4s ranch vs. Carmel valley

[screnter]

We are new to San Diego. We are thinking to buy a house some time early next year. We visited both 4S and CV a couple of times to get a feeling.

Apparently, with 750K, one can get a very decent 3000+ brand new (or 2 to 3 years old) house. The builders have reduced the price to move the inventory. The downside is that the property tax & Mello-Rolls there is total about 1.7%.

With the same money, one can only get 2000+ house in CV, probably 10 years old. The houses south of 56 is even more expensive.

Couple of questions:
1. Is CV realy worth the price? I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.
2. How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

[Alex_angel]

CV has no soul. It is a pretentious area where the people feel they must have a woman at home and the man work and still have a maid and nanny. They must drive BMWs, Mercedes or Range Rovers. Be very carefull about saying hello to someone in CV as they may scurry off in a frenzy of fear. There are no restaurants, choice of shopping and is starting to get really congested.

4S, has more soul, more real people. The schools are top notch, the area is green, lush, friendly folks, a ton of parks and more parks going in. Traffic to downtown will add about 20 minutes to your commute than if you lived in CV. Both are pretty far places to live if you work downtown.

Now you are probably saying to yourself. This guy must live in 4S for talking so highly about it. You’re wrong. I live in CV, proper CV, not Pacific highlands but CV near Carmel country road/carmel mountain road. I have been there for 5 years. Even when my brother came to visit he went to the vons and came back and asked me why I lived there. I was perplexed. he said he has never seen so many rude and inconsiderate people in his life. He said no one looked happy, they are all into themselves, busy on their cells, etc… that was exactly how I felt.

Good luck in your searches

[zk]

screnter,

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what alex angel says. Perhaps the fearful frenzy of scurrying off is related to the manner of his approach.

We moved from Scripps Ranch to CV about 5 years ago. My wife and I have found the people very friendly.

There are a lot of women who stay home, and there are a lot of BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers. And also Lexuses and Porsches, and even a few Aston Martins and Maseratis and Ferraris, too. Not sure why that’s a bad thing.

I’d say the main things that make this area cost more than 4S are, in order of importance:

1)Proximity to the coast.
2)Better schools.
3)A bit closer to downtown.

The weather is almost always in the 70’s in the summer. And the parents are very involved in the schools, which is probably the main reason that they have the highest test scores in San Diego.

Whether that makes CV worth the extra money is, as the last poster said, something only you can decide.

Alex is right about one thing, though. CV doesn’t have much of a “soul.” It’s stricly tract homes with no downtown or other special places. If you live here long enough, though, you start to know lots of people, and there does start to be a sense of community. It’s a very family-oriented place.

[zk]

screnter,

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what alex angel says. Perhaps the fearful frenzy of scurrying off is related to the manner of his approach.

We moved from Scripps Ranch to CV about 5 years ago. My wife and I have found the people very friendly.

There are a lot of women who stay home, and there are a lot of BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers. And also Lexuses and Porsches, and even a few Aston Martins and Maseratis and Ferraris, too. Not sure why that’s a bad thing.

I’d say the main things that make this area cost more than 4S are, in order of importance:

1)Proximity to the coast.
2)Better schools.
3)A bit closer to downtown.

The weather is almost always in the 70’s in the summer. And the parents are very involved in the schools, which is probably the main reason that they have the highest test scores in San Diego.

Whether that makes CV worth the extra money is, as the last poster said, something only you can decide.

Alex is right about one thing, though. CV doesn’t have much of a “soul.” It’s stricly tract homes with no downtown or other special places. If you live here long enough, though, you start to know lots of people, and there does start to be a sense of community. It’s a very family-oriented place.

[zk]

screnter,

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what alex angel says. Perhaps the fearful frenzy of scurrying off is related to the manner of his approach.

We moved from Scripps Ranch to CV about 5 years ago. My wife and I have found the people very friendly.

There are a lot of women who stay home, and there are a lot of BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers. And also Lexuses and Porsches, and even a few Aston Martins and Maseratis and Ferraris, too. Not sure why that’s a bad thing.

I’d say the main things that make this area cost more than 4S are, in order of importance:

1)Proximity to the coast.
2)Better schools.
3)A bit closer to downtown.

The weather is almost always in the 70’s in the summer. And the parents are very involved in the schools, which is probably the main reason that they have the highest test scores in San Diego.

Whether that makes CV worth the extra money is, as the last poster said, something only you can decide.

Alex is right about one thing, though. CV doesn’t have much of a “soul.” It’s stricly tract homes with no downtown or other special places. If you live here long enough, though, you start to know lots of people, and there does start to be a sense of community. It’s a very family-oriented place.

[zk]

screnter,

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what alex angel says. Perhaps the fearful frenzy of scurrying off is related to the manner of his approach.

We moved from Scripps Ranch to CV about 5 years ago. My wife and I have found the people very friendly.

There are a lot of women who stay home, and there are a lot of BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers. And also Lexuses and Porsches, and even a few Aston Martins and Maseratis and Ferraris, too. Not sure why that’s a bad thing.

I’d say the main things that make this area cost more than 4S are, in order of importance:

1)Proximity to the coast.
2)Better schools.
3)A bit closer to downtown.

The weather is almost always in the 70’s in the summer. And the parents are very involved in the schools, which is probably the main reason that they have the highest test scores in San Diego.

Whether that makes CV worth the extra money is, as the last poster said, something only you can decide.

Alex is right about one thing, though. CV doesn’t have much of a “soul.” It’s stricly tract homes with no downtown or other special places. If you live here long enough, though, you start to know lots of people, and there does start to be a sense of community. It’s a very family-oriented place.

[zk]

screnter,

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what alex angel says. Perhaps the fearful frenzy of scurrying off is related to the manner of his approach.

We moved from Scripps Ranch to CV about 5 years ago. My wife and I have found the people very friendly.

There are a lot of women who stay home, and there are a lot of BMWs, Mercedes and Range Rovers. And also Lexuses and Porsches, and even a few Aston Martins and Maseratis and Ferraris, too. Not sure why that’s a bad thing.

I’d say the main things that make this area cost more than 4S are, in order of importance:

1)Proximity to the coast.
2)Better schools.
3)A bit closer to downtown.

The weather is almost always in the 70’s in the summer. And the parents are very involved in the schools, which is probably the main reason that they have the highest test scores in San Diego.

Whether that makes CV worth the extra money is, as the last poster said, something only you can decide.

Alex is right about one thing, though. CV doesn’t have much of a “soul.” It’s stricly tract homes with no downtown or other special places. If you live here long enough, though, you start to know lots of people, and there does start to be a sense of community. It’s a very family-oriented place.

[Alex_angel]

CV has no soul. It is a pretentious area where the people feel they must have a woman at home and the man work and still have a maid and nanny. They must drive BMWs, Mercedes or Range Rovers. Be very carefull about saying hello to someone in CV as they may scurry off in a frenzy of fear. There are no restaurants, choice of shopping and is starting to get really congested.

4S, has more soul, more real people. The schools are top notch, the area is green, lush, friendly folks, a ton of parks and more parks going in. Traffic to downtown will add about 20 minutes to your commute than if you lived in CV. Both are pretty far places to live if you work downtown.

Now you are probably saying to yourself. This guy must live in 4S for talking so highly about it. You’re wrong. I live in CV, proper CV, not Pacific highlands but CV near Carmel country road/carmel mountain road. I have been there for 5 years. Even when my brother came to visit he went to the vons and came back and asked me why I lived there. I was perplexed. he said he has never seen so many rude and inconsiderate people in his life. He said no one looked happy, they are all into themselves, busy on their cells, etc… that was exactly how I felt.

Good luck in your searches

[Alex_angel]

CV has no soul. It is a pretentious area where the people feel they must have a woman at home and the man work and still have a maid and nanny. They must drive BMWs, Mercedes or Range Rovers. Be very carefull about saying hello to someone in CV as they may scurry off in a frenzy of fear. There are no restaurants, choice of shopping and is starting to get really congested.

4S, has more soul, more real people. The schools are top notch, the area is green, lush, friendly folks, a ton of parks and more parks going in. Traffic to downtown will add about 20 minutes to your commute than if you lived in CV. Both are pretty far places to live if you work downtown.

Now you are probably saying to yourself. This guy must live in 4S for talking so highly about it. You’re wrong. I live in CV, proper CV, not Pacific highlands but CV near Carmel country road/carmel mountain road. I have been there for 5 years. Even when my brother came to visit he went to the vons and came back and asked me why I lived there. I was perplexed. he said he has never seen so many rude and inconsiderate people in his life. He said no one looked happy, they are all into themselves, busy on their cells, etc… that was exactly how I felt.

Good luck in your searches

[Alex_angel]

CV has no soul. It is a pretentious area where the people feel they must have a woman at home and the man work and still have a maid and nanny. They must drive BMWs, Mercedes or Range Rovers. Be very carefull about saying hello to someone in CV as they may scurry off in a frenzy of fear. There are no restaurants, choice of shopping and is starting to get really congested.

4S, has more soul, more real people. The schools are top notch, the area is green, lush, friendly folks, a ton of parks and more parks going in. Traffic to downtown will add about 20 minutes to your commute than if you lived in CV. Both are pretty far places to live if you work downtown.

Now you are probably saying to yourself. This guy must live in 4S for talking so highly about it. You’re wrong. I live in CV, proper CV, not Pacific highlands but CV near Carmel country road/carmel mountain road. I have been there for 5 years. Even when my brother came to visit he went to the vons and came back and asked me why I lived there. I was perplexed. he said he has never seen so many rude and inconsiderate people in his life. He said no one looked happy, they are all into themselves, busy on their cells, etc… that was exactly how I felt.

Good luck in your searches

[Alex_angel]

CV has no soul. It is a pretentious area where the people feel they must have a woman at home and the man work and still have a maid and nanny. They must drive BMWs, Mercedes or Range Rovers. Be very carefull about saying hello to someone in CV as they may scurry off in a frenzy of fear. There are no restaurants, choice of shopping and is starting to get really congested.

