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[quote=livinincali]
The CDC itself doesn’t believe in face masks preventing anything.[/quote]
That article said masks don’t necessarily slow the spread of influenza, not that they don’t slow the spread of “anything.” This coronavirus and the flu are not the same thing and they don’t spread exactly the same way. Here are the CDC’s recommendations regarding coronavirus and facemasks:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
It says we should be wearing masks in public.
[quote=livinincali]
Bottom line Covid ain’t going away and a vaccine is unlikely to work. It’s probably time to just live with it and let the cards fall where they may. [/quote]A vaccine is unlikely to work? Where are you getting that from?
zkParticipant[quote=barnaby33]
What makes you so convinced that a vaccine won’t happen?
Good question! I have two points to make as an answer. First how many viruses have we cured? The answer is very few, almost zero.
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I asked about a vaccine and you answered about a cure. Not the same thing.The reasons involve biology and, to a lesser extent, money. Drug companies have developed treatments for a handful of viruses in the last few decades, such as HIV and the flu, but the arsenal is minimal when compared with all the antibiotics we have for treating bacteria. Remember that viruses are not bacteria, so antibiotics are no help.
The main difficulty is that viruses are technically not alive, instead depending on the “machinery” inside human cells to reproduce, said Zachary A. Klase, associate professor of biology at the University of the Sciences. So a drug that targets any part of that parasitic cycle could harm the patient in the process.
“You want something that targets the sickness and not you,” he said. “You need to look for the special things that only the virus is doing.”
More talk about treatments and cures. Not the same thing.
[quote=barnaby33]Second is that even if a researcher today identified exactly how to block transmission or reproduction of the virus it takes a long time to weaponize it. Only in movies and even then needing a montage, is a cure or a weapon developed in short order. It takes a long time, measured in years to produce, distribute and administer a treatment or cure. Given those two data points alone it would be nothing short of the second coming of Jeebus if a cure arrived before herd immunity. It’s not impossible it’s just not probable.
[/quote]It does generally take years. But the process can be expedited to some degree, and it will be if the situation is urgent enough. Which this situation is. Also, new technologies are showing promise for faster vaccine development, although clinical trials will require time regardless of technology. Running clinical trials in parallel is expensive, but saves time. In this case there are quite a few being run at the same time.
Some of the more important viruses for which we have developed a vaccine:
Polio
Smallpox
Rubella
Measles
Rotavirus
ChickenpoxzkParticipant[quote=barnaby33]We’re all going to get this, full stop. Herd immunity is the only known cure. I hate to sound like a dick as I have no wish for anyone to be ill. However with no cure and no real treatment on the horizon the absolute best we can hope for is to keep our hospital system and most vulnerable protected while the rest of us get it.
Think I’m wrong, great! Show me the path to a cure, please!
That being said, any region with 98.7% of it’s ICU full should be locked back down and hard.
Josh[/quote]What makes you so convinced that a vaccine won’t happen?
zkParticipantLove to.
zkParticipant[quote=sdrealtor]No one here is promoting trump. Brian is gone. Who here is pro trump? If you are still trying to argue, you are arguing with the wind for blowing[/quote]
The discussion we’re having right now has nothing to do with trump. It’s more about your complaints about my debates about trump. Which are vague and unsubstantiated, but which seem pretty important to you.
zkParticipant[quote=sdrealtor]
I know many of the people here personally that you try to create Trump debates with and they dont care for him either. Its kinda the one subject you want to talk about. We dont even have Trump trolls here. It is silly, beyond tiresome and distracts from the great mission our host embarked upon.
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I have no argument with you. [/quote]
Those statements contradict each other. You talk that shit and then blame me for starting something when I deny it. Your inability to see who’s starting what probably explains your earlier misconception.
zkParticipant[quote=sdrealtor] I know many of the people here personally that you try to create Trump debates with and they dont care for him either. Its kinda the one subject you want to talk about. We dont even have Trump trolls here. It is silly, beyond tiresome and distracts from the great mission our host embarked upon.
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I disagree that it’s silly. I think it’s the most important debate to be had right now. If it’s tiresome for you, put me on your ignore list.
A majority of my political posts are about truth and lies. So many of the reasons that trumpers support him are lies. (Not that supporters are lying, but they believe the lies they’re being told.) I try to point out those lies when they’re used to support trump (or used for anything else). That’s not “starting an argument.” It’s pointing out the lies that are destroying our country.
