Just seeing who this cash for Just seeing who this cash for clunker program is really going to help.
Diego Mamani
July 25, 2009 @
11:22 AM
My 2001 Mustang V6 is worth My 2001 Mustang V6 is worth more than the $4500… With only 57K miles and great shape it’s probably worth over $6K. It never gave me any problems whatsoever.
And no, I’m not buying a car for at least another 5-8 years. I service my car religiously, I pamper it, etc., so I should continue to be problem-free for a long time. Buying cars too often is really a dumb move, financially speaking.
Coronita
July 26, 2009 @
8:37 AM
bump…So as it stands with bump…So as it stands with 17people voting, this cash for clunker program really isn’t going to help too many people, as i sort of suspected.
svelte
July 26, 2009 @
8:58 AM
Since the charities had the Since the charities had the “18 MPG or under” clause put in there (to protect their stream of donations), it really limits what can be used.
It’s almost like the charities were saying even THEY don’t want the gas hogs…
jpinpb
July 26, 2009 @
9:55 AM
Anyone buying needs to act Anyone buying needs to act quickly. Program runs through Nov 1, 2009 or when the funds are exhausted, whichever comes first. CARS.
Also consumers should expect to conduct their deals at their dealership of choice, not on the Internet.
I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed. I’m right at 18 MPG city (26 hwy), so I’m not sure if I qualify (I voted I don’t qualify). But I wasn’t planning on buying a new car.
patientrenter
July 26, 2009 @
9:57 AM
“I don’t know how voracious “I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed.”
LoL! Nominated for understatement of the week. Thanks, jp.
Coronita
July 26, 2009 @
11:27 AM
jpinpb wrote:Anyone buying [quote=jpinpb]Anyone buying needs to act quickly. Program runs through Nov 1, 2009 or when the funds are exhausted, whichever comes first. CARS.
Also consumers should expect to conduct their deals at their dealership of choice, not on the Internet.
I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed. I’m right at 18 MPG city (26 hwy), so I’m not sure if I qualify (I voted I don’t qualify). But I wasn’t planning on buying a new car.[/quote]
I have a feeling it’s gonna get extended and opened up. As far as the “voracious of consumers piggs are”, I totally agree. But I think there lies the problem. The majority of the piggs are probably in a financial position to buy a new car, but choose not to. I’d say those other “voracious consumers” types that normally would buy a car, at this point in time can’t due to economic/money reasons…So, I’m wondering who this bill is really going to help, besides spending multi-millions on hiring people to administer this plan. I guess it sort of creates federal jobs 🙂 Anyway, this probably wasn’t money well spent imho to help the auto industry. Might as well just given $4500 to anyone wants to purchase a new car, and save on administration costs.
ifyousayso
July 26, 2009 @
10:14 AM
I already bought one but it I already bought one but it got worse gas milage than the car I already own.
meadandale
July 26, 2009 @
10:26 AM
My 2004 Ford F150 will be My 2004 Ford F150 will be paid off this winter. I will NOT be buying a new vehicle anytime soon. Now that I’m working from home pretty much every day, I’m putting hardly any miles on my car. A tank of gas lasts me 3-4 weeks.
Plus, I like having a truck when I need to go to Home Depot, when I go fishing or when I need to haul a load of crap to the dump. If I did anything, it would be buy a second car to drive around town but with the limited amount I’m driving now, something like a Prius doesn’t even make financial sense.
mixxalot
July 26, 2009 @
11:10 AM
My car on board computer
My car on board computer tells me that my 1996 BMW 328is gets an average of 20 mpg so I probably don’t qualify either. Anyhow, since I have no car payment and my car still runs fine even with 105k miles and I am currently unemployed there is no reason to buy a new car anyways. I betcha many folks are in the same boat! No, this car clunker bill is too little, too late for most people.