4S, has more soul, more real people. The schools are top notch, the area is green, lush, friendly folks, a ton of parks and more parks going in. Traffic to downtown will add about 20 minutes to your commute than if you lived in CV. Both are pretty far places to live if you work downtown.

Now you are probably saying to yourself. This guy must live in 4S for talking so highly about it. You’re wrong. I live in CV, proper CV, not Pacific highlands but CV near Carmel country road/carmel mountain road. I have been there for 5 years. Even when my brother came to visit he went to the vons and came back and asked me why I lived there. I was perplexed. he said he has never seen so many rude and inconsiderate people in his life. He said no one looked happy, they are all into themselves, busy on their cells, etc… that was exactly how I felt.

Good luck in your searches

[gn]

I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.

That's right. In term of API test scores (at the elementary level), 4S schools are around 850-900. Carmel Valley schools are around 875-975.

How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

In the morning on the I-15, from Camino del Norte to Mira Mesa blvd, there is heavy traffic. From Mira Mesa blvd to downtown you won't see much traffic.

I guess what you are asking is: what makes CV that much more expensive ?

1. Demographic. CV is solidly upper middle class. 4S is a mixture of both upper middle class & middle class.

2. Better schools

3. Closer to ocean

Is CV realy worth the price?

Only you can answer this question.

[CVFanGirl]

I’d have to agree about CV. I was thrilled to move here, having heard so many good things about the schools, how safe it is etc. Then I took my kids to the park. It’s there you get a sense of how life really is for people here.

During the week, it’s all nannies. It’s not optimal conversation since they treat you like you’re their employer. there is the rare mom but the kids are always under two since the older ones are off to preschool asap.

On the weekends, the park is overwhelmed by the soccer crowd. Chaotic but lively. Parents do keep to themselves and their friends however. It’s very hard to socialize casually if you’re just there for an hour or so to give the kids time to play.

I moved from a place had a huge park, lots of folks of all ages who would stop to chat with you, chat with your kids, pet your dog. Here it’s quite frankly the opposite.

Social opportunites come from institutions like schools or the rec center or the Pac Club, not neighbors. And I think people like it that way for some reason. I find it incredibly antiseptic. But again, some people like it that way.

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you’ll fit in fine!

[gn]

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you'll fit in fine!

"botox the expression off your face" ?

I'm just curious, CVFanGirl, what do you mean by that ?

[CVFanGirl]

gn, you must not live in CV if you have to ask!

[gn]

CVFanGirl,

Were you implying about the abundance of cosmetic surgeries in CV ?

[Alex_angel]

You have to remember, CV is different than CV and different than CV. CV is a large area. there is the south part that runs off of carmel mountain road near the five, the north part of the 56, the east part considered pacific highlands ranch. They are all a lot different from each other. The part I talk about and live is in south of the 56 near the 5.

Being close to the coast is only worth it if you are a true beach goer. Even from 4S you are only 15 minutes away so big deal. It does get a lot warmer in 4S area but there is a pro to that. There are a lot of times in CV where its warm during the day but gets foggy and cold at night where at CV its still warm and you can sit outside and enjoy the weather where in CV you honestly want to stay inside, this is true from may-august.

There are also parts of CV that are absolutely batshit insane when it comes to home sizes. There is a little road up a hill off of Carmel mountain that are huge. I mean HUGE. Then there is Del Mar mesa duck pond and those gated communities. CV is different depending on which part. It does vary a lot. But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

[Coronita]

Alex_angel,

I was referring to south of 56 and near 5.

But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

Which one? The one off of 56 or the one in torrey hills in front of all the power lines?

Usually, people are pretty friendly to me, even when I look like sh*t. But then again, people love interacting with my daughter. I find the people at the Ace Hardware store pretty friendly, more so than those people at the mira mesa home depot. The vons people are pretty nice, and always seems to ask if I need help out. If you're trying to pick up someone in Vons, that might be a problem. Maybe it would also help if you drop your long beard, dropped the pony tail and pierced nose? 🙂 Just kidding.

I never had an issue of CV superficialness. I guess growing up in L.A., I'm pretty use to superficial people, and just tend to ignore them. BTW: lot's of those bimmers and mercedes are leased or financed. There is very little correlation between expensive car and net worth, especially in america where you can just about finance your way into anything.

 

[g2006]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

[Eugene]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

I’d guesstimate 1/2 hour, but it depends a lot on your exact schedule.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

The thing about 4S and Del Sur, they are very new, so schools in those areas don’t have very long track record. And they are still building. Two new elementary schools are scheduled to open in Del Sur next year, for example.

Middle school in 4S (Oak Valley) is somewhat better than middle school in Del Sur (Black Mountain). Both neighborhoods are assigned to the same high school.

4S and Del Sur are both in the same highly respectable Poway school district.

[Eugene]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

I’d guesstimate 1/2 hour, but it depends a lot on your exact schedule.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

The thing about 4S and Del Sur, they are very new, so schools in those areas don’t have very long track record. And they are still building. Two new elementary schools are scheduled to open in Del Sur next year, for example.

Middle school in 4S (Oak Valley) is somewhat better than middle school in Del Sur (Black Mountain). Both neighborhoods are assigned to the same high school.

4S and Del Sur are both in the same highly respectable Poway school district.

[Eugene]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

I’d guesstimate 1/2 hour, but it depends a lot on your exact schedule.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

The thing about 4S and Del Sur, they are very new, so schools in those areas don’t have very long track record. And they are still building. Two new elementary schools are scheduled to open in Del Sur next year, for example.

Middle school in 4S (Oak Valley) is somewhat better than middle school in Del Sur (Black Mountain). Both neighborhoods are assigned to the same high school.

4S and Del Sur are both in the same highly respectable Poway school district.

[Eugene]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

I’d guesstimate 1/2 hour, but it depends a lot on your exact schedule.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

The thing about 4S and Del Sur, they are very new, so schools in those areas don’t have very long track record. And they are still building. Two new elementary schools are scheduled to open in Del Sur next year, for example.

Middle school in 4S (Oak Valley) is somewhat better than middle school in Del Sur (Black Mountain). Both neighborhoods are assigned to the same high school.

4S and Del Sur are both in the same highly respectable Poway school district.

[Eugene]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

I’d guesstimate 1/2 hour, but it depends a lot on your exact schedule.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

The thing about 4S and Del Sur, they are very new, so schools in those areas don’t have very long track record. And they are still building. Two new elementary schools are scheduled to open in Del Sur next year, for example.

Middle school in 4S (Oak Valley) is somewhat better than middle school in Del Sur (Black Mountain). Both neighborhoods are assigned to the same high school.

4S and Del Sur are both in the same highly respectable Poway school district.

[g2006]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

[g2006]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

[g2006]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

[g2006]

Any idea what will be the commute time to downtown from 4S ranch.

Is DelSur comparable to 4SRanch regarding schools, people ..etc

[Coronita]

Alex_angel,

I was referring to south of 56 and near 5.

But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

Which one? The one off of 56 or the one in torrey hills in front of all the power lines?

Usually, people are pretty friendly to me, even when I look like sh*t. But then again, people love interacting with my daughter. I find the people at the Ace Hardware store pretty friendly, more so than those people at the mira mesa home depot. The vons people are pretty nice, and always seems to ask if I need help out. If you're trying to pick up someone in Vons, that might be a problem. Maybe it would also help if you drop your long beard, dropped the pony tail and pierced nose? 🙂 Just kidding.

I never had an issue of CV superficialness. I guess growing up in L.A., I'm pretty use to superficial people, and just tend to ignore them. BTW: lot's of those bimmers and mercedes are leased or financed. There is very little correlation between expensive car and net worth, especially in america where you can just about finance your way into anything.

 

[Coronita]

Alex_angel,

I was referring to south of 56 and near 5.

But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

Which one? The one off of 56 or the one in torrey hills in front of all the power lines?

Usually, people are pretty friendly to me, even when I look like sh*t. But then again, people love interacting with my daughter. I find the people at the Ace Hardware store pretty friendly, more so than those people at the mira mesa home depot. The vons people are pretty nice, and always seems to ask if I need help out. If you're trying to pick up someone in Vons, that might be a problem. Maybe it would also help if you drop your long beard, dropped the pony tail and pierced nose? 🙂 Just kidding.

I never had an issue of CV superficialness. I guess growing up in L.A., I'm pretty use to superficial people, and just tend to ignore them. BTW: lot's of those bimmers and mercedes are leased or financed. There is very little correlation between expensive car and net worth, especially in america where you can just about finance your way into anything.

 

[Coronita]

Alex_angel,

I was referring to south of 56 and near 5.

But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

Which one? The one off of 56 or the one in torrey hills in front of all the power lines?

Usually, people are pretty friendly to me, even when I look like sh*t. But then again, people love interacting with my daughter. I find the people at the Ace Hardware store pretty friendly, more so than those people at the mira mesa home depot. The vons people are pretty nice, and always seems to ask if I need help out. If you're trying to pick up someone in Vons, that might be a problem. Maybe it would also help if you drop your long beard, dropped the pony tail and pierced nose? 🙂 Just kidding.

I never had an issue of CV superficialness. I guess growing up in L.A., I'm pretty use to superficial people, and just tend to ignore them. BTW: lot's of those bimmers and mercedes are leased or financed. There is very little correlation between expensive car and net worth, especially in america where you can just about finance your way into anything.

 

[Coronita]

Alex_angel,

I was referring to south of 56 and near 5.

But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

Which one? The one off of 56 or the one in torrey hills in front of all the power lines?

Usually, people are pretty friendly to me, even when I look like sh*t. But then again, people love interacting with my daughter. I find the people at the Ace Hardware store pretty friendly, more so than those people at the mira mesa home depot. The vons people are pretty nice, and always seems to ask if I need help out. If you're trying to pick up someone in Vons, that might be a problem. Maybe it would also help if you drop your long beard, dropped the pony tail and pierced nose? 🙂 Just kidding.

