At least they would pay taxes now :(.

Besides, if they aren’t going to pick the strawberries you eat, who will? You wanna pay $10/lb for strawberries when farmers hire unionized ex-UAW to pick the fields??????

Getting rid of welfare for those who haven’t contributed to the system in the past say 5 years. That would work.

But seriously, do you really expect this to pass????? Nothing is going to get done until election. This is the best time for the financial markets imho. The only gripe i had was that the republicans had 1 shot at getting rid of the estate tax. And they blew it. Now I have to figure out other ways to shelter what I earn away from all the welfare/taxes/subsidies/credit drenched/financially irresponsible american that always scream bailout when they f* up their own finances.

your fat lazy stupid smug kid doesnt deserve anything that you worked for except what clothes and education you can provide him during your lifetime.

republicans are not the only ones who want cheap labor.

What is more likely to affect a larger number of Piggingtonians – estate tax reform or tort reform.

I’d posit that Bush’s biggest blunder is abandoning the cause of tort reform. If ANYTHING would help turn this country away from it’s entrenched nanny-state ways – keeping the lawyer’s filthy mitts off our cash would be a great place to start.

How many of us pay too much for medical care, car insurance and other necessities? How many will be in the position of needing to be concerned with estate tax? I think the second number is dramatically smaller – but it does seem to have the effect of making a lot of people feel a lot more important when they bitch about it.

>At least they would pay taxes now :(.

Even that is debateable. However, no amount of taxes they start paying now is going to recoup the costs to the government for the SS and Medicare that they will be sucking from the system in 20 years. That’s right, they would immediately qualify for benefits (per what I heard discussed last night).

>Besides, if they aren’t going to pick the strawberries you >eat, who will? You wanna pay $10/lb for strawberries when >farmers hire unionized ex-UAW to pick the fields??????

This is a tired argument. Say strawberries cost $2/lb now and we are paying the (illegal) workers $7/hr to pick them and say that wages are the highest portion of the cost of those strawberries. If you doubled the wage to $14 I bet you’d find quite a few people who were willing to take that job at it’s significant premium above minimum wage, even if it was for short term seasonal work. Your $2/lb strawberries are now $4/lb (a 2x increase, not a 5x increase).

your fat lazy stupid smug kid doesnt deserve anything that you worked for except what clothes and education you can provide him during your lifetime. republicans are not the only ones who want cheap labor.

The way I look at it. Better giving it to my "fat, lazy, stupid kid" than

your or other people's fat lazy stupid kid that will knee deep in debt. Or worse….Fat lazy stupid people that got knee deep in debt because they wanted to drive around BMW's when they should have been planning for THEIR future. I give enough subsidies to everyone else in terms of paying taxes. I've done my part in terms of socialization. If the government wants to waste money on my tax dollars and/or if individuals are stupid and going to buy that BMW instead of of saving for their future retirement because they are counting on social security, that's really not my problem.

By the time I retire, I estimate 2/3 of americans will be living off of subsidies, while the remaining 1/3 of us will be paying up our noses for the rest of you. And that probably would be a conservative estimate.

What is more likely to affect a larger number of Piggingtonians – estate tax reform or tort reform. I'd posit that Bush's biggest blunder is abandoning the cause of tort reform. If ANYTHING would help turn this country away from it's entrenched nanny-state ways – keeping the lawyer's filthy mitts off our cash would be a great place to start. How many of us pay too much for medical care, car insurance and other necessities? How many will be in the position of needing to be concerned with estate tax? I think the second number is dramatically smaller – but it does seem to have the effect of making a lot of people feel a lot more important when they bitch about it.

The way I see it. A lot of people are paying way to much in terms of cost because they choose to do it. They choose to drive big SUVs. They choose spend $100/month on cable, another, $100/month on a cell phone, choose drive expensive cars, and hence choose to pay a lot of car insurance. How is this everyone elses problems???????

There's no doubt Health care is wacked. The first thing would be to stop giving it away imho. But I believe some things like health care need some part of socialization. But the only problem is, no one has figured out how to pay for it. No one wants to pay for higher taxes, for those who can afford to pay taxes (I don’t mind personally if taxes rise slightly as long as everyone bears some amount if it). And as far as cutting benefits, I see the health care issue many for hourly workers. Sorry ,but my advise is get out of that job. Go get yourself a decent education, with a decent career or self/business so you aren't so dependent on crappy hourly pay/with crappy healh care. If you truely have done all that, and then still need financial assistance, apply for welfare at that point..I would be happy that my tax dollars would subsidize those people who have really tried but couldn't make it..

The only irony to this immigrant bill which is pretty funny is that all those H1-B holders who work at tech companies are probably going to have to wait longer to get their green card than illegal immigrants…That’s pretty pathetic.

‘immigration reform’ bill, illegal aliens would be able to apply for a visa (Z-1) that would give them legal status in the U.S.

Read the fine print, it requires them to return home and may take 8-13 years. I don’t want to go home

This is a lip service package so both side can say they did something. The Dems, we got them a path to citizen ship. The Repubs, they got to go home.

In the end it is a DOA solution, as basically all of the illegals in the article said, they aren’t going to do it, and most importantly, they definitely aren’t going home of their own accord.