Coronita
July 26, 2009 @
3:43 PM
1 in 27…Wow…wonder what 1 in 27…Wow…wonder what the real stats will be like…
Coronita
July 27, 2009 @
7:18 AM
last bump…So i guess CARS last bump…So i guess CARS isn’t going to really help that many piggs… 🙂
dbapig
July 27, 2009 @
11:11 AM
I heard on radio of an I heard on radio of an interview by car salesguys. For the clunker program they expected more customers with bad credit (IMO aka low income) but what they are actually seeing are middle class with good credit of thrifty type (IMO aka older generation who remember the depression).
interesting.
Doofrat
July 28, 2009 @
10:29 AM
The depression?!? How can The depression?!? How can you remember something that hasn’t happened yet? Ohhhh…. you mean that other one… Got it.
peterb
July 28, 2009 @
10:35 AM
A recent article pointed out A recent article pointed out that the people taking advantage of this were going to be buying anyway. So it’s a bonus for them. It’s stimulating exactly nothing. Like all the other stimulus.
Anonymous
July 28, 2009 @
12:37 PM
I was going to retire my I was going to retire my ancient Infiniti Q45 in a month or two because it’s at an age where everything on it is starting to go all at once, and it’s an insanely complex car to diagnose. They didn’t use that engine much in the US, so the parts are harder to come by than the parts for something more common, like the Maxima/I-30 engine, and even some of the Infiniti dealerships no longer have guys who remember how to fix the Q.
This cash-for-clunkers program will just move my purchase ahead a few weeks, and get me a better value for my trade in with far less hassle.
We’re still refining our short list for the replacement, but so far there are no American nameplates on it. It is also possible that we will fall in love with something that’s not eligible for the C4C program like a Hyundai Genesis, which is one mile per gallon short of the 22 mpg that our replace car has to get (and that’s because my clunker is rated at 18, and you have to get something that’s at least 4 mpg better than your clunker).
So in my household this program has had no real marginal effect on our economic behavior, and we’ll end up with a German/Japanese/Swedish/Korean sedan. To all of you who will be paying U.S. taxes in future years including interst on the borrowed billion allocated to this program, my spouse and I say, “Thanks, Suckers!”
Coronita
July 28, 2009 @
10:55 PM
DriveByLurker wrote:To all of [quote=DriveByLurker]To all of you who will be paying U.S. taxes in future years including interst on the borrowed billion allocated to this program, my spouse and I say, “Thanks, Suckers!”[/quote]
Considering more than likely you’re a taxpayer too….Fvck you too 🙂
Just kidding….sort of… 🙂
sobmaz
July 28, 2009 @
6:46 PM
I would buy a new car, but my I would buy a new car, but my current car is worth about 8K, so how could it help me?
It seems the vast majority of people who are driving clunkers are driving them for a reason, specifially they can’t afford or don’t have decent credit to get a new car.
Ricechex
July 28, 2009 @
8:50 PM
I know one person that is I know one person that is going to use this program. She owns a 10 year old Isuzu Rodeo, 18 mpg, been on its last leg for quite some time. Middle class, but has only fair credit, due to a credit consolidation many moons ago. She intends to pull from her retirement to buy a mid size hatchback car. Someone else I know has an old Altima, needs a new car but will not qualify for this program. I bought a new car last year, but would not have qualified for this program with a 13 year old Mazda Protege. So, I too, wonder how many will actually meet the eligibility requirements.
Oh, did anyone hear the NPR story on the German “Cash for Clunkers” program? Apparently, they had no mileage requirement, and the Germans went out and bought tons of new cars. The used car market and scrap metal market tanked, and many of the used cars were just fine. Now, they are just filling up landfills.
rnen
July 29, 2009 @
6:01 AM
Another absolutely retarded Another absolutely retarded program from this administration. Did any of those brainiacs calculate the carbon footprint of producing a new vehicle vs using the “clunker” to its average age?
I have come to the conclusion that the only way I am not going to continually get f..ked by this misguided special interest pandering pack of morons is to take advantage of anything I can because as an actual TAX PAYER I am going to carry the load with all the rest of the tax payers in this fine country.