I never had an issue of CV superficialness. I guess growing up in L.A., I'm pretty use to superficial people, and just tend to ignore them. BTW: lot's of those bimmers and mercedes are leased or financed. There is very little correlation between expensive car and net worth, especially in america where you can just about finance your way into anything.

 

[Alex_angel]

You have to remember, CV is different than CV and different than CV. CV is a large area. there is the south part that runs off of carmel mountain road near the five, the north part of the 56, the east part considered pacific highlands ranch. They are all a lot different from each other. The part I talk about and live is in south of the 56 near the 5.

Being close to the coast is only worth it if you are a true beach goer. Even from 4S you are only 15 minutes away so big deal. It does get a lot warmer in 4S area but there is a pro to that. There are a lot of times in CV where its warm during the day but gets foggy and cold at night where at CV its still warm and you can sit outside and enjoy the weather where in CV you honestly want to stay inside, this is true from may-august.

There are also parts of CV that are absolutely batshit insane when it comes to home sizes. There is a little road up a hill off of Carmel mountain that are huge. I mean HUGE. Then there is Del Mar mesa duck pond and those gated communities. CV is different depending on which part. It does vary a lot. But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

[Alex_angel]

You have to remember, CV is different than CV and different than CV. CV is a large area. there is the south part that runs off of carmel mountain road near the five, the north part of the 56, the east part considered pacific highlands ranch. They are all a lot different from each other. The part I talk about and live is in south of the 56 near the 5.

Being close to the coast is only worth it if you are a true beach goer. Even from 4S you are only 15 minutes away so big deal. It does get a lot warmer in 4S area but there is a pro to that. There are a lot of times in CV where its warm during the day but gets foggy and cold at night where at CV its still warm and you can sit outside and enjoy the weather where in CV you honestly want to stay inside, this is true from may-august.

There are also parts of CV that are absolutely batshit insane when it comes to home sizes. There is a little road up a hill off of Carmel mountain that are huge. I mean HUGE. Then there is Del Mar mesa duck pond and those gated communities. CV is different depending on which part. It does vary a lot. But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

[Alex_angel]

You have to remember, CV is different than CV and different than CV. CV is a large area. there is the south part that runs off of carmel mountain road near the five, the north part of the 56, the east part considered pacific highlands ranch. They are all a lot different from each other. The part I talk about and live is in south of the 56 near the 5.

Being close to the coast is only worth it if you are a true beach goer. Even from 4S you are only 15 minutes away so big deal. It does get a lot warmer in 4S area but there is a pro to that. There are a lot of times in CV where its warm during the day but gets foggy and cold at night where at CV its still warm and you can sit outside and enjoy the weather where in CV you honestly want to stay inside, this is true from may-august.

There are also parts of CV that are absolutely batshit insane when it comes to home sizes. There is a little road up a hill off of Carmel mountain that are huge. I mean HUGE. Then there is Del Mar mesa duck pond and those gated communities. CV is different depending on which part. It does vary a lot. But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

[Alex_angel]

You have to remember, CV is different than CV and different than CV. CV is a large area. there is the south part that runs off of carmel mountain road near the five, the north part of the 56, the east part considered pacific highlands ranch. They are all a lot different from each other. The part I talk about and live is in south of the 56 near the 5.

Being close to the coast is only worth it if you are a true beach goer. Even from 4S you are only 15 minutes away so big deal. It does get a lot warmer in 4S area but there is a pro to that. There are a lot of times in CV where its warm during the day but gets foggy and cold at night where at CV its still warm and you can sit outside and enjoy the weather where in CV you honestly want to stay inside, this is true from may-august.

There are also parts of CV that are absolutely batshit insane when it comes to home sizes. There is a little road up a hill off of Carmel mountain that are huge. I mean HUGE. Then there is Del Mar mesa duck pond and those gated communities. CV is different depending on which part. It does vary a lot. But go to Vons, walk around and say hi to people and see which ones say hi back. its very rare. I have no idea where that jackass that comments on how I approach people knows anything. I am a very firendly and nice person. I just call BS when I see it and that seems to upset people.

[gn]

CVFanGirl,

Were you implying about the abundance of cosmetic surgeries in CV ?

[gn]

CVFanGirl,

Were you implying about the abundance of cosmetic surgeries in CV ?

[gn]

CVFanGirl,

Were you implying about the abundance of cosmetic surgeries in CV ?

[gn]

CVFanGirl,

Were you implying about the abundance of cosmetic surgeries in CV ?

[CVFanGirl]

gn, you must not live in CV if you have to ask!

[CVFanGirl]

gn, you must not live in CV if you have to ask!

[CVFanGirl]

gn, you must not live in CV if you have to ask!

[CVFanGirl]

gn, you must not live in CV if you have to ask!

[gn]

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you'll fit in fine!

"botox the expression off your face" ?

I'm just curious, CVFanGirl, what do you mean by that ?

[gn]

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you'll fit in fine!

"botox the expression off your face" ?

I'm just curious, CVFanGirl, what do you mean by that ?

[gn]

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you'll fit in fine!

"botox the expression off your face" ?

I'm just curious, CVFanGirl, what do you mean by that ?

[gn]

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you'll fit in fine!

"botox the expression off your face" ?

I'm just curious, CVFanGirl, what do you mean by that ?

[CVFanGirl]

I’d have to agree about CV. I was thrilled to move here, having heard so many good things about the schools, how safe it is etc. Then I took my kids to the park. It’s there you get a sense of how life really is for people here.

During the week, it’s all nannies. It’s not optimal conversation since they treat you like you’re their employer. there is the rare mom but the kids are always under two since the older ones are off to preschool asap.

On the weekends, the park is overwhelmed by the soccer crowd. Chaotic but lively. Parents do keep to themselves and their friends however. It’s very hard to socialize casually if you’re just there for an hour or so to give the kids time to play.

I moved from a place had a huge park, lots of folks of all ages who would stop to chat with you, chat with your kids, pet your dog. Here it’s quite frankly the opposite.

Social opportunites come from institutions like schools or the rec center or the Pac Club, not neighbors. And I think people like it that way for some reason. I find it incredibly antiseptic. But again, some people like it that way.

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you’ll fit in fine!

[CVFanGirl]

I’d have to agree about CV. I was thrilled to move here, having heard so many good things about the schools, how safe it is etc. Then I took my kids to the park. It’s there you get a sense of how life really is for people here.

During the week, it’s all nannies. It’s not optimal conversation since they treat you like you’re their employer. there is the rare mom but the kids are always under two since the older ones are off to preschool asap.

On the weekends, the park is overwhelmed by the soccer crowd. Chaotic but lively. Parents do keep to themselves and their friends however. It’s very hard to socialize casually if you’re just there for an hour or so to give the kids time to play.

I moved from a place had a huge park, lots of folks of all ages who would stop to chat with you, chat with your kids, pet your dog. Here it’s quite frankly the opposite.

Social opportunites come from institutions like schools or the rec center or the Pac Club, not neighbors. And I think people like it that way for some reason. I find it incredibly antiseptic. But again, some people like it that way.

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you’ll fit in fine!

[CVFanGirl]

I’d have to agree about CV. I was thrilled to move here, having heard so many good things about the schools, how safe it is etc. Then I took my kids to the park. It’s there you get a sense of how life really is for people here.

During the week, it’s all nannies. It’s not optimal conversation since they treat you like you’re their employer. there is the rare mom but the kids are always under two since the older ones are off to preschool asap.

On the weekends, the park is overwhelmed by the soccer crowd. Chaotic but lively. Parents do keep to themselves and their friends however. It’s very hard to socialize casually if you’re just there for an hour or so to give the kids time to play.

I moved from a place had a huge park, lots of folks of all ages who would stop to chat with you, chat with your kids, pet your dog. Here it’s quite frankly the opposite.

Social opportunites come from institutions like schools or the rec center or the Pac Club, not neighbors. And I think people like it that way for some reason. I find it incredibly antiseptic. But again, some people like it that way.

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you’ll fit in fine!

[CVFanGirl]

I’d have to agree about CV. I was thrilled to move here, having heard so many good things about the schools, how safe it is etc. Then I took my kids to the park. It’s there you get a sense of how life really is for people here.

During the week, it’s all nannies. It’s not optimal conversation since they treat you like you’re their employer. there is the rare mom but the kids are always under two since the older ones are off to preschool asap.

On the weekends, the park is overwhelmed by the soccer crowd. Chaotic but lively. Parents do keep to themselves and their friends however. It’s very hard to socialize casually if you’re just there for an hour or so to give the kids time to play.

I moved from a place had a huge park, lots of folks of all ages who would stop to chat with you, chat with your kids, pet your dog. Here it’s quite frankly the opposite.

Social opportunites come from institutions like schools or the rec center or the Pac Club, not neighbors. And I think people like it that way for some reason. I find it incredibly antiseptic. But again, some people like it that way.

Just make sure to botox the expression off your face before you buy here and you’ll fit in fine!

[gn]

I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.

That's right. In term of API test scores (at the elementary level), 4S schools are around 850-900. Carmel Valley schools are around 875-975.

How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

In the morning on the I-15, from Camino del Norte to Mira Mesa blvd, there is heavy traffic. From Mira Mesa blvd to downtown you won't see much traffic.

I guess what you are asking is: what makes CV that much more expensive ?

1. Demographic. CV is solidly upper middle class. 4S is a mixture of both upper middle class & middle class.

2. Better schools

3. Closer to ocean

Is CV realy worth the price?

Only you can answer this question.

[gn]

I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.

That's right. In term of API test scores (at the elementary level), 4S schools are around 850-900. Carmel Valley schools are around 875-975.

How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

In the morning on the I-15, from Camino del Norte to Mira Mesa blvd, there is heavy traffic. From Mira Mesa blvd to downtown you won't see much traffic.

I guess what you are asking is: what makes CV that much more expensive ?

