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July 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM #19926July 2, 2012 at 8:53 AM #747029
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ParticipantKnowing the proclivities of the Mozilla foundation, this might very well be more open than the competing platforms. If we end up with a very open mobile platform, this might just be the gentle push needed to get Apple to finally bury the ghost of Stevie J. and cease micromanaging their walled garden.
I’d love to have something with the form factor of an iPad but with the power of a OS X Macbook. Real OS please, with a real file system capable of integrating seamlessly with existing business infrastructure, not iKloud Krap. And able to install any compatible app out of the box, not only the apps that some cult priests in Cupertino choose to bless.
July 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM #747040an
Participant[quote=spdrun]Knowing the proclivities of the Mozilla foundation, this might very well be more open than the competing platforms. If we end up with a very open mobile platform, this might just be the gentle push needed to get Apple to finally bury the ghost of Stevie J. and cease micromanaging their walled garden.[/quote]I’m not holding my breath. If Android can’t get Apple to open up, Mozilla probably won’t be able to do it either.
[quote=spdrun]I’d love to have something with the form factor of an iPad but with the power of a OS X Macbook. Real OS please, with a real file system capable of integrating seamlessly with existing business infrastructure, not iKloud Krap. And able to install any compatible app out of the box, not only the apps that some cult priests in Cupertino choose to bless.[/quote]It sounds like you’re describing Windows RT.July 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM #747041ParticipantI *WISH* I were describing Windows RT.
Windows RT is (at least officially) supposed to prohibit sideloading, and have the Microsoft Store as the only app source. Basically, MS is following in the footsteps of Apple.
Windows RT also won’t be able to run desktop apps, only Metro(sexual? what a horrible brandname) apps. Desktop apps will be available via apps running on a remote server, but you can do that now via Remote Desktop on any decent mobile device. Yippie-kai-yay.
I want a tablet with:
* full access to the OS/UNIX shell
* ability to run existing desktop apps
* ability to run mobile-only apps as wellOh, and whoever designed the Metro interface needs a kick in the yarbles. Windows 3.1 all over again, except uglier.
July 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM #747055ParticipantPersonally, I’m not holding my breath that this will take off. If it does, it might not be as cheap as people expect it to be. You’ll probably have Apple trying to stop it from being imported or MS trying to get some royalty money from it. After all, Android is also free.
July 2, 2012 at 10:49 AM #747056ParticipantThen get a Windows 8 Pro Surface. It can do everything you want except access to UNIX shell (since it’s not based on Unix). However, you can have access to NT shell.
WRT Metro. It’s either you love it or you hate it. I think it’s a fantastic design, especially in a touch-y world we’re living in now. Live tiles kicks the sh!t out of your app centric UI design of iOS and Android.
July 2, 2012 at 11:03 AM #747060ParticipantRegarding the Surface:
I’m currently limited to Micro$hit as the manufacturer. Also, Metro apps are still officially limited to the Microsoft Store. Lastly, it’s top-heavy. Fine if you’re using it on a table. Not so fine if you’re using it on your knees or on a soft surface.No thanks — I’ll stick with an actual laptop, ideally with a touchscreen. I actually DON’T want a damn touch screen as the primary interface.
I type a lot, so I need a keyboard. Moving my hands from the keyboard to operate a touch screen actually takes more time than using a nipple stick or touchpad. Plus touch screens are almost always dirty/greasy.
I can see the utility for some things like CAD and drawing, but for day-to-day computing, I prefer a pointer and keyboard.
I guess what I really want is an Ubuntu tablet.
July 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM #747062Participant[quote=spdrun]Regarding the Surface:
I’m currently limited to Micro$hit as the manufacturer. Also, Metro apps are still officially limited to the Microsoft Store. Lastly, it’s top-heavy. Fine if you’re using it on a table. Not so fine if you’re using it on your knees or on a soft surface.No thanks — I’ll stick with an actual laptop, ideally with a touchscreen. I actually DON’T want a damn touch screen as the primary interface.
