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  1. carlsbadworker
    December 3, 2011 @ 8:50 PM

    Sweet. So with all the shadow
    Sweet. So with all the shadow inventory, they still couldn’t stop the inevitable?

    By the way, does anyone know if Rancho Carillo in Carlsbad is a good location? I am starting to think about moving back to Carlsbad as I originally planned, given there now seems to be many below $200/sqft home in those area.

  2. CAwireman
    December 4, 2011 @ 8:15 AM

    Rich,
    This is pretty big

    Rich,

    This is pretty big news. Hitting a new low – now talk on when we’ll hit bottom will pick up again. Many, including me, thought it was behind us.

    • sdrealtor
      December 4, 2011 @ 10:42 AM

      Rich
      Hate to be needy but

      Rich
      Hate to be needy but when you do these could you try to include one long term graph? Its nice to be able to see where we are relative to the long term trends.

      thx

      sdr

      • Rich Toscano
        December 4, 2011 @ 10:49 AM

        Just for you, sdr πŸ˜‰

        Soon I
        Just for you, sdr πŸ˜‰

        Soon I will update the long term price to income and price to rent charts, which I think give the best read on where we are valuation wise. Soon!

      • sdrealtor
        December 4, 2011 @ 10:59 AM

        Thanx Rich!!! You are the
        Thanx Rich!!! You are the best!!

        We look dangerously close in aggregate to that 0% gridline. As I expect an extended period of home price stagnancy and general CPI inflation we should cross it. Wonder when we will?

      • TexasLine
        December 4, 2011 @ 10:40 PM

        Rich Toscano wrote:Just for
        [quote=Rich Toscano]Just for you, sdr πŸ˜‰

        Soon I will update the long term price to income and price to rent charts, which I think give the best read on where we are valuation wise. Soon![/quote]

        I’ve been also wondering about the way the longer term data might look. For the last year I thought a graph like this would be interesting. Thanks for posting that. It is very interesting.

      • urbanrealtor
        December 4, 2011 @ 11:57 PM

        Rich Toscano wrote:Just for
        [quote=Rich Toscano]Just for you, sdr πŸ˜‰

        Soon I will update the long term price to income and price to rent charts, which I think give the best read on where we are valuation wise. Soon![/quote]

        That is a fucking grim graph.
        Or awesome if you are me.

        Still

        Wow.

      • an
        December 5, 2011 @ 12:00 AM

        Rich, can you also update the
        Rich, can you also update the shambling toward affordability graphs?

      • Rich Toscano
        December 5, 2011 @ 9:38 AM

        AN wrote:Rich, can you also
        [quote=AN]Rich, can you also update the shambling toward affordability graphs?[/quote]

        Soon… very soon. (In theory).

      • an
        December 5, 2011 @ 10:24 AM

        Rich Toscano wrote:AN
        [quote=Rich Toscano][quote=AN]Rich, can you also update the shambling toward affordability graphs?[/quote]

        Soon… very soon. (In theory).[/quote]
        Love it :-). Thanks Rich.

      • systemBuilder
        December 5, 2011 @ 6:52 PM

        low-tier homes used as an
        low-tier homes used as an investment vehicle might be causing their prices to outperform the mid-tier and high-tier homes since the march 2009 low (on the 1989-present home price graph.)

      • barnaby33
        December 29, 2011 @ 8:54 AM

        When will then be now?
        When will then be now? Soooon…..

      • barnaby33
        December 29, 2011 @ 8:54 AM

        Why grim? Oh and answer your
        Why grim? Oh and answer your PMs dammit.
        Josh

  3. Jazzman
    December 6, 2011 @ 11:12 AM

    LA’s biggest declines were in
    LA’s biggest declines were in the high tier (-1.1%) which is where you’d expect them to be. It is a hefty slice, and if that continues into Oct and Nov, we are back to pre-tax credit momentum.

    Interestingly, but not surprisingly Corelogic has home prices down 1.3% in October http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/12/corelogic-house-price-index-declined-13.html

    Golman Sachs predicts a recovery in 2012 and bases current declines on vacancy rates http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/12/05/779561/missing-piece-of-the-puzzle-us-housing-to-bottom-in-2012/

    The inventory/demand ratio probably varies wildly across the country and within sub-markets. I am amazed at how willing some buyers are to part with their money. “$800k still only buys a shack” was how a hotel manager described to me the market in Carmel (Monterey) recently. High end foreclosures still appear to be only trickling into listings in some areas, notably Santa Barbara, creating the illusion of demand and supply equilibrium. Rates may be driving some markets, but a residue of bubble mentality remains in evidence.

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