1. Demographic. CV is solidly upper middle class. 4S is a mixture of both upper middle class & middle class.

2. Better schools

3. Closer to ocean

Is CV realy worth the price?

Only you can answer this question.

[gn]

I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.

That's right. In term of API test scores (at the elementary level), 4S schools are around 850-900. Carmel Valley schools are around 875-975.

How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

In the morning on the I-15, from Camino del Norte to Mira Mesa blvd, there is heavy traffic. From Mira Mesa blvd to downtown you won't see much traffic.

I guess what you are asking is: what makes CV that much more expensive ?

1. Demographic. CV is solidly upper middle class. 4S is a mixture of both upper middle class & middle class.

2. Better schools

3. Closer to ocean

Is CV realy worth the price?

Only you can answer this question.

[gn]

I suppose the schools at 4S are not going to be much worse than those in CV.

That's right. In term of API test scores (at the elementary level), 4S schools are around 850-900. Carmel Valley schools are around 875-975.

How is the commute from 4S to downtown SD?

In the morning on the I-15, from Camino del Norte to Mira Mesa blvd, there is heavy traffic. From Mira Mesa blvd to downtown you won't see much traffic.

I guess what you are asking is: what makes CV that much more expensive ?

1. Demographic. CV is solidly upper middle class. 4S is a mixture of both upper middle class & middle class.

2. Better schools

3. Closer to ocean

Is CV realy worth the price?

Only you can answer this question.

[Coronita]

I live in Carmel Valley. I would say you do see a lot of nannies in some places, but you also see a lot of stay at home moms. The comment about pretentious. I would say depends on which neighborhood you're in. I guess if you break into the over $1mil, you do see more of the name brand cars and such. I guess I just live around the worker bees. I haven't had really any issues with people be pretentious here. Seems to be good families with good values. Can't comment on 4sranch. I like how it's new, but don't like how in the summer time it gets really hot. I guess where I live, there is an ocean breeze, so i don't have a need to run A/C during the summers.

 

I do have a live in a nanny, and personally I think she is fine. But at the same time, I'm aspiring to one day be a stay home dad when our financials allows it.

Then again, I don't have a lot of blond and brunette friends here that fit the age old stereotypes, so I wouldn't know about the botox and fake other things comments. I would think that you would have superficial people all over southern ca. Most of my friends and wifes are all pretty well educated, some more than me. A lot of biotech phd's which I have to admit for ph'd are pretty good looking.

 

 

[Coronita]

I live in Carmel Valley. I would say you do see a lot of nannies in some places, but you also see a lot of stay at home moms. The comment about pretentious. I would say depends on which neighborhood you're in. I guess if you break into the over $1mil, you do see more of the name brand cars and such. I guess I just live around the worker bees. I haven't had really any issues with people be pretentious here. Seems to be good families with good values. Can't comment on 4sranch. I like how it's new, but don't like how in the summer time it gets really hot. I guess where I live, there is an ocean breeze, so i don't have a need to run A/C during the summers.

 

I do have a live in a nanny, and personally I think she is fine. But at the same time, I'm aspiring to one day be a stay home dad when our financials allows it.

Then again, I don't have a lot of blond and brunette friends here that fit the age old stereotypes, so I wouldn't know about the botox and fake other things comments. I would think that you would have superficial people all over southern ca. Most of my friends and wifes are all pretty well educated, some more than me. A lot of biotech phd's which I have to admit for ph'd are pretty good looking.

 

 

[Coronita]

I live in Carmel Valley. I would say you do see a lot of nannies in some places, but you also see a lot of stay at home moms. The comment about pretentious. I would say depends on which neighborhood you're in. I guess if you break into the over $1mil, you do see more of the name brand cars and such. I guess I just live around the worker bees. I haven't had really any issues with people be pretentious here. Seems to be good families with good values. Can't comment on 4sranch. I like how it's new, but don't like how in the summer time it gets really hot. I guess where I live, there is an ocean breeze, so i don't have a need to run A/C during the summers.

 

I do have a live in a nanny, and personally I think she is fine. But at the same time, I'm aspiring to one day be a stay home dad when our financials allows it.

Then again, I don't have a lot of blond and brunette friends here that fit the age old stereotypes, so I wouldn't know about the botox and fake other things comments. I would think that you would have superficial people all over southern ca. Most of my friends and wifes are all pretty well educated, some more than me. A lot of biotech phd's which I have to admit for ph'd are pretty good looking.

 

 

[Coronita]

I live in Carmel Valley. I would say you do see a lot of nannies in some places, but you also see a lot of stay at home moms. The comment about pretentious. I would say depends on which neighborhood you're in. I guess if you break into the over $1mil, you do see more of the name brand cars and such. I guess I just live around the worker bees. I haven't had really any issues with people be pretentious here. Seems to be good families with good values. Can't comment on 4sranch. I like how it's new, but don't like how in the summer time it gets really hot. I guess where I live, there is an ocean breeze, so i don't have a need to run A/C during the summers.

 

I do have a live in a nanny, and personally I think she is fine. But at the same time, I'm aspiring to one day be a stay home dad when our financials allows it.

Then again, I don't have a lot of blond and brunette friends here that fit the age old stereotypes, so I wouldn't know about the botox and fake other things comments. I would think that you would have superficial people all over southern ca. Most of my friends and wifes are all pretty well educated, some more than me. A lot of biotech phd's which I have to admit for ph'd are pretty good looking.

 

 

[Coronita]

I live in Carmel Valley. I would say you do see a lot of nannies in some places, but you also see a lot of stay at home moms. The comment about pretentious. I would say depends on which neighborhood you're in. I guess if you break into the over $1mil, you do see more of the name brand cars and such. I guess I just live around the worker bees. I haven't had really any issues with people be pretentious here. Seems to be good families with good values. Can't comment on 4sranch. I like how it's new, but don't like how in the summer time it gets really hot. I guess where I live, there is an ocean breeze, so i don't have a need to run A/C during the summers.

 

I do have a live in a nanny, and personally I think she is fine. But at the same time, I'm aspiring to one day be a stay home dad when our financials allows it.

Then again, I don't have a lot of blond and brunette friends here that fit the age old stereotypes, so I wouldn't know about the botox and fake other things comments. I would think that you would have superficial people all over southern ca. Most of my friends and wifes are all pretty well educated, some more than me. A lot of biotech phd's which I have to admit for ph'd are pretty good looking.

 

 

[Anonymous]

I’ve lived in CV (specifically, Torrey Hills) since the beginning of 2005.

With regard to the initial question, no I do not see how it is worth the current asking prices. I’m renting and have been watching those prices inch down these last three years. They haven’t dropped much (esp in the $1M+ bracket), presumably because the population can afford to hold out for the market to rebound. However, I’m sure there’s a growing number of people who’d like to sell. Be that as it may, these are indeed tract houses, as has been pointed out. Many are huge, taking up almost the entire lot they sit on. I suppose the builders got a better profit margin that way.

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.) There’s no comparison between this and an older neighborhood in San Diego where I lived for 21 years. Now there was a place where you really had to work overtime to find a friend!

We could live in Torrey Hills indefinitely. I wish I owned a 2K-sq-ft house there, of which there are a few. However, I will never buy at current prices. Again, these are still just tract houses.

[zk]

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)

[pk92108]

Where is the soul of 4S ranch?? And is it really greener???? Didn’t it almost get laid to waste by the fires??? All track home neighborhoods lack a “soul” perhaps…

[raptorduck]

My 1/2 cent, why not.

I used to live in CV some years ago, off Carmel Creek and Carmel Country. I also lived in Del Mar 50yds from the water. I went there from here, the Bay Area. Now Del Mar was the nicest place I have ever lived in my life, full stop.

Ok, I also loved CV. I had never lived in an area of mostly newer homes of a general style I prefer to the all too common ranch and Eichler’s in the parts of the Bay Area I came from.

Funny thing about perspective. People up here can in some areas be very very stuffy and aloof. Soccer mom’s up here in some places really do think they own the road, the town, the school, and that you are benieth them. I have found that if you start to make a little money, just enough to leverage debt to lease/buy nice things, like german cars, and nicer houses, but not enough money to be truly financially comfortable, independent, secure, you push a sense of entitlement and privilage ahead of your means and project it on others as a sense of superiority. As you go up that income ladder and find folks with real money, you tend to find humility once again, like you did in the true middle class.

Ok, so I say that because you no doubt find that in CV. Many people there are upwardly moble professionals and junior executives and have worked hard to get there, and some want the world to know that. But compared to where I came from, I found the CV folk to be just fine. Yes I did encounter lots of those “get out of my way I’m important” soccer mom types, but I also found many nice people just trying to raise families in a nice community. Go to the Soup Plantation any Friday night and ask yourself are these people mean and rude, or just trying to live their family lives.

CV is just fine. Perhaps 4s has a few more modest folk, but you should try up here if you really want to find arrogance.

As for the homes, well, tract homes yes. There are plusses and minuses to living in areas where your house is the exact same as 25% of your neighbors, but at least everybody’s house is pretty nice. Is CV worth the premium, for schools, probably; commute, probably; anything else, up to you.

As for 4S, there is a resident on this board named 4Ssomething or other who loves the area and can give you some info.

Overall, most of the advice you got on this thread from others is spot on. Take it all in and consider your options.

Either way, as a Bay Area resident I can tell you that you have a win-win situation, because you will still be in SD!

[Alex_angel]

Spend a full day in both neighborhoods. Not just looking at homes, but hang out in the starbucks and take a walk through the stores. Get a feel of what people are like. If there is a soccer or baseball game, pull over and watch, liten to how the parents interact. Go by the parks and see which one you believe your kids would feel the most comfortable in. In the end you will have a better gut feeling as to which area you want to be in.

Also. Take your car and drive to CV, then time your drive downtown. Then drive downtown to 4S. You’ll get an idea about the commute.

