a single apartment building or city block, and measure a mere 20-feet by 6-feet. The 200 kilowatt reactor is fully automatic and fail-safe, and is completely self-sustaining. It uses special liquid lithium-6 reservoirs instead of traditional control rods, and can last up to 40 years, making energy for about 5 cents per kilowatt hour. Toshiba has been testing the reactors since 2005, and hopes to install its first reactor in Japan in 2008, with marketing to Europe and America in 2009.

[Arraya]

Feasible but it does nothing for transportation, which is the big issue.

What this all boils down to is we have to give up our cars. Also, air travel will only be for the rich.

I have a feeling will start a lot of new wars before we come to this realization though.

[Arraya]

Feasible but it does nothing for transportation, which is the big issue.

What this all boils down to is we have to give up our cars. Also, air travel will only be for the rich.

I have a feeling will start a lot of new wars before we come to this realization though.

[Arraya]

Feasible but it does nothing for transportation, which is the big issue.

What this all boils down to is we have to give up our cars. Also, air travel will only be for the rich.

I have a feeling will start a lot of new wars before we come to this realization though.

[Arraya]

Feasible but it does nothing for transportation, which is the big issue.

What this all boils down to is we have to give up our cars. Also, air travel will only be for the rich.

I have a feeling will start a lot of new wars before we come to this realization though.

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