I’m pretty sure I haven’t started trump debates with “many” non trump-supporters other than pointing out lies. I think your memory might not be serving you well, there.
June 23, 2020 at 9:03 PM in reply to: What are people seeing in terms of loan rates, difficulty in getting loans? #818441zkParticipantNavy Federal CU is not doing HELOCs at all right now. Too busy or something.
zkParticipant[quote=Rich Toscano]Brian is banned.
And the people did rejoice.
Also PCinSD is banned for being a weird troll.[/quote]
Well done.
[quote=sdrealtor]Hallelujah and Thank you. Maybe we can get back to talking about real estate[/quote]
It’s been at least a decade since this forum has been strictly about real estate. If it ever was. And there are too many intelligent, thoughtful people here to waste on one subject. But getting back to fact-driven discussions in general will be great.
zkParticipant[quote=barnaby33]
Most folks prefer to go through life believing in a techno narcissist fantasy.
Josh[/quote]
Better than living in an anarcho-syndaclist fantasy, Dennis.
There’s some lovely filth down here!
zkParticipant[quote=Coronita]
She’s not sorry. She’s just sorry she and her husband were caught and her husband got fired from Raymond James and she lost her right to redistribute a cosmetic line with her own business. Tough shit.[/quote]
Entirely possible.
My post was a bit of a threadjack. This “I’m sorry if I offended anyone” that you hear so much nowadays is ridiculous. Not so much that people apologize that way as that they get away with it. They are seen as having apologized when they have taken no blame or responsibility.
To me, an apology is only a little bit about the recipient of the apology. It’s more about the giver of the apology taking responsibility, for him to say, “I was an asshole, and I’m sorry, and I’ll try to do better.” Saying, “I’m sorry you’re a pussy for being offended” doesn’t do that.
Maybe the person wasn’t offended at all. My response wouldn’t be to get offended. My response would be to form (or change) my opinion of the other person. I would think, “you’re an ignorant racist.” If the other person gives what I think is a genuine apology, and seems to understand that their behavior was wrong, I’d consider changing my opinion of them again. And any apology that sounds more like “you’re a pussy” than it sounds like “I did something bad” is not a genuine apology. The one Karen gave at least has the possibility of being genuine.
zkParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]Lisa Alexander is a Karen
https://nypost.com/2020/06/15/husband-of-lisa-alexander-fired-from-wealth-management-firm/%5B/quote%5DYes, for sure.
But at least her apology (who can know if it was genuine) was an actual apology as opposed to the “I’m sorry if anyone was offended by what I said” bullshit that seems to pass for an apology nowadays.
“I want to apologize directly to Mr. Juanillo. There are not enough words to describe how truly sorry I am for being disrespectful to him last Tuesday when I made the decision to question him about what he was doing in front of his home,”
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“I should have minded my own business. The last 48 hours has taught me that my actions were those of someone who is not aware of the damage caused by being ignorant and naive to racial inequalities,” she continued.
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“When I watch the video I am shocked and sad that I behaved the way I did. It was disrespectful to Mr. Juanillo and I am deeply sorry for that. I did not realize at the time that my actions were racist and have learned a painful lesson,”
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“I am taking a hard look at the meaning behind white privilege and am committed to growing from this experience,”
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“I would love to have coffee with Mr. Juanillo in our neighborhood so I can apologize in person and share a dialogue where I can continue to learn and grow and be a better person,” she said.That is a solid apology. When people say, “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” or “I”m sorry if I offended anyone,” that should not even be called an apology, because it’s not.
zkParticipant[quote=outtamojo]Apparently China would prefer a trump reelection for the long term damage he does to America’s world standing. Absolutely amazing and sad that America could be dumb enough to elect him twice.[/quote]
I honestly don’t think it would be remotely possible without right-wing propaganda.
zkParticipant[quote=Coronita]
You worry too much…Worst case is Trump gets term limited out.
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Well, I definitely worry too much.
But, in this case, I think 4 1/2 more years of trump and the irreparable damage to our country that it could cause is legitimately worrisome. Just having RBG replaced by another Kavanaugh is pretty terrifying. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes, the 6-3 ruling was a pleasant surprise. Hoping (but not thinking) that kind of thing keeps happening.
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