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ZK, i was talking to a liberal friend who said we need to consider the reasons the deplorables voted for Trump. His parents are deplorables.

My reaction was “are you kidding me, that will just enable them”.

Enabling the deplorables is not the solution; and being diplomatic while they spew out vile shit is worse. We need to treat the deplorable like we treated the Societ Union with cultural and economic superiority. Let them fall behind and suffer under Trump and eventually they will come crawling.[/quote]

Not sure how I feel about your plan, but I disagree that they’ll ever “come crawling.” The right-wing noise machine will have them convinced either that they’re doing great because of trump and the republicans in congress (even as they’re drowning) or that it’s all liberals’ fault that they’re drowning.

The last 30 years of right-wing propaganda has their heads so full of bs and rabid, insane hatred of liberals that they’d die before they’d come crawling to liberals. I mean that quite literally.

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Trump tweet:

“Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don’t know what to do. Love!”

This is our president, for god’s sake. How is anybody going to have any respect for a person who says such things?

You idiots have elected a child. And a douchebag loser child, at that.

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I predict Putin will play Trump like a fiddle.

(I’m not claiming that these predictions are all original. Many of them, such as this one, are so easy to predict that they might be considered all but inevitable. And they therefore have been predicted by many. But not, obviously, by Trump’s idiot voters.)

Trump’s emotional problems are obvious, and his reactions to praise and criticism are predictable, and Putin will use those tools to great effect in his manipulation of Trump. I predict Putin will be very shrewd and careful in his use of these tools. He’ll probably save the criticism for quite some time, until he’s got most or all of what he can get with praise. Because, as Trump’s behavior to date indicates, once you insult or criticize him, he turns into a small, vindictive, tantrum-throwing child, and it’s hard to get anything out of him. Putin, not being an idiot, knows this. He’ll save the criticism until he wants Trump to do something that only a vindictive, tantrum-throwing child would do.

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[quote=CA renter]ZK, you really need to look in the mirror. You’re projecting your weaknesses onto others.[/quote]

I challenge you to back up what you say (about ad hominem attacks) and you can’t, so you attack me (and with the “adult” version of “I know you are but what am I,” no less). Isn’t that exactly what I (and others) have been saying you do? And somehow this helps your case?

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[quote=CA renter]

What’s fascinating is that you posted this:

[quote=zk]Just like somehow you’re not wrong about Obama signing the “Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act” into law.

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…and then went on to insist that you are right, and that I’m the one who has a problem admitting when I’m wrong. Have you printed out the other thread and presented it to a psychologist yet? You’re in desperate need of help, zk.
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Actually, I didn’t “go on to insist that” I was right about that. I didn’t respond to that at all. So your claim that I’m in desperate need of help is based on yet another of your strange machinations where you find ways to discredit people that are not based in reality.
Technically, the bill he signed was not the bill you cited in the OP. It was the NDAA. Which does include an amended version of the bill you mentioned.

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It’s your binary thinking that has got you in such a pickle.
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The only one who thinks I’m in a pickle is you. And it’s your imagination.
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Life is more complex, and things tend to exist on a spectrum. Open your mind and stop worrying about whether someone else tells you if you’re right or wrong.
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Open my mind? Hilarious. You need to start paying more attention to when people tell you you’re wrong. If everyone thinks you’re wrong but you, you should try to figure out why that is.
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Just focus on the facts instead of name-calling, and you’ll be far better off.
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You continually accuse me of ad hominem attacks. I called you out on that on other threads, and you were never able to point them out. And you can’t point them out on this thread, either. Can you? Just one more technique you use when you’re wrong and need to discredit the other person. Accuse them of making ad hominem attacks, whether they have or not.

[quote=CA renter]

zk, the only people I’ve accused of being trolls are Pri and phaster. It’s pretty obvious that they are trolls — they are the very definition of trolls.
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mixxalot is the definition of a troll. Trying desperately to get a reaction out of bg and me. That is what a troll does. Pointing out your mistakes does not come anywhere near the definition of a troll.

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[quote=CA renter]

Your claim that my “attempts to discredit me and pass me off as a troll are pathetic and typical,” would indicate that you know me already and have debated me in the past since you used the word “typical.” So, are you a disinformation troll, or are you Pri/zk’s alter ego?[/quote]

Here’s a perfect example of how you twist things around to fit the idea that you’re right, even when you’re not.

You want to believe that gogo can’t be right (and therefore you wrong) so you want to discredit him. So you say (and, apparently, believe) that gogo’s claim – that you trying to discredit him and pass him off as a troll is typical – is evidence that he’s already debated you (and therefore he’s an alter ego). Anybody else who reads that claim of gogo’s (who has said he’s read this site for years) can see that his point is that it’s typical of you to try to discredit / pass off as a troll somebody who disagrees with you. Not to discredit and pass off him in particular as a troll. Not normally that important a distinction, but in this case, it’s a way for you to discredit him by trying to show that he’s an alter ego. I’m not sure how being an alter ego would make his points any less valid, but that’s not the point. The point is that you think it does, and therefore you want to believe it. And therefore you don’t see how you’ve misapplied logic. If you’ve got that 99th percentile IQ that you claim (and I have no reason to doubt that – high-IQ (which is different from smart) people can have believe-crazy-things issues and they can have seeing-when-they’re-wrong issues), then missing that bit of logic probably isn’t due to lack of intelligence. It’s probably due to yet another desperate attempt to not be wrong (in this case by discrediting the other person).

