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Participant[quote=krowe] It’s even difficult for my behavior to be understandable unless you experienced the circumstances I did which were the underlying cause of my actions.
[/quote][quote=krowe] I am struggling to understand if it’s simply retribution or some other reason that you believe I deserve jail.[/quote]
The reason you don’t understand why we think you deserve jail is that you haven’t taken responsibility for your crimes. Sure, you say you’re sorry and you apologized and you feel bad. But then you say “the circumstances…were the underlying cause of my actions.”
The underlying cause of your actions is not “the circumstances.” The underlying cause of your actions is that you are malevolent, lacking in conscience, and unable to control your impulses. Those things are evidenced by your actions (your words mean nothing), and make you a danger to society.
That’s why you belong in jail. That plus what njtosd said.
If it was up to me, you’d be there for a very long time. It’s only by luck that nothing really bad happened, and you don’t deserve credit for that luck. As I said previously, if it was my daughter and something bad happened, you’d get worse than life in prison.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=krowe] ….. If it won’t benefit me or society, I am struggling to understand if it’s simply retribution or some other reason that you believe I deserve jail.[/quote]
Retribution is one of the legal bases for the criminal justice system. Those who harm the fabric of society should pay a price. There are probably quite a few potential home buyers out there that now have the added worry of criminal retribution from people like you. Deterrence is also important – if someone else heard of what you did (if you are indeed krowe) and found that you had been given a slap on the wrist they might be encouraged to do the same. Society does benefit – predictable consequences for actions (good or bad) reinforce civilized society. You could have chosen to address your mental instability (which doesn’t just go away) but instead allowed it to worsen and cause significant harm to others. Next time you feel your mental moorings getting stretched, your memory of time in jail will encourage you to deal with the problem before someone else gets hurt.[/quote]
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Participant[quote=joec]Article in UT about this today:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/18/tp-rape-ad-case-moves-forward/%5B/quote%5DGlad to hear the case is moving forward. I think her actions were extremely serious. If she pulled that “prank” on my daughter and something bad happened, there wouldn’t be a defendant left to try.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]It’s DNA. maybe 50/50 parenting.
I know kids who are rude little monsters despite their parents.
2 other kids I know are the best, fun, smart, almost adults. Not a lot of parenting. Mom is a single mom sorta like hippie type mom who’s a liberal arts professor. They were poor. The kids grew up in apartments when mom was a grad student, writing her thesis, etc…
Dad is a nice guy but lives on the other side of the country. A photographer.[/quote]
Dang, I’m going to have to agree with Brian on this one. Scaredy, from the sound of it (your posts in other threads about your family/parenting), you are a great father. Part of the reason you’re a great father is your DNA. And some, probably a lot, maybe most of why (in my opinion) your kids are great is their DNA. With minimal parenting, they probably would’ve been very solid kids. Maybe your great parenting moved them past that into great kids. But maybe (almost certainly, if you ask me), if you adopted some kid with lousy DNA, you would’ve had vastly different results.
Identical twins raised apart are generally amazingly similar in personality. Adopted siblings with no shared DNA are generally markedly different. So many important personality traits have a genetic composition. You’re not necessarily exactly who you’re going to be when you’re born. But I don’t think you’ll be led by your parents too far from where your genes will naturally take you.
Now, if you beat or abuse your kids, that might be different. But, short of that, I think genetics will determine your personality (traits like confident, poised, deeply thoughtful, really good at self control,even as teenagers very attuned to others, capable of powerful connections with others) more than upbringing.
I don’t think this takes anything away from your parenting, scaredy. Your kids probably had a somewhat happier childhood than they would’ve with an ordinary parent. And that counts for a lot. It will probably will make them happier as adults. But I don’t think it’ll change their personality much.
Either way, whether it’s you or your genes that made them the way they are, your kids are very lucky.
July 9, 2014 at 10:18 PM in reply to: OT: Californian’s laugh as Man Attacked by Shark – Video #776350Participant[quote=paramount]Ok, there may be a very slight chance those in the video are not Native Californian’s – but judging from their actions (laughing as man attacked by Great White) I do believe they are:
(I strongly suggest watching the entire video)[/quote]
Having not seen a reasonable answer from you on any subject ever, I doubt I’ll get one now. But I am curious how you get from
they’re laughing as a shark swims near a swimmer
to
I believe they’re native Californians.Participant.
Participant[quote=paramount][quote=CA renter]It’s the hypocrisy that I find amusing. He thinks people should have freedom of thought, but only if other people’s thoughts are the same as his.[/quote]
BS – that’s not what I think or said – I think.
