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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=SK in CV][quote=zk]
And if the revenge thing is true, that’s disgusting also. Revenge for suing her for stealing from them? Bitch.[/quote]What if it is revenge. For suing her. But she didn’t steal a thing, and everything she has, he gave her? I think that’s just as likely.[/quote]
I didn’t really follow the story. Sterling’s wife is suing Stiviano for things Sterling gave away to his GF?
I will defend Stiviano, the GF. The wife is the real bitch here.
I think once given, it’s gone and no longer yours. Whatever Sterling gave to his GF is now hers.[/quote]
Yeah, if he gave it to her. Which it’s starting to look like he did. I think the claim (by the wife or whoever was suing her) was that she had embezzled it. But that doesn’t really make sense now that I think about it.
Participant[quote=flu]disgusting yes… but equally disgusting is his mistress.
[/quote]I guess there’s kind of a gray area between not prostitute and prostitute. I mean, if you marry guy A because he’s got a better paying, more secure job than guy B (who you like/love more, and who only doesn’t have as good a job as guy A because of bad luck), you’re not a prostitute, in my opinion. There’s a spectrum on the money/sex issue from there to direct and negotiated compensation for sex.
Marrying a billionaire who’s 50 years older than you and racist (and you’re black/Mexican) pretty much puts you in the prostitute camp, in my opinion.
Not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with prostitutes. But that’s what she is, in my opinion.
Allegedly she’s a thief, also. Now that is disgusting.
And if the revenge thing is true, that’s disgusting also. Revenge for suing her for stealing from them? Bitch.
ParticipantTaking on that much debt would be a pain. But that pain would be dwarfed by the pain you’d eventually be subject to by taking on a spouse with marginal (or worse) character, along with clearly bad in-laws.
I’m not saying she has bad character. I’m saying it’s certainly possible, and that I’d be way more worried about that than about the money.
Obviously I don’t know any more about it than what I’ve read here, but “I didn’t know” sounds like bs from where I’m sitting.
Even if she didn’t know, it seems like she should have. My guess is that she’s know for a long time that her mom’s a scammer, but either went along because she (your ex or fiancee or whatever she is) is also a scammer or because she was too weak to stand up to pressure from her mom. Either way, not marriage material.
Participant[quote=flyer]just normal life to me.[/quote]
I can see it now. flyer’s in line at the grocery store. “would you like to donate a dollar to the march of dimes?”
Sure! How about a thousand dollars? I’ve got millions, you see. And I’ve given hundreds of thousands to help the needy. Because that’s what I’m all about. And have you seen any good movies lately? Because my wife is a film exec, and we might have made that movie. Do you have kids? I do, and they’re exceptional people. But they don’t have to work if they don’t want to. We’ve taken care of that. And we’re going to help our grandkids, too. Where do you live? I live in Rancho Santa Fe. I can see you’re a lowly checker. You must be delusional. I’m an airline pilot. Air traffic controllers think I’m stupid, but everybody else is impressed by that.
Yup, that’s not bragging, just normal life for flyer.
Participant[quote=flyer]Our kids didn’t even know what we had planned for them until they were on track with school and careers, so they are extremely solid people.
Since money has no value that we know of after this life, we thought we might as well share it and make the most of it while we’re here.[/quote]
This is getting to be like the old Monty Python skit about deja vu
Participant[quote=flyer]Since (as scaredy also mentioned) we’ve pretty much been financially set for years with the home and lifestyle we want, retirement, etc.–the only interest we have in creating more wealth is for our kids, and, eventually, grandchildren, as well as helping others.
Although all of our kids are doing well on their own, we want them to be able to do whatever they wish in life with a great sense of freedom, and no financial concerns. I know many people won’t agree with this, but it’s our choice. It makes us happy to know they’ll never have to worry about money.[/quote]
I get the strangest sense of deja vu when I read this post. Like I’ve read these same brags many, many times before.
Participant[quote=flyer]We all have different opinions about life and death. Nothing will change my mind concerning my beliefs, and I know the same can be said for those who hold different beliefs. Perhaps we’ll each find out who was “right” someday, maybe not.
In the meantime, one thing we all know for sure, is that each passing moment brings us closer to the end of our mortality, and there is nothing we can do to stop it–so enjoy![/quote]
That all makes sense.
I wouldn’t say, though, that nothing would change my beliefs (and, for the record, I was never trying to change your beliefs).
If I saw sufficient evidence that contradicted what I believe, I would change my beliefs.
Participant[quote=flyer]I can explain my beliefs, but I’m just not a guy who likes to argue about something for which we can come to no resolution–regardless of how long we banter back and forth–days, weeks, months, years??