[Alex_angel]

Spend a full day in both neighborhoods. Not just looking at homes, but hang out in the starbucks and take a walk through the stores. Get a feel of what people are like. If there is a soccer or baseball game, pull over and watch, liten to how the parents interact. Go by the parks and see which one you believe your kids would feel the most comfortable in. In the end you will have a better gut feeling as to which area you want to be in.

Also. Take your car and drive to CV, then time your drive downtown. Then drive downtown to 4S. You’ll get an idea about the commute.

[Alex_angel]

Spend a full day in both neighborhoods. Not just looking at homes, but hang out in the starbucks and take a walk through the stores. Get a feel of what people are like. If there is a soccer or baseball game, pull over and watch, liten to how the parents interact. Go by the parks and see which one you believe your kids would feel the most comfortable in. In the end you will have a better gut feeling as to which area you want to be in.

Also. Take your car and drive to CV, then time your drive downtown. Then drive downtown to 4S. You’ll get an idea about the commute.

[Alex_angel]

Spend a full day in both neighborhoods. Not just looking at homes, but hang out in the starbucks and take a walk through the stores. Get a feel of what people are like. If there is a soccer or baseball game, pull over and watch, liten to how the parents interact. Go by the parks and see which one you believe your kids would feel the most comfortable in. In the end you will have a better gut feeling as to which area you want to be in.

Also. Take your car and drive to CV, then time your drive downtown. Then drive downtown to 4S. You’ll get an idea about the commute.

[Alex_angel]

Spend a full day in both neighborhoods. Not just looking at homes, but hang out in the starbucks and take a walk through the stores. Get a feel of what people are like. If there is a soccer or baseball game, pull over and watch, liten to how the parents interact. Go by the parks and see which one you believe your kids would feel the most comfortable in. In the end you will have a better gut feeling as to which area you want to be in.

Also. Take your car and drive to CV, then time your drive downtown. Then drive downtown to 4S. You’ll get an idea about the commute.

[raptorduck]

My 1/2 cent, why not.

I used to live in CV some years ago, off Carmel Creek and Carmel Country. I also lived in Del Mar 50yds from the water. I went there from here, the Bay Area. Now Del Mar was the nicest place I have ever lived in my life, full stop.

Ok, I also loved CV. I had never lived in an area of mostly newer homes of a general style I prefer to the all too common ranch and Eichler’s in the parts of the Bay Area I came from.

Funny thing about perspective. People up here can in some areas be very very stuffy and aloof. Soccer mom’s up here in some places really do think they own the road, the town, the school, and that you are benieth them. I have found that if you start to make a little money, just enough to leverage debt to lease/buy nice things, like german cars, and nicer houses, but not enough money to be truly financially comfortable, independent, secure, you push a sense of entitlement and privilage ahead of your means and project it on others as a sense of superiority. As you go up that income ladder and find folks with real money, you tend to find humility once again, like you did in the true middle class.

Ok, so I say that because you no doubt find that in CV. Many people there are upwardly moble professionals and junior executives and have worked hard to get there, and some want the world to know that. But compared to where I came from, I found the CV folk to be just fine. Yes I did encounter lots of those “get out of my way I’m important” soccer mom types, but I also found many nice people just trying to raise families in a nice community. Go to the Soup Plantation any Friday night and ask yourself are these people mean and rude, or just trying to live their family lives.

CV is just fine. Perhaps 4s has a few more modest folk, but you should try up here if you really want to find arrogance.

As for the homes, well, tract homes yes. There are plusses and minuses to living in areas where your house is the exact same as 25% of your neighbors, but at least everybody’s house is pretty nice. Is CV worth the premium, for schools, probably; commute, probably; anything else, up to you.

As for 4S, there is a resident on this board named 4Ssomething or other who loves the area and can give you some info.

Overall, most of the advice you got on this thread from others is spot on. Take it all in and consider your options.

Either way, as a Bay Area resident I can tell you that you have a win-win situation, because you will still be in SD!

[raptorduck]

My 1/2 cent, why not.

I used to live in CV some years ago, off Carmel Creek and Carmel Country. I also lived in Del Mar 50yds from the water. I went there from here, the Bay Area. Now Del Mar was the nicest place I have ever lived in my life, full stop.

Ok, I also loved CV. I had never lived in an area of mostly newer homes of a general style I prefer to the all too common ranch and Eichler’s in the parts of the Bay Area I came from.

Funny thing about perspective. People up here can in some areas be very very stuffy and aloof. Soccer mom’s up here in some places really do think they own the road, the town, the school, and that you are benieth them. I have found that if you start to make a little money, just enough to leverage debt to lease/buy nice things, like german cars, and nicer houses, but not enough money to be truly financially comfortable, independent, secure, you push a sense of entitlement and privilage ahead of your means and project it on others as a sense of superiority. As you go up that income ladder and find folks with real money, you tend to find humility once again, like you did in the true middle class.

Ok, so I say that because you no doubt find that in CV. Many people there are upwardly moble professionals and junior executives and have worked hard to get there, and some want the world to know that. But compared to where I came from, I found the CV folk to be just fine. Yes I did encounter lots of those “get out of my way I’m important” soccer mom types, but I also found many nice people just trying to raise families in a nice community. Go to the Soup Plantation any Friday night and ask yourself are these people mean and rude, or just trying to live their family lives.

CV is just fine. Perhaps 4s has a few more modest folk, but you should try up here if you really want to find arrogance.

As for the homes, well, tract homes yes. There are plusses and minuses to living in areas where your house is the exact same as 25% of your neighbors, but at least everybody’s house is pretty nice. Is CV worth the premium, for schools, probably; commute, probably; anything else, up to you.

As for 4S, there is a resident on this board named 4Ssomething or other who loves the area and can give you some info.

Overall, most of the advice you got on this thread from others is spot on. Take it all in and consider your options.

Either way, as a Bay Area resident I can tell you that you have a win-win situation, because you will still be in SD!

[raptorduck]

My 1/2 cent, why not.

I used to live in CV some years ago, off Carmel Creek and Carmel Country. I also lived in Del Mar 50yds from the water. I went there from here, the Bay Area. Now Del Mar was the nicest place I have ever lived in my life, full stop.

Ok, I also loved CV. I had never lived in an area of mostly newer homes of a general style I prefer to the all too common ranch and Eichler’s in the parts of the Bay Area I came from.

Funny thing about perspective. People up here can in some areas be very very stuffy and aloof. Soccer mom’s up here in some places really do think they own the road, the town, the school, and that you are benieth them. I have found that if you start to make a little money, just enough to leverage debt to lease/buy nice things, like german cars, and nicer houses, but not enough money to be truly financially comfortable, independent, secure, you push a sense of entitlement and privilage ahead of your means and project it on others as a sense of superiority. As you go up that income ladder and find folks with real money, you tend to find humility once again, like you did in the true middle class.

Ok, so I say that because you no doubt find that in CV. Many people there are upwardly moble professionals and junior executives and have worked hard to get there, and some want the world to know that. But compared to where I came from, I found the CV folk to be just fine. Yes I did encounter lots of those “get out of my way I’m important” soccer mom types, but I also found many nice people just trying to raise families in a nice community. Go to the Soup Plantation any Friday night and ask yourself are these people mean and rude, or just trying to live their family lives.

CV is just fine. Perhaps 4s has a few more modest folk, but you should try up here if you really want to find arrogance.

As for the homes, well, tract homes yes. There are plusses and minuses to living in areas where your house is the exact same as 25% of your neighbors, but at least everybody’s house is pretty nice. Is CV worth the premium, for schools, probably; commute, probably; anything else, up to you.

As for 4S, there is a resident on this board named 4Ssomething or other who loves the area and can give you some info.

Overall, most of the advice you got on this thread from others is spot on. Take it all in and consider your options.

Either way, as a Bay Area resident I can tell you that you have a win-win situation, because you will still be in SD!

[raptorduck]

My 1/2 cent, why not.

I used to live in CV some years ago, off Carmel Creek and Carmel Country. I also lived in Del Mar 50yds from the water. I went there from here, the Bay Area. Now Del Mar was the nicest place I have ever lived in my life, full stop.

Ok, I also loved CV. I had never lived in an area of mostly newer homes of a general style I prefer to the all too common ranch and Eichler’s in the parts of the Bay Area I came from.

Funny thing about perspective. People up here can in some areas be very very stuffy and aloof. Soccer mom’s up here in some places really do think they own the road, the town, the school, and that you are benieth them. I have found that if you start to make a little money, just enough to leverage debt to lease/buy nice things, like german cars, and nicer houses, but not enough money to be truly financially comfortable, independent, secure, you push a sense of entitlement and privilage ahead of your means and project it on others as a sense of superiority. As you go up that income ladder and find folks with real money, you tend to find humility once again, like you did in the true middle class.

Ok, so I say that because you no doubt find that in CV. Many people there are upwardly moble professionals and junior executives and have worked hard to get there, and some want the world to know that. But compared to where I came from, I found the CV folk to be just fine. Yes I did encounter lots of those “get out of my way I’m important” soccer mom types, but I also found many nice people just trying to raise families in a nice community. Go to the Soup Plantation any Friday night and ask yourself are these people mean and rude, or just trying to live their family lives.

CV is just fine. Perhaps 4s has a few more modest folk, but you should try up here if you really want to find arrogance.

As for the homes, well, tract homes yes. There are plusses and minuses to living in areas where your house is the exact same as 25% of your neighbors, but at least everybody’s house is pretty nice. Is CV worth the premium, for schools, probably; commute, probably; anything else, up to you.

As for 4S, there is a resident on this board named 4Ssomething or other who loves the area and can give you some info.

Overall, most of the advice you got on this thread from others is spot on. Take it all in and consider your options.

Either way, as a Bay Area resident I can tell you that you have a win-win situation, because you will still be in SD!