I type a lot, so I need a keyboard. Moving my hands from the keyboard to operate a touch screen actually takes more time than using a nipple stick or touchpad. Plus touch screens are almost always dirty/greasy.
I can see the utility for some things like CAD and drawing, but for day-to-day computing, I prefer a pointer and keyboard.
I guess what I really want is an Ubuntu tablet.[/quote]
Top-heavy? The Windows 8 Pro Surface is the same weight as the original iPad. That seems to work just fine for the iPad.By using words like Micro$hit, there’s obviously nothing from MS that you’d ever consider, even if it’s the best thing since sliced bread. So, I guess you’re stuck with a Macbook Pro or an iPad. I don’t see Apple converging those two devices anytime soon.
I’ve been trying to use Ubuntu every year (sometimes twice a year if I have some spare time), but Ubuntu is still at least 5 years behind if not more. I’m not holding my breath for Ubuntu tablet to even match the tablets out today, much less the tablets that will be out when (if) the Ubuntu tablet comes out.
July 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM #747064ParticipantTop-heavy? The Windows 8 Pro Surface is the same weight as the original iPad. That seems to work just fine for the iPad.
Yep, top-heavy. It needs to be supported if it’s used with a keyboard.
July 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM #747063ParticipantLinux laptop, Macbook, or Android tablet are all pretty close.
And I hope to have the opportunity to take a protracted piss on Steve Jobs’ grave for coming up with the idea of locked-down computing, which Microsoft is now adopting.
Stallman was right: “glad he’s gone.”
Lastly, if being 5 years behind means actually having control of what software you can install, and having control of your data (not having it synced to the cloud) then I’m all for the past 🙂 We’re moving from personal computing to corporate computing, and that’s disturbing.
July 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM #747066Participant[quote=spdrun]
Top-heavy? The Windows 8 Pro Surface is the same weight as the original iPad. That seems to work just fine for the iPad.
Yep, top-heavy. It needs to be supported if it’s used with a keyboard.[/quote]
So, in essence, you don’t want a tablet, you just want a touch screen Macbook Air or the slew of ultrabooks with touch screen. Why not just get one of those ultrabooks that are coming out later this year and install Ubuntu on it?July 2, 2012 at 11:17 AM #747067ParticipantPretty much yes, I want a touch-screen MacBook Air. Better yet, install pirated OS X on an appropriate touch screen ultrabook.
July 2, 2012 at 11:18 AM #747068Participant[quote=spdrun]Lastly, if being 5 years behind means actually having control of what software you can install, and having control of your data (not having it synced to the cloud) then I’m all for the past 🙂 We’re moving from personal computing to corporate computing, and that’s disturbing.[/quote]
I think you’re a dying breed. Linux will be your only option (assuming Linux won’t try to follow the market down the Cloud services road). I personally fully embraces the Cloud services and it seems like all the major ecosystems are heading that way too.July 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM #747069Participant[quote=spdrun]Pretty much yes, I want a touch-screen MacBook Air. Better yet, install pirated OS X on an appropriate touch screen ultrabook.[/quote]
Well, then you’ll get what you want in a few months when the floodgate will open for touch screen ultrabook. You can thank MS and Windows 8 for giving you this option.July 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM #747070ParticipantI personally fully embraces the Cloud services and it seems like all the major ecosystems are heading that way too.
OK, so you’d be comfortable uploading personal financial information to a “service” with unknown security? Then you’re either an idiot or the most trusting person ever.
The desktop paradigm provides that CHOICE. I can either work on files locally, or upload data to a cloud service. But it generally remains a choice, rather than software choosing for you.
And unless my device is stolen, what’s on my drive (and backed up to a Time Capsule or similar) is likely to remain my property. I want to know WHERE my files are, and have access to them as discrete elements that can be copied, shared, and backed up at will.
Lastly, the irony is that with ipv6 (a chicken in every pot, a public address for every device) is that true peer-to-peer data sharing becomes much easier. Why bother having central “cloud” providers if individual devices with shared keys can synchronize data directly and handle versioning themselves?
Unless it needs to be public, then that model makes sense even with ipv6.
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