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Translation: I can explain my beliefs, but only to someone who’s not much of a critical thinker. Someone who believes what I say without giving it much thought. Someone who can’t come up with a logical counterpoint to all the bs I try to make fly.I understand that your beliefs are irrational. All faith, by definition, is. But if you try to call it rational or when you try to call the perfectly rational beliefs of hard-working people “delusional,” I’m going to point out the flaws in your reasoning.
But, hey, you didn’t brag in that last post. That’s progress. Kudos.
Participant[quote=flyer]No. Not at all. Not even close. I’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars helping people like “Jimbob” and his family build a better life, but I’m not willing to go any further with this discussion. These topics have been discussed for centuries, without arriving at a definitive answer.
I’m secure in what I “believe” to be true, and no one will ever change that, and I’m sure you feel the same.
Enjoy your life, and I’ll enjoy mine.[/quote]Well, that’s kinda funny. You say “not even close,” but you can’t really explain how that wasn’t what you were saying. You just stick yet another brag in there and call it a day. Well played.
Participant[quote=flyer]My comments were not intended as a judgment call or as a gospel.
Simply citing some documentable “real world” examples of the financial “belief system” by which millions of people live their lives. These beliefs and practices could be construed as equally as fantastical, ridiculous and delusional as some consider religious “belief systems” to be.[/quote]
Jimbob Smith grows up in a trailer in Kentucky with poor parents and an 95 IQ. He doesn’t have a sparkling personality or any real entrepreneurial skills. A pretty typical guy, really. Maybe not in your neighborhood, flyer, but there are millions like him. He finishes high school, gets a job at a machine shop, works there 45 years, has 3 kids, and has to scrape by in retirement. And he doesn’t have as much money as you because he’s delusional, right? And his delusion that years of hard work is his best chance at raising a family is comparable to believing that an omnipotent, anthropomorphic father figure created and rules the universe and will, while sometimes killing your children, give you eternal life if you worship him but won’t give hindus or muslims or atheists the same thing because they don’t worship him (to pick nowhere near the most bizarre religious belief)? Is that what you’re saying?
Participant[quote=flyer]It’s interesting to note that many people are “led by the nose” through life in many ways other than religion.
Millions “buy into” having to work for 30+ years, rather than realzing there are more efficient ways to make money over a shorter period of time, so they can truly enjoy life.
Some take jobs they can’t stand for decades, and try to make themselves believe it’s OK. Millions overextend themselves financially to the point of destruction. Millions spend everything they have and wonder why they can’t afford to retire, and on and on.
It’s certainly true that humans are capable of many forms of delusion.[/quote]
Oh, I see. So the key to making the millions you’re always bragging about is just to “realize” that there are more efficient ways to make money? And anybody can do this? And the ones who don’t do this don’t do it because they’re suffering from a delusion? Do I have that right?
ParticipantI don’t believe in bragging about being a millionaire, or bragging in general. Does that crush you?
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
zk: In a previous post, you asserted that ALL religions were a “fantasy”. Not SOME or CERTAIN, but ALL. That’s a dogmatic assertion. Interestingly, as someone who believes in empiricism and observable phenomena, that’s a position you cannot PROVE. [/quote]
Forgive me for not saying, “in my opinion.” I didn’t really think it was necessary to say that.
In my opinion, ALL religions are a fantasy. Just because ALL religions are included does not make that statement dogmatic.[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Here’s the point I was trying to make: Faith and Reason are not incompatible. You referenced astronomy (spherical Earth) and microbiology (bacteria) in a previous post. Some of the greatest research in those areas has been performed by people of faith. Did their faith or beliefs get in the way of their research? It doesn’t appear so. If you were to remove the body of work from just the Catholic scientists, researchers, doctors, etc, you would take away a staggering amount from science. [/quote]
If, by your statement that faith and reason are not incompatible, you mean that many people of faith are great scientists, and that people of faith can also be reasonable (about other things than their faith), then of course I agree. I don’t think I said or implied otherwise. If you mean that faith is reasonable, then I don’t agree.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=zk][quote=flyer]I find it amusing that “nonbelievers” think their opinion is more valid than “believers.”
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Not more valid necessarily, but definitely more rational.[/quote]
zk: So, you’re arguing AGAINST dogmatism, by USING dogmatism?[/quote]
No. I’m not saying that my position is incontrovertibly true (dogmatism).
I’m saying that my position is rational. Completely different from incontrovertibly true.
Rational means based on or in accordance with reason or logic. I have used reason and logic to arrive at my conclusion. Faith, by definition, does not use these things to reach a conclusion.
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