[pk92108]

Where is the soul of 4S ranch?? And is it really greener???? Didn’t it almost get laid to waste by the fires??? All track home neighborhoods lack a “soul” perhaps…

[pk92108]

Where is the soul of 4S ranch?? And is it really greener???? Didn’t it almost get laid to waste by the fires??? All track home neighborhoods lack a “soul” perhaps…

[pk92108]

Where is the soul of 4S ranch?? And is it really greener???? Didn’t it almost get laid to waste by the fires??? All track home neighborhoods lack a “soul” perhaps…

[pk92108]

Where is the soul of 4S ranch?? And is it really greener???? Didn’t it almost get laid to waste by the fires??? All track home neighborhoods lack a “soul” perhaps…

[zk]

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)

[zk]

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)

[zk]

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)

[zk]

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.)

Well, obviously “soul” is pretty hard to define. As I said before, there is a sense of community and it’s easy to get to know lots of people. And also, I agree with all the comments you make (right down to the Chinese wife).

I guess I’d define “soul” more as a character and a feeling all its own. Leucadia, OB, PB. Places like that are unique. CV is a very nice place with lots of nice people, but it certainly doesn’t (in my opinion) approach those places for character. CV really is pretty bland and pretty similar to a lot of other places (Scripps Ranch, 4S, etc.)

[Anonymous]

I’ve lived in CV (specifically, Torrey Hills) since the beginning of 2005.

With regard to the initial question, no I do not see how it is worth the current asking prices. I’m renting and have been watching those prices inch down these last three years. They haven’t dropped much (esp in the $1M+ bracket), presumably because the population can afford to hold out for the market to rebound. However, I’m sure there’s a growing number of people who’d like to sell. Be that as it may, these are indeed tract houses, as has been pointed out. Many are huge, taking up almost the entire lot they sit on. I suppose the builders got a better profit margin that way.

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.) There’s no comparison between this and an older neighborhood in San Diego where I lived for 21 years. Now there was a place where you really had to work overtime to find a friend!

We could live in Torrey Hills indefinitely. I wish I owned a 2K-sq-ft house there, of which there are a few. However, I will never buy at current prices. Again, these are still just tract houses.

[Anonymous]

I’ve lived in CV (specifically, Torrey Hills) since the beginning of 2005.

With regard to the initial question, no I do not see how it is worth the current asking prices. I’m renting and have been watching those prices inch down these last three years. They haven’t dropped much (esp in the $1M+ bracket), presumably because the population can afford to hold out for the market to rebound. However, I’m sure there’s a growing number of people who’d like to sell. Be that as it may, these are indeed tract houses, as has been pointed out. Many are huge, taking up almost the entire lot they sit on. I suppose the builders got a better profit margin that way.

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.) There’s no comparison between this and an older neighborhood in San Diego where I lived for 21 years. Now there was a place where you really had to work overtime to find a friend!

We could live in Torrey Hills indefinitely. I wish I owned a 2K-sq-ft house there, of which there are a few. However, I will never buy at current prices. Again, these are still just tract houses.

[Anonymous]

I’ve lived in CV (specifically, Torrey Hills) since the beginning of 2005.

With regard to the initial question, no I do not see how it is worth the current asking prices. I’m renting and have been watching those prices inch down these last three years. They haven’t dropped much (esp in the $1M+ bracket), presumably because the population can afford to hold out for the market to rebound. However, I’m sure there’s a growing number of people who’d like to sell. Be that as it may, these are indeed tract houses, as has been pointed out. Many are huge, taking up almost the entire lot they sit on. I suppose the builders got a better profit margin that way.

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.) There’s no comparison between this and an older neighborhood in San Diego where I lived for 21 years. Now there was a place where you really had to work overtime to find a friend!

We could live in Torrey Hills indefinitely. I wish I owned a 2K-sq-ft house there, of which there are a few. However, I will never buy at current prices. Again, these are still just tract houses.

[Anonymous]

I’ve lived in CV (specifically, Torrey Hills) since the beginning of 2005.

With regard to the initial question, no I do not see how it is worth the current asking prices. I’m renting and have been watching those prices inch down these last three years. They haven’t dropped much (esp in the $1M+ bracket), presumably because the population can afford to hold out for the market to rebound. However, I’m sure there’s a growing number of people who’d like to sell. Be that as it may, these are indeed tract houses, as has been pointed out. Many are huge, taking up almost the entire lot they sit on. I suppose the builders got a better profit margin that way.

I take exception, however to the “no soul” observations. My kid is in school in Torrey Hills and partly as a result of that we know lots of people in the neighborhood. Also, my wife is Chinese and thinks she is in heaven due to the high number of friendly neighbors who speak her language. It’s a rare day when we go out without seeing people we know and like. (I’m not aware of any aversion to us on the grounds of our being mere tenants.) There’s no comparison between this and an older neighborhood in San Diego where I lived for 21 years. Now there was a place where you really had to work overtime to find a friend!

We could live in Torrey Hills indefinitely. I wish I owned a 2K-sq-ft house there, of which there are a few. However, I will never buy at current prices. Again, these are still just tract houses.

[dejams]

I agree with raptorduck, I used to lived in Bay Area (SF, Fremont, Santa Clara) for over 25 years and people up there are more arrogant and less friendly. I moved to Poway 6 months ago and find SD areas are more suitable to raise a family. The weather in SD is much nicer and the housing is much cheaper comparing to Bay Area. I like CV and 4S but the new homes have not character and the big hit on your wallet for the mello roos. I am lurking in both areas and will make a purchase soon if the price is right. Comes to thing of it, price needs to drop another 10-20% before I consider.

[sdrealtor]

As frightening as it is for me to say so, I agree with Alex 100% about CV.

[Alex_angel]

Don’t fight the darkside sdrealtor. lol. I live in CV and work near 4S so I do get to see both areas everyday so I do have a good grasp on what the areas are like

[Alex_angel]

Don’t fight the darkside sdrealtor. lol. I live in CV and work near 4S so I do get to see both areas everyday so I do have a good grasp on what the areas are like

[Alex_angel]

Don’t fight the darkside sdrealtor. lol. I live in CV and work near 4S so I do get to see both areas everyday so I do have a good grasp on what the areas are like

[Alex_angel]

Don’t fight the darkside sdrealtor. lol. I live in CV and work near 4S so I do get to see both areas everyday so I do have a good grasp on what the areas are like

[Alex_angel]

Don’t fight the darkside sdrealtor. lol. I live in CV and work near 4S so I do get to see both areas everyday so I do have a good grasp on what the areas are like

[sdrealtor]

As frightening as it is for me to say so, I agree with Alex 100% about CV.

[sdrealtor]

As frightening as it is for me to say so, I agree with Alex 100% about CV.

[sdrealtor]

As frightening as it is for me to say so, I agree with Alex 100% about CV.

[sdrealtor]

As frightening as it is for me to say so, I agree with Alex 100% about CV.

[dejams]

I agree with raptorduck, I used to lived in Bay Area (SF, Fremont, Santa Clara) for over 25 years and people up there are more arrogant and less friendly. I moved to Poway 6 months ago and find SD areas are more suitable to raise a family. The weather in SD is much nicer and the housing is much cheaper comparing to Bay Area. I like CV and 4S but the new homes have not character and the big hit on your wallet for the mello roos. I am lurking in both areas and will make a purchase soon if the price is right. Comes to thing of it, price needs to drop another 10-20% before I consider.

[dejams]

I agree with raptorduck, I used to lived in Bay Area (SF, Fremont, Santa Clara) for over 25 years and people up there are more arrogant and less friendly. I moved to Poway 6 months ago and find SD areas are more suitable to raise a family. The weather in SD is much nicer and the housing is much cheaper comparing to Bay Area. I like CV and 4S but the new homes have not character and the big hit on your wallet for the mello roos. I am lurking in both areas and will make a purchase soon if the price is right. Comes to thing of it, price needs to drop another 10-20% before I consider.

[dejams]

I agree with raptorduck, I used to lived in Bay Area (SF, Fremont, Santa Clara) for over 25 years and people up there are more arrogant and less friendly. I moved to Poway 6 months ago and find SD areas are more suitable to raise a family. The weather in SD is much nicer and the housing is much cheaper comparing to Bay Area. I like CV and 4S but the new homes have not character and the big hit on your wallet for the mello roos. I am lurking in both areas and will make a purchase soon if the price is right. Comes to thing of it, price needs to drop another 10-20% before I consider.

[dejams]

I agree with raptorduck, I used to lived in Bay Area (SF, Fremont, Santa Clara) for over 25 years and people up there are more arrogant and less friendly. I moved to Poway 6 months ago and find SD areas are more suitable to raise a family. The weather in SD is much nicer and the housing is much cheaper comparing to Bay Area. I like CV and 4S but the new homes have not character and the big hit on your wallet for the mello roos. I am lurking in both areas and will make a purchase soon if the price is right. Comes to thing of it, price needs to drop another 10-20% before I consider.

[SD Realtor]

screnter I would absolutely pass on making a choice of where I am going to plunk down 3/4 of a million dollars based on an internet blog.

Both of the communities you mentioned are a landing point for youger families who have strong income. Both communities are fairly generic from the standpoint of neither having any strong history, and basically both of them being master planned communities. More then likely both of them will hit you with Mello Roos. Both have very good school districts.

My advice would be that if you are relocating then I would absolutely rent in one of them to see if it is a match. Both developments have pros and cons. If someone is saying that 4S by far and away has more character then CV then I would say perhaps… however on a grand scale it they are both similar to having a manufactured master planned community character then say more well established communities in San Diego.

Price is driven by demand so the higher pricing in CV indicates a stronger demand. The primary cause is that CV is much closer to the engineering and biotech firms located in the Golden Triangle.

SD Realtor

[screnter]

thank you all for the info and comments. We will take more time to visit these two areas.
where is Golden Triangle? is it Sorrento valley — UTC area?

[SD Realtor]

It is somewhat fluid. Yes it is considered Sorrento Valley however over the past few years there was substantial development to the north of UTC so alot of traffic goes there now as well. Even all the biotech on North TP road “maybe” considered. For instance my engineering firm is at the Tech Center which is Mira Mesa exit off of 805. Smack in the middle of GT.

