Maybe this is the one guy who’s telling the truth.

Maybe the entire NORAD chain of command has been lying for five years. Maybe a team of demolitions experts planted explosives in three skyscrapers – entering the buildings at night, drilling holes in the walls, planting explosives, and replastering the walls, all without any night watchmen noticing them coming or going, for weeks – and all the demolitions guys have kept quiet too. Or maybe the night watchmen were in on the plan, and they all kept their mouths shut. Or maybe the demolitions work was carried out in broad daylight, and thousands of workers, dozens or hundreds of demolitions experts, the top ranks of the military, and the federal government all worked together to murder thousands of people to start a war, and the only person willing to reveal his knowledge is Sgt Lauro Sanchez.

Me, I think it was the ghosts of Indians pissed that the Dutch bought their island.

Prove it wasn’t.

I saw a poll in USAToday I believe a few months back that said over 50% of this country's population thinks the govt covered up some or all of it.

One will never know…..just like our previous knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack at least 3 days prior to it happening. Unfortunately, that wasnt made public until a few short years ago……..I imagine 9-11 will have its own ghosts come out of some hidden closet 50-75 years from now too.

Did TWA 800 actually get shot down ? Everybody has an opinion. 

Each time I do research on 9/11 I come up with some new interesting information.

Here are some tidbits from my last research:

> asbestos had been used throughout the towers – EPA had issued several waivers allowing asbestos cleanup to be delayed but were increasing the pressure for the asbestos to be removed – estimates for cleanup were in the $1 billion range and none of the insurance companies covering the towers were willing to pay for the cleanup

> the towers were transferred from the New York Port Authority to private ownership (Larry Silversteen) six weeks prior to 9/11 – the towers had become a white elephant for the Port Authority – lots of vacancies and huge expense to provide utilities for the towers – even oxygen had to be provided because the towers were airtight – ie, Port Authority was losing lots of money on the towers and the losses were getting worse as vacancies increased

> Silversteen reworked the insurance policies for the WTC complex to explicitly provide coverage for acts of terrorism

> Silversteen obtained explicit rights to rebuild the WTC complex before completing the leases

> George Bush’s brother was president of the company that provided security for the WTC complex and Dulles airport where one of the aircraft was hijacked – his cousin was CEO of the same company

Other details I have come across in the past:

> there were bomb-sniffing dogs present in the towers 24/7 until two weeks prior to 9/11

> workers in the towers testify that there were unexplained power outages and building evacuations during the two weeks prior to 9/11

> workers in the towers testify that large sections of the towers (whole floors) were vacant and that construction noise could be heard on some of these floors in the weeks prior to 9/11

> legal files for prosecuting the Enron related trials were stored in WTC 7 along with many other files for sensitive SEC investigations

Perhaps my cynical nature and high level of skepticism make me susceptible to conspiracy theories but I believe the story our government is telling us about 9/11 is mostly fabrication.

There are many unexplained questions about how the two towers collapsed and the rarely mentioned collapse of WTC 7.

There are also many coincidental facts that support the idea that 9/11 was done for financial gain. Without considering whether it was a conspiracy or not, look at these aspects of 9/11: it destroyed two asbestos ridden buildings that were losing money because nobody wanted to rent space in them anymore – it destroyed legal files being used to prosecute Enron trials and other trials involving Wall Street bigshots – Silversteen gained several billion dollars in insurance payouts – Silversteen got the right to rebuild the WTC complex.

The biggest benefit from 9/11 went to the neo-cons who used it as a reason to launch the ‘forever war on terror’. They have continued to point to 9/11 as they have destroyed the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, dropped habeas corpus, passed Patriot Acts I & II, legalized the use of terror against anyone deemed an ‘unlawful combatant’ and taken many other actions which have reduced the freedom of us, the American citizens.

If you have a hard time believing that the government would do something like 9/11 to its own people, I suggest that you do some research on ‘false flag’ events – just Google on the term and check out some of the links. Watch for these in particular: Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Liberty.

Interesting topic. I haven’t read much about how the towers came down. I’ll check into the info you guys mentioned.

“Perhaps my cynical nature and high level of skepticism make me susceptible to conspiracy theories but I believe the story our government is telling us about 9/11 is mostly fabrication.”

If you are truly skeptical, you should be less susceptible to conspiracy theories, not more. For most of the conspiracy theories that are out there to be true, thousands of people would all have to keep giant secrets. Any amount of skepticism should keep you from believing that such a thing could happen.

“Anyone who believes the official story is a blithering idiot.”

Heavyduty follows that not-very-well-thought-out statement with equally well-thought-out arguments and documentation backing up his position.

People who believe conspiracy theories generally believe them for the same reason people believe that housing won’t go down: they want to believe them, and they therefore engage in confirmation bias. They’ll ignore overwhelming evidence that their theories are not true, and focus on the scant evidence that supports their case. Then they’ll ignore that evidence that refutes the scant evidence that supports their case.

Why would anyone want to believe these theories? Perhaps it makes them feel smart. “All these blithering idiots believe this story. I must be smarter than them.” Or maybe they like the adrenalin rush they get from their world view. “Holy shit!! WE knocked the towers down!!!” Maybe they’re super-left wing nuts who’d really like to discredit the neocons. Maybe they’re super-right wing nuts who want to discredit our entire government (our entire system of government.

“Powayseller, pay no attention to that nonsensical, unresearched crap KEWP just posted, he or she doesnt know what they’re talking about. He doesnt know “shinola” about architecture and demolition. Probably some programmer sitting in his cubicle postulating on the web when he should be working for his boss.”

Powayseller, pay no attention to LOB’s rhetoric. It contains no information or logic or reason or facts or evidence whatsoever. Sure, maybe 50% of the people in this country polled by USA Today do believe there was a conspiracy. But don’t forget that half the people in this country have IQs of less than 100, also (probably the same half that reads USA Today). None of that is any evidence of a conspiracy.

I despise the neocons much more than your average person. But to say that they planned and executed 9/11 and then covered it up gives them way too little credit for humanness and way too much credit for cleverness.

The Empire State Building Plane Crash … July 28, 1945 … a B-25 Bomber Hits 78th Floor.

The building didn’t fall down.

There are many other modern buildings which have caught fire and burned for days. They didn’t fall down either.

Combined military services in this country employ over 1.25 million active military personnel. The CIA doesn’t release employment figures, but estimates are between 260,000 to 350,000 employees. How does the CIA keep 260,000 people quiet? It’s called Command and Control.

Standard procedure to diffuse any political movement which threatens the status quo … discredit the messanger. “He’s a conspiracy-nut”.

The families of 9-11 victims are outraged with the 9-11 Commisions findings, and are calling for a real investigation. Are they conspiracy nuts too?

Here’s my question … Why would any sane, rational, normal person not be interested in questioning the events of such a tragic national disaster, given it’s global consequences?

To the poster above … thanks for the psych-review. However, facts are facts. And I haven’t seen anything coming from the government to negate the facts that conspiracy-nuts are talking about. For god’s sake, they won’t even publish pictures from cameras around the pentagon showing us what actually crashed there.

Actually, I think I’ve figured this out.

This was a massive *left-wing* conspiracy.

The Democrats were behind the 9/11 attacks, which they timed to coincide exactly with Dubya reading a children’s book about goats. Just to make him look extra-dumb.

This in turn was a setup to lead us into a futile war in Iraq, inciting unrest and returning control of both the senate and the house to the Dem’s. And ultimately, most likely, the White House. The end of the Bush dynasty will be an added bonus.

Makes sense to me!