I would like to thank all the rest of you tax payers, on behalf of Obama, Pelosie, Ried and the rest of the idiots involved in this program for giving me $4500 for a truck worth $500 so that I may save 2-3 miles per gallon, polar bears, the ice pack and most importantly…. add credability to one of the biggest con artists of all time, Al Gore.
I will think of all of you as I drive around with my a/c blasting listening to NPR.
bsrsharma
July 29, 2009 @
8:43 AM
A new car for $5,550? More A new car for $5,550? More automakers throwing their own cash into ‘clunkers’ deals
…Kia is advertising $3,500 of its own cash in addition to the government’s $4,500 clunker money for buyers of the Spectra sedan. Since the car lists for $13,550, it figures between the two incentive pots that buyers could leave the lot with a new car for a net price of only $5,550.
Better deal than my Vibe! But Hey, I have automatic & A/C (and a Toyota transmission)
Nor-LA-SD-guy
July 29, 2009 @
6:11 PM
They coned off a third of our
They coned off a third of our company parking lot and leased it to the BMW dealer just down the freeway, it’s full of brand new 328i’s , the window sticker list price is 45-50K,
Driving by the dealer, their lot is overflowing with new cars.
If they offer them to us at 50% off sticker then maybe, but I don’t think that is likely this year so I had to vote no I do not plan to buy this year.
Coronita
July 29, 2009 @
9:05 PM
Nor-LA-SD-guy wrote:They [quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]They coned off a third of our company parking lot and leased it to the BMW dealer just down the freeway, it’s full of brand new 328i’s , the window sticker list price is 45-50K,
Driving by the dealer, their lot is overflowing with new cars.
If they offer them to us at 50% off sticker then maybe, but I don’t think that is likely this year so I had to vote no I do not plan to buy this year.[/quote]
The $4500 off a 335diesel is a real deal. And of you qualify for CARS anothe $4500 puts this 260hp/400+ftlb torque in the mid thirties well equip…Stripped, it’s even cheaper. Plus you get a $900 diesel fuel credit on your taxes.
Stripped 328 sedans stick or autos are around $33,000. With CARS, you’d be able to get it in the twenties…Unfrickin believable if you ask me.
July 25, 2009 @ 10:42 AM
Just seeing who this cash for
Just seeing who this cash for clunker program is really going to help.
July 25, 2009 @ 11:22 AM
My 2001 Mustang V6 is worth
My 2001 Mustang V6 is worth more than the $4500… With only 57K miles and great shape it’s probably worth over $6K. It never gave me any problems whatsoever.
And no, I’m not buying a car for at least another 5-8 years. I service my car religiously, I pamper it, etc., so I should continue to be problem-free for a long time. Buying cars too often is really a dumb move, financially speaking.
July 26, 2009 @ 8:37 AM
bump…So as it stands with
bump…So as it stands with 17people voting, this cash for clunker program really isn’t going to help too many people, as i sort of suspected.
July 26, 2009 @ 8:58 AM
Since the charities had the
Since the charities had the “18 MPG or under” clause put in there (to protect their stream of donations), it really limits what can be used.
It’s almost like the charities were saying even THEY don’t want the gas hogs…
July 26, 2009 @ 9:55 AM
Anyone buying needs to act
Anyone buying needs to act quickly. Program runs through Nov 1, 2009 or when the funds are exhausted, whichever comes first. CARS.
Also consumers should expect to conduct their deals at their dealership of choice, not on the Internet.
I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed. I’m right at 18 MPG city (26 hwy), so I’m not sure if I qualify (I voted I don’t qualify). But I wasn’t planning on buying a new car.
July 26, 2009 @ 9:57 AM
“I don’t know how voracious
“I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed.”
LoL! Nominated for understatement of the week. Thanks, jp.
July 26, 2009 @ 11:27 AM
jpinpb wrote:Anyone buying
[quote=jpinpb]Anyone buying needs to act quickly. Program runs through Nov 1, 2009 or when the funds are exhausted, whichever comes first. CARS.
Also consumers should expect to conduct their deals at their dealership of choice, not on the Internet.
