I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)