I merely made an observation and offered an example.
As far as disliking/hating children – give me a break – these are the a holes sitting on a pedestal who like to sneer and judge parents and look at kids as nothing more than an annoyance. The vast majority (if not all) of these people are 100% POS a holes IMO.
Why do people hate kids? The example I often hear: they were at a restaurant kids were making noise bla bla bla. BFD!
Most of the miserable a holes complaining about kids in the restaurant are worse than the kids. Quit your damn whining.
At one point in your life you weren’t a screaming little kid? Oh no, that’s right, I forgot – you’re all perfect.
People suck, period…no, adults suck.
Not wanting to have kids and just plain hating kids are two different things.
As for those who hate kids I hope they don’t have any – humanity needs you out of the gene pool.
Now I will admit that there are many a hole parents who raise a hole kids IMO. Oh well.
I have never heard of anyone say: I hate kids and then not act on that hatred in one way or another.
They will; they absolutely will.
No double standard here.[/quote]
Good god. Where to even start. I guess I’ll ignore the anger and the stupidity and the arrogance and the passive-aggressiveness (although I’ll be happy to point those out, too, if you want, paramount) and go right for the hypocrisy.
You have a gift for hypocrisy, paramount. It’s truly amazing.
Your two posts that I originally responded to were hypocritical in a hilariously concise fashion. Two brief, consecutive posts that displayed such hypocrisy.
Here’s another gem of concise hypocrisy:
[quote=paramount]
As far as disliking/hating children – give me a break – these are the a holes sitting on a pedestal who like to sneer and judge parents and look at kids as nothing more than an annoyance. The vast majority (if not all) of these people are 100% POS a holes IMO.[/quote]You condemn people for sneering and being judgmental while you yourself are sneering and being judgmental! In the very same sentence! It’s sad that you don’t see it, but it’s hilarious that you do it so cleanly. So quickly. Like a master chef butchering a fish. A flashing of knives and a flurry of chops and, faster than you can really fathom, there’s a masterpiece of fish fillets ready to throw on the grill. No wasted motion or effort. Amazing.
ParticipantHeartiest conratulations, CDMA.
Life’s full of tradeoffs. We make them all day, every day. The biggest one we ever make is having kids. You give up a whole world of things. And, in return, you get a different whole world of things. I guess for some people, it’s not worth it. For me, it’s the best tradeoff I ever made.
In retrospect, I feel like previously my entire life, as fun as it was, was like a little tea party at a little toy tea set with tiny chairs and a tiny table. When I had my daughter, I looked up, and right there in front of me was a redwood tree. I was a bit stunned and maybe bewildered and I had to crane my neck to see the top of it. That tree was part of me and part of my wife and part of our daughter. But mostly it was my love for my daughter and an appreciation of how important I would be to her. It was hard to believe something so big was part of me. But it is. And it makes me very happy.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Stop being lazy and make up your bed.
I know so many who don’t make up their beds in the morning. Does having kids produce better lifestyle habits?[/quote]Oh, my god, they don’t make their beds in the morning? Heathens! Their kids will be scarred forever. They shouldn’t’ve had kids if they were going to be like that. That’s too important.
Participant[quote=paramount][quote=zk]
They should be ostracized and have their heads examined for their freedom of thought?[/quote]
That’s called hatred and discrimination – not freedom of thought.
It’s one thing to have freedom of thought, quite another to put thought into action.[/quote]
Not liking kids is hatred and discrimination? And asking your girlfriend not to bring black people to your business is not?
What actions are you talking about?
Participant[quote=paramount]The real taboo: Freedom of Thought.
ie. Donald Sterling[/quote]
[quote=paramount]
And as well they should be (ostracized), anyone who just generally doesn’t like kids just for being kids needs their head examined.[/quote]They should be ostracized and have their heads examined for their freedom of thought?
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic] i never knew what my dad made. recently my mom said he never earned over a certain amount. she gave me a limit to work off of. i would have thought hed earned more than that.
it’s difficult to remember with inflation what certain amounts even mean.[/quote]
My mom once (when I was in 7th grade) implied that my dad made x dollars a year. Having snooped into his filing cabinet and seen his tax returns, I knew that the real number was about 8x. Mom was generally truthful to a fault, but for some reason she felt the need to mislead me about that.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
. in fact, ignore everything i said….except for the disclaimer[/quote]
I guess it was pre law, then.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
theres no time for that. you need to get on the plane this weekend.[/quote]Better listen to him, Flounder. I mean Brian. He was pre-med. Or was it pre-law?
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