I don’t know how voracious of consumers Piggs are, so this survey could be a little skewed. I’m right at 18 MPG city (26 hwy), so I’m not sure if I qualify (I voted I don’t qualify). But I wasn’t planning on buying a new car.[/quote]
I have a feeling it’s gonna get extended and opened up. As far as the “voracious of consumers piggs are”, I totally agree. But I think there lies the problem. The majority of the piggs are probably in a financial position to buy a new car, but choose not to. I’d say those other “voracious consumers” types that normally would buy a car, at this point in time can’t due to economic/money reasons…So, I’m wondering who this bill is really going to help, besides spending multi-millions on hiring people to administer this plan. I guess it sort of creates federal jobs 🙂 Anyway, this probably wasn’t money well spent imho to help the auto industry. Might as well just given $4500 to anyone wants to purchase a new car, and save on administration costs.
July 26, 2009 @ 10:14 AM
I already bought one but it
I already bought one but it got worse gas milage than the car I already own.
July 26, 2009 @ 10:26 AM
My 2004 Ford F150 will be
My 2004 Ford F150 will be paid off this winter. I will NOT be buying a new vehicle anytime soon. Now that I’m working from home pretty much every day, I’m putting hardly any miles on my car. A tank of gas lasts me 3-4 weeks.
Plus, I like having a truck when I need to go to Home Depot, when I go fishing or when I need to haul a load of crap to the dump. If I did anything, it would be buy a second car to drive around town but with the limited amount I’m driving now, something like a Prius doesn’t even make financial sense.
July 26, 2009 @ 11:10 AM
My car on board computer
My car on board computer tells me that my 1996 BMW 328is gets an average of 20 mpg so I probably don’t qualify either. Anyhow, since I have no car payment and my car still runs fine even with 105k miles and I am currently unemployed there is no reason to buy a new car anyways. I betcha many folks are in the same boat! No, this car clunker bill is too little, too late for most people.
July 26, 2009 @ 3:43 PM
1 in 27…Wow…wonder what
1 in 27…Wow…wonder what the real stats will be like…
July 27, 2009 @ 7:18 AM
last bump…So i guess CARS
last bump…So i guess CARS isn’t going to really help that many piggs… 🙂
July 27, 2009 @ 11:11 AM
I heard on radio of an
I heard on radio of an interview by car salesguys. For the clunker program they expected more customers with bad credit (IMO aka low income) but what they are actually seeing are middle class with good credit of thrifty type (IMO aka older generation who remember the depression).
interesting.
July 28, 2009 @ 10:29 AM
The depression?!? How can
The depression?!? How can you remember something that hasn’t happened yet? Ohhhh…. you mean that other one… Got it.
July 28, 2009 @ 10:35 AM
A recent article pointed out
A recent article pointed out that the people taking advantage of this were going to be buying anyway. So it’s a bonus for them. It’s stimulating exactly nothing. Like all the other stimulus.
July 28, 2009 @ 12:37 PM
I was going to retire my
I was going to retire my ancient Infiniti Q45 in a month or two because it’s at an age where everything on it is starting to go all at once, and it’s an insanely complex car to diagnose. They didn’t use that engine much in the US, so the parts are harder to come by than the parts for something more common, like the Maxima/I-30 engine, and even some of the Infiniti dealerships no longer have guys who remember how to fix the Q.
This cash-for-clunkers program will just move my purchase ahead a few weeks, and get me a better value for my trade in with far less hassle.
We’re still refining our short list for the replacement, but so far there are no American nameplates on it. It is also possible that we will fall in love with something that’s not eligible for the C4C program like a Hyundai Genesis, which is one mile per gallon short of the 22 mpg that our replace car has to get (and that’s because my clunker is rated at 18, and you have to get something that’s at least 4 mpg better than your clunker).
So in my household this program has had no real marginal effect on our economic behavior, and we’ll end up with a German/Japanese/Swedish/Korean sedan. To all of you who will be paying U.S. taxes in future years including interst on the borrowed billion allocated to this program, my spouse and I say, “Thanks, Suckers!”