Again, I think you will find both areas have many good qualities to them. Also I tend to think if your commute is downtown CV is less of a commute.

SD Realtor

[paramount]

I’m sure the demographics of 4S Ranch would indicate a higher than average income.

But then this is Piggington, where 99.9% of all people make 200k, have a 800 credit rating with no debts and have never been late on a bill. And yet most rent – go figure.

So yah, maybe 4S is middle class, in the Piggington Fantasy World.

[paramount]

I’m sure the demographics of 4S Ranch would indicate a higher than average income.

But then this is Piggington, where 99.9% of all people make 200k, have a 800 credit rating with no debts and have never been late on a bill. And yet most rent – go figure.

So yah, maybe 4S is middle class, in the Piggington Fantasy World.

[paramount]

I’m sure the demographics of 4S Ranch would indicate a higher than average income.

But then this is Piggington, where 99.9% of all people make 200k, have a 800 credit rating with no debts and have never been late on a bill. And yet most rent – go figure.

So yah, maybe 4S is middle class, in the Piggington Fantasy World.

[paramount]

I’m sure the demographics of 4S Ranch would indicate a higher than average income.

But then this is Piggington, where 99.9% of all people make 200k, have a 800 credit rating with no debts and have never been late on a bill. And yet most rent – go figure.

So yah, maybe 4S is middle class, in the Piggington Fantasy World.

[paramount]

I’m sure the demographics of 4S Ranch would indicate a higher than average income.

But then this is Piggington, where 99.9% of all people make 200k, have a 800 credit rating with no debts and have never been late on a bill. And yet most rent – go figure.

So yah, maybe 4S is middle class, in the Piggington Fantasy World.

[SD Realtor]

It is somewhat fluid. Yes it is considered Sorrento Valley however over the past few years there was substantial development to the north of UTC so alot of traffic goes there now as well. Even all the biotech on North TP road “maybe” considered. For instance my engineering firm is at the Tech Center which is Mira Mesa exit off of 805. Smack in the middle of GT.

Again, I think you will find both areas have many good qualities to them. Also I tend to think if your commute is downtown CV is less of a commute.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

It is somewhat fluid. Yes it is considered Sorrento Valley however over the past few years there was substantial development to the north of UTC so alot of traffic goes there now as well. Even all the biotech on North TP road “maybe” considered. For instance my engineering firm is at the Tech Center which is Mira Mesa exit off of 805. Smack in the middle of GT.

Again, I think you will find both areas have many good qualities to them. Also I tend to think if your commute is downtown CV is less of a commute.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

It is somewhat fluid. Yes it is considered Sorrento Valley however over the past few years there was substantial development to the north of UTC so alot of traffic goes there now as well. Even all the biotech on North TP road “maybe” considered. For instance my engineering firm is at the Tech Center which is Mira Mesa exit off of 805. Smack in the middle of GT.

Again, I think you will find both areas have many good qualities to them. Also I tend to think if your commute is downtown CV is less of a commute.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

It is somewhat fluid. Yes it is considered Sorrento Valley however over the past few years there was substantial development to the north of UTC so alot of traffic goes there now as well. Even all the biotech on North TP road “maybe” considered. For instance my engineering firm is at the Tech Center which is Mira Mesa exit off of 805. Smack in the middle of GT.

Again, I think you will find both areas have many good qualities to them. Also I tend to think if your commute is downtown CV is less of a commute.

SD Realtor

[screnter]

thank you all for the info and comments. We will take more time to visit these two areas.
where is Golden Triangle? is it Sorrento valley — UTC area?

[screnter]

thank you all for the info and comments. We will take more time to visit these two areas.
where is Golden Triangle? is it Sorrento valley — UTC area?

[screnter]

thank you all for the info and comments. We will take more time to visit these two areas.
where is Golden Triangle? is it Sorrento valley — UTC area?

[screnter]

thank you all for the info and comments. We will take more time to visit these two areas.
where is Golden Triangle? is it Sorrento valley — UTC area?

[SD Realtor]

screnter I would absolutely pass on making a choice of where I am going to plunk down 3/4 of a million dollars based on an internet blog.

Both of the communities you mentioned are a landing point for youger families who have strong income. Both communities are fairly generic from the standpoint of neither having any strong history, and basically both of them being master planned communities. More then likely both of them will hit you with Mello Roos. Both have very good school districts.

My advice would be that if you are relocating then I would absolutely rent in one of them to see if it is a match. Both developments have pros and cons. If someone is saying that 4S by far and away has more character then CV then I would say perhaps… however on a grand scale it they are both similar to having a manufactured master planned community character then say more well established communities in San Diego.

Price is driven by demand so the higher pricing in CV indicates a stronger demand. The primary cause is that CV is much closer to the engineering and biotech firms located in the Golden Triangle.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

screnter I would absolutely pass on making a choice of where I am going to plunk down 3/4 of a million dollars based on an internet blog.

Both of the communities you mentioned are a landing point for youger families who have strong income. Both communities are fairly generic from the standpoint of neither having any strong history, and basically both of them being master planned communities. More then likely both of them will hit you with Mello Roos. Both have very good school districts.

My advice would be that if you are relocating then I would absolutely rent in one of them to see if it is a match. Both developments have pros and cons. If someone is saying that 4S by far and away has more character then CV then I would say perhaps… however on a grand scale it they are both similar to having a manufactured master planned community character then say more well established communities in San Diego.

Price is driven by demand so the higher pricing in CV indicates a stronger demand. The primary cause is that CV is much closer to the engineering and biotech firms located in the Golden Triangle.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

screnter I would absolutely pass on making a choice of where I am going to plunk down 3/4 of a million dollars based on an internet blog.

Both of the communities you mentioned are a landing point for youger families who have strong income. Both communities are fairly generic from the standpoint of neither having any strong history, and basically both of them being master planned communities. More then likely both of them will hit you with Mello Roos. Both have very good school districts.

My advice would be that if you are relocating then I would absolutely rent in one of them to see if it is a match. Both developments have pros and cons. If someone is saying that 4S by far and away has more character then CV then I would say perhaps… however on a grand scale it they are both similar to having a manufactured master planned community character then say more well established communities in San Diego.

Price is driven by demand so the higher pricing in CV indicates a stronger demand. The primary cause is that CV is much closer to the engineering and biotech firms located in the Golden Triangle.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

screnter I would absolutely pass on making a choice of where I am going to plunk down 3/4 of a million dollars based on an internet blog.

Both of the communities you mentioned are a landing point for youger families who have strong income. Both communities are fairly generic from the standpoint of neither having any strong history, and basically both of them being master planned communities. More then likely both of them will hit you with Mello Roos. Both have very good school districts.

My advice would be that if you are relocating then I would absolutely rent in one of them to see if it is a match. Both developments have pros and cons. If someone is saying that 4S by far and away has more character then CV then I would say perhaps… however on a grand scale it they are both similar to having a manufactured master planned community character then say more well established communities in San Diego.

Price is driven by demand so the higher pricing in CV indicates a stronger demand. The primary cause is that CV is much closer to the engineering and biotech firms located in the Golden Triangle.

SD Realtor

[Coronita]

I would say both CV and 4S is both nice communities.

Personally, the thing that I don't like about 4S though are

1) I think it's pretty hot there ( no, I'm not talking about the women). I mean the weather is warm. I recall driving through there in the summer time, and for awhile I use to work near there. When it was 95 there, it was about 89 where I live (at least according to my outdoor temp gauge in my car).

2) 4S (and Del Sur and new parts of CV off 56) are new of a community that came to life around this real estate bubble. To me, this is a haven for overleveraged, stretched buyers, and could spell potential for an issue. CV is overpriced, and there are a lot of new buyers that probably are stretched too, but I would say there is also a fair share of older residents too. I like living in an older community right now, because I sort of think the people around me will probably we around for a lot longer. I like consistency in a neighborhood.

 

While I do hope real estate comes down so that as a rental for us or first home for others is doable, I don't like the idea of being in a new neighborhood, because who knows what kind of financing those new people have. For that reason, I'd be leary of living in some of the Pardee communities in Carmel Valley, as I suspect you have a lot of first time buyers who overstretched or overpaid or both (IE Carriage run, Saratoga, Derby Hills,etc).

 

As far as construction quality. I'd say it's a wash. Stucco boxes are stucco boxes wherever you may live.

That said, if raw sqft matter more to you, you'll definitely get more in 4s for the same money.

It's a really personal decision. I'd recommend you live in both places as a renter to figure out which you like better. You shouldn't feel like you're in a rush to buy right now anyway.

 

As far as people being superficial material etc. Well, a couple of things

1) We live in Southern CA. Duh!

2) If every american had the opportunity to flaunt wealth or perceived wealth, I would say most would do it. I recall a few people posted here about how superficial people in Temecula had become during the heydays of the real estate boom. Bimmers, fake you know whats, etc. There were people from Santee saying the same thing, and people from Otay Mesa saying the same thing. It doesn't matter what area you live in. When most americans "feel" rich, they'll let people know that. The only difference now versus before is that with the RE implosion, a lot of people who shouldn't have had access to so much liquidity got their sausages chopped off in the process. So you'll probably see a lot less flaunting in certain areas versus the other. When recession hits, I'm sure you'll see a decrease in the flaunting in CV too. However, certain areas like La Jolla Shores, Del Mar,etc, you'll still get the "look at me" type people. Oh well.

You want to see pretentious people, go to La Jolla Shores at night. Come on, the food is good down there, but not that good. Everyone thinks their dining like they live in NYC or SF.

 I've dined in pretty much every restaurant there for business. I sure as hell would never eat there on my own money personally.

[Coronita]

I would say both CV and 4S is both nice communities.

Personally, the thing that I don't like about 4S though are

1) I think it's pretty hot there ( no, I'm not talking about the women). I mean the weather is warm. I recall driving through there in the summer time, and for awhile I use to work near there. When it was 95 there, it was about 89 where I live (at least according to my outdoor temp gauge in my car).