Fascinating.

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[quote=zk]
[to gogogosandiego:]I assure you you’re wasting your time and effort

It doesn’t take Nostradamus to predict she will respond with more nonsense and a complete inability to see anything she’s wrong about [/quote]

Pretty much everything she’s said since then has been that prediction coming true, but here it is in a nutshell:

[quote=CA renter] So, are you a disinformation troll, or are you Pri/zk’s alter ego?[/quote]

In CA Renter’s world, she’s twisted everything around so that these are the only options. The option where you’re making solid points – and she is wrong – does not exist.

Fascinating.

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[quote=CA renter]
Tell you what, zk… You print out that thread and the related PMs and take it to a psychologist who specializes in gender issues. Let’s see if they can get through to you.[/quote]

So, you read where I said, “I don’t really care” about that thread, right? (Also, you’re assuming you’re right, which…)

Again, what I might be obsessed with is your inability to see when you’re wrong. I’ve never really seen anything like it, and it’s fascinating. Even in your above post, you ignored the part where I said I don’t care about that other thread and told you my fascination was with your inability to see when you’re wrong. You made it about that other thread, which is not what it’s about, and never was. It was always about your inability to see when you’re wrong. I then asked why you keep ignoring it when I show you exactly where you’re wrong. And you ignore it again. Really, it’s fascinating to watch.

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[quote=CA renter]Okay, zk, I was trying to be nice, but you’re asking for it. You mentioned that you had issues with your mother that came to light while reading that other thread. That seems to be the source of your angst.

No, no never proved me wrong on that thread, and all of your ranting, raving, name-calling, and jumping up and down will never change that. What you did prove is is that you have a rather unhealthy obsession with the topic that doesn’t really affect you (unless it’s more the issues with your mother that are causing you such personal distress). Most of my posts had nothing at all to do with you; you were the one who kept trying to turn the discussion around to yourself. You come across as irrational and hysterical.

I had repeatedly said that we could agree to disagree, and attempted to leave it on a friendly note, but you were the one who kept pushing it. You can keep it up if you’d like, but if you want to continue that discussion, you need to revive that thread.

BTW, it would help both you and Pri if you would actually stick to the issues and stop flinging horse manure at the internet in the hopes that some of it will stick. Your ad hominem attacks do nothing to further your positions.

I had mentioned in the other thread, and I mention it here, again: It would serve you well to look in the mirror to see if you’re projecting some of your own issues onto others. You’re much more guilty of the things that you’ve accused me of.[/quote]

Your hysteria speaks quite clearly for itself. You really should seek help.

I’m not obsessed with that other thread. I don’t really care about it that much. I must admit I might be a little obsessed with your inability to see that you’re wrong, though. I do find it fascinating. That’s why I keep bringing it up.

I showed you exactly where I proved you wrong, and you ignored it (again). Why is that? Let me guess: It doesn’t look like anything to you.

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[quote=CA renter]As for the troll charge, this poster signed up 5 days ago, and has only commented on this thread. You can make of it what you will, but I’m an admin on a number of political FB pages, and we were hit with a bunch of spam attacks with the “fake news” bit. This new poster has the stench of a paid operative (and yes, the most definitely do exist — that is a fact).[/quote]

They’re watching you.

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[quote=CA renter]
Thank you for your input, gogogosandiego, Pigg member of 5 days.

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You’ve only been on piggington a week, gogogo. You can’t possibly know anything.

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Let me educate you a bit about your assertions.
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You obviously don’t know enough to educate CA Renter, you may only be educated by her.

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Your insistence on the MSM being the sole source of unbiased information shows a lack of insight and intelligence
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No one is as intelligent and insightful as the mighty CA Renter!! She is never wrong, even when everyone else thinks she is. Only others can be wrong!!
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or (as your new user ID could indicate) you’re one of the trolls unleashed on the internet to counter factual stories coming out of alternative news and information sources.
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Yes! That’s what trolls are all about. Why didn’t I see that before?! Unleashed by the establishment! They wear suits and ties and report directly to Mitch McConnell.

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Either that, or you’re just a new ID created by an existing poster in order to make it look like you have more support for your ideas than you really have. [/quote]
That’s less wacky than your troll theory. But still wacky. You should put them in crescendoing order of wackiness. You know, for effect. Gogogo is an uninsightful idiot. Plainly obvious that that’s not true, but only a little wacky. Fake ID. Wackier. Building up to the big one…..He’s a troll against alternative news!!! That’s really a humdinger. Gotta save that for last.

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[edited to delete unkind comments that