July 28, 2009 @ 10:55 PM
DriveByLurker wrote:To all of
[quote=DriveByLurker]To all of you who will be paying U.S. taxes in future years including interst on the borrowed billion allocated to this program, my spouse and I say, “Thanks, Suckers!”[/quote]
Considering more than likely you’re a taxpayer too….Fvck you too 🙂
Just kidding….sort of… 🙂
July 28, 2009 @ 6:46 PM
I would buy a new car, but my
I would buy a new car, but my current car is worth about 8K, so how could it help me?
It seems the vast majority of people who are driving clunkers are driving them for a reason, specifially they can’t afford or don’t have decent credit to get a new car.
July 28, 2009 @ 8:50 PM
I know one person that is
I know one person that is going to use this program. She owns a 10 year old Isuzu Rodeo, 18 mpg, been on its last leg for quite some time. Middle class, but has only fair credit, due to a credit consolidation many moons ago. She intends to pull from her retirement to buy a mid size hatchback car. Someone else I know has an old Altima, needs a new car but will not qualify for this program. I bought a new car last year, but would not have qualified for this program with a 13 year old Mazda Protege. So, I too, wonder how many will actually meet the eligibility requirements.
Oh, did anyone hear the NPR story on the German “Cash for Clunkers” program? Apparently, they had no mileage requirement, and the Germans went out and bought tons of new cars. The used car market and scrap metal market tanked, and many of the used cars were just fine. Now, they are just filling up landfills.
July 29, 2009 @ 6:01 AM
Another absolutely retarded
Another absolutely retarded program from this administration. Did any of those brainiacs calculate the carbon footprint of producing a new vehicle vs using the “clunker” to its average age?
I have come to the conclusion that the only way I am not going to continually get f..ked by this misguided special interest pandering pack of morons is to take advantage of anything I can because as an actual TAX PAYER I am going to carry the load with all the rest of the tax payers in this fine country.
I would like to thank all the rest of you tax payers, on behalf of Obama, Pelosie, Ried and the rest of the idiots involved in this program for giving me $4500 for a truck worth $500 so that I may save 2-3 miles per gallon, polar bears, the ice pack and most importantly…. add credability to one of the biggest con artists of all time, Al Gore.
I will think of all of you as I drive around with my a/c blasting listening to NPR.
July 29, 2009 @ 8:43 AM
A new car for $5,550? More
A new car for $5,550? More automakers throwing their own cash into ‘clunkers’ deals
…Kia is advertising $3,500 of its own cash in addition to the government’s $4,500 clunker money for buyers of the Spectra sedan. Since the car lists for $13,550, it figures between the two incentive pots that buyers could leave the lot with a new car for a net price of only $5,550.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2009/07/68495534/1
Better deal than my Vibe! But Hey, I have automatic & A/C (and a Toyota transmission)
July 29, 2009 @ 6:11 PM
They coned off a third of our
They coned off a third of our company parking lot and leased it to the BMW dealer just down the freeway, it’s full of brand new 328i’s , the window sticker list price is 45-50K,
Driving by the dealer, their lot is overflowing with new cars.
If they offer them to us at 50% off sticker then maybe, but I don’t think that is likely this year so I had to vote no I do not plan to buy this year.
July 29, 2009 @ 9:05 PM
Nor-LA-SD-guy wrote:They
[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]They coned off a third of our company parking lot and leased it to the BMW dealer just down the freeway, it’s full of brand new 328i’s , the window sticker list price is 45-50K,
Driving by the dealer, their lot is overflowing with new cars.
If they offer them to us at 50% off sticker then maybe, but I don’t think that is likely this year so I had to vote no I do not plan to buy this year.[/quote]
The $4500 off a 335diesel is a real deal. And of you qualify for CARS anothe $4500 puts this 260hp/400+ftlb torque in the mid thirties well equip…Stripped, it’s even cheaper. Plus you get a $900 diesel fuel credit on your taxes.
Stripped 328 sedans stick or autos are around $33,000. With CARS, you’d be able to get it in the twenties…Unfrickin believable if you ask me.