2) 4S (and Del Sur and new parts of CV off 56) are new of a community that came to life around this real estate bubble. To me, this is a haven for overleveraged, stretched buyers, and could spell potential for an issue. CV is overpriced, and there are a lot of new buyers that probably are stretched too, but I would say there is also a fair share of older residents too. I like living in an older community right now, because I sort of think the people around me will probably we around for a lot longer. I like consistency in a neighborhood.

 

While I do hope real estate comes down so that as a rental for us or first home for others is doable, I don't like the idea of being in a new neighborhood, because who knows what kind of financing those new people have. For that reason, I'd be leary of living in some of the Pardee communities in Carmel Valley, as I suspect you have a lot of first time buyers who overstretched or overpaid or both (IE Carriage run, Saratoga, Derby Hills,etc).

 

As far as construction quality. I'd say it's a wash. Stucco boxes are stucco boxes wherever you may live.

That said, if raw sqft matter more to you, you'll definitely get more in 4s for the same money.

It's a really personal decision. I'd recommend you live in both places as a renter to figure out which you like better. You shouldn't feel like you're in a rush to buy right now anyway.

 

As far as people being superficial material etc. Well, a couple of things

1) We live in Southern CA. Duh!

2) If every american had the opportunity to flaunt wealth or perceived wealth, I would say most would do it. I recall a few people posted here about how superficial people in Temecula had become during the heydays of the real estate boom. Bimmers, fake you know whats, etc. There were people from Santee saying the same thing, and people from Otay Mesa saying the same thing. It doesn't matter what area you live in. When most americans "feel" rich, they'll let people know that. The only difference now versus before is that with the RE implosion, a lot of people who shouldn't have had access to so much liquidity got their sausages chopped off in the process. So you'll probably see a lot less flaunting in certain areas versus the other. When recession hits, I'm sure you'll see a decrease in the flaunting in CV too. However, certain areas like La Jolla Shores, Del Mar,etc, you'll still get the "look at me" type people. Oh well.

You want to see pretentious people, go to La Jolla Shores at night. Come on, the food is good down there, but not that good. Everyone thinks their dining like they live in NYC or SF.

 I've dined in pretty much every restaurant there for business. I sure as hell would never eat there on my own money personally.

[Coronita]

I would say both CV and 4S is both nice communities.

Personally, the thing that I don't like about 4S though are

1) I think it's pretty hot there ( no, I'm not talking about the women). I mean the weather is warm. I recall driving through there in the summer time, and for awhile I use to work near there. When it was 95 there, it was about 89 where I live (at least according to my outdoor temp gauge in my car).

2) 4S (and Del Sur and new parts of CV off 56) are new of a community that came to life around this real estate bubble. To me, this is a haven for overleveraged, stretched buyers, and could spell potential for an issue. CV is overpriced, and there are a lot of new buyers that probably are stretched too, but I would say there is also a fair share of older residents too. I like living in an older community right now, because I sort of think the people around me will probably we around for a lot longer. I like consistency in a neighborhood.

 

While I do hope real estate comes down so that as a rental for us or first home for others is doable, I don't like the idea of being in a new neighborhood, because who knows what kind of financing those new people have. For that reason, I'd be leary of living in some of the Pardee communities in Carmel Valley, as I suspect you have a lot of first time buyers who overstretched or overpaid or both (IE Carriage run, Saratoga, Derby Hills,etc).

 

As far as construction quality. I'd say it's a wash. Stucco boxes are stucco boxes wherever you may live.

That said, if raw sqft matter more to you, you'll definitely get more in 4s for the same money.

It's a really personal decision. I'd recommend you live in both places as a renter to figure out which you like better. You shouldn't feel like you're in a rush to buy right now anyway.

 

As far as people being superficial material etc. Well, a couple of things

1) We live in Southern CA. Duh!

2) If every american had the opportunity to flaunt wealth or perceived wealth, I would say most would do it. I recall a few people posted here about how superficial people in Temecula had become during the heydays of the real estate boom. Bimmers, fake you know whats, etc. There were people from Santee saying the same thing, and people from Otay Mesa saying the same thing. It doesn't matter what area you live in. When most americans "feel" rich, they'll let people know that. The only difference now versus before is that with the RE implosion, a lot of people who shouldn't have had access to so much liquidity got their sausages chopped off in the process. So you'll probably see a lot less flaunting in certain areas versus the other. When recession hits, I'm sure you'll see a decrease in the flaunting in CV too. However, certain areas like La Jolla Shores, Del Mar,etc, you'll still get the "look at me" type people. Oh well.

You want to see pretentious people, go to La Jolla Shores at night. Come on, the food is good down there, but not that good. Everyone thinks their dining like they live in NYC or SF.

 I've dined in pretty much every restaurant there for business. I sure as hell would never eat there on my own money personally.

[Coronita]

I would say both CV and 4S is both nice communities.

Personally, the thing that I don't like about 4S though are

1) I think it's pretty hot there ( no, I'm not talking about the women). I mean the weather is warm. I recall driving through there in the summer time, and for awhile I use to work near there. When it was 95 there, it was about 89 where I live (at least according to my outdoor temp gauge in my car).

2) 4S (and Del Sur and new parts of CV off 56) are new of a community that came to life around this real estate bubble. To me, this is a haven for overleveraged, stretched buyers, and could spell potential for an issue. CV is overpriced, and there are a lot of new buyers that probably are stretched too, but I would say there is also a fair share of older residents too. I like living in an older community right now, because I sort of think the people around me will probably we around for a lot longer. I like consistency in a neighborhood.

 

While I do hope real estate comes down so that as a rental for us or first home for others is doable, I don't like the idea of being in a new neighborhood, because who knows what kind of financing those new people have. For that reason, I'd be leary of living in some of the Pardee communities in Carmel Valley, as I suspect you have a lot of first time buyers who overstretched or overpaid or both (IE Carriage run, Saratoga, Derby Hills,etc).

 

As far as construction quality. I'd say it's a wash. Stucco boxes are stucco boxes wherever you may live.

That said, if raw sqft matter more to you, you'll definitely get more in 4s for the same money.

It's a really personal decision. I'd recommend you live in both places as a renter to figure out which you like better. You shouldn't feel like you're in a rush to buy right now anyway.

 

As far as people being superficial material etc. Well, a couple of things

1) We live in Southern CA. Duh!

2) If every american had the opportunity to flaunt wealth or perceived wealth, I would say most would do it. I recall a few people posted here about how superficial people in Temecula had become during the heydays of the real estate boom. Bimmers, fake you know whats, etc. There were people from Santee saying the same thing, and people from Otay Mesa saying the same thing. It doesn't matter what area you live in. When most americans "feel" rich, they'll let people know that. The only difference now versus before is that with the RE implosion, a lot of people who shouldn't have had access to so much liquidity got their sausages chopped off in the process. So you'll probably see a lot less flaunting in certain areas versus the other. When recession hits, I'm sure you'll see a decrease in the flaunting in CV too. However, certain areas like La Jolla Shores, Del Mar,etc, you'll still get the "look at me" type people. Oh well.

You want to see pretentious people, go to La Jolla Shores at night. Come on, the food is good down there, but not that good. Everyone thinks their dining like they live in NYC or SF.

 I've dined in pretty much every restaurant there for business. I sure as hell would never eat there on my own money personally.

[Coronita]

I would say both CV and 4S is both nice communities.

Personally, the thing that I don't like about 4S though are

1) I think it's pretty hot there ( no, I'm not talking about the women). I mean the weather is warm. I recall driving through there in the summer time, and for awhile I use to work near there. When it was 95 there, it was about 89 where I live (at least according to my outdoor temp gauge in my car).

2) 4S (and Del Sur and new parts of CV off 56) are new of a community that came to life around this real estate bubble. To me, this is a haven for overleveraged, stretched buyers, and could spell potential for an issue. CV is overpriced, and there are a lot of new buyers that probably are stretched too, but I would say there is also a fair share of older residents too. I like living in an older community right now, because I sort of think the people around me will probably we around for a lot longer. I like consistency in a neighborhood.

 

While I do hope real estate comes down so that as a rental for us or first home for others is doable, I don't like the idea of being in a new neighborhood, because who knows what kind of financing those new people have. For that reason, I'd be leary of living in some of the Pardee communities in Carmel Valley, as I suspect you have a lot of first time buyers who overstretched or overpaid or both (IE Carriage run, Saratoga, Derby Hills,etc).

 

As far as construction quality. I'd say it's a wash. Stucco boxes are stucco boxes wherever you may live.

That said, if raw sqft matter more to you, you'll definitely get more in 4s for the same money.

It's a really personal decision. I'd recommend you live in both places as a renter to figure out which you like better. You shouldn't feel like you're in a rush to buy right now anyway.

 

As far as people being superficial material etc. Well, a couple of things

1) We live in Southern CA. Duh!

2) If every american had the opportunity to flaunt wealth or perceived wealth, I would say most would do it. I recall a few people posted here about how superficial people in Temecula had become during the heydays of the real estate boom. Bimmers, fake you know whats, etc. There were people from Santee saying the same thing, and people from Otay Mesa saying the same thing. It doesn't matter what area you live in. When most americans "feel" rich, they'll let people know that. The only difference now versus before is that with the RE implosion, a lot of people who shouldn't have had access to so much liquidity got their sausages chopped off in the process. So you'll probably see a lot less flaunting in certain areas versus the other. When recession hits, I'm sure you'll see a decrease in the flaunting in CV too. However, certain areas like La Jolla Shores, Del Mar,etc, you'll still get the "look at me" type people. Oh well.

You want to see pretentious people, go to La Jolla Shores at night. Come on, the food is good down there, but not that good. Everyone thinks their dining like they live in NYC or SF.

 I've dined in pretty much every restaurant there for business. I sure as hell would never eat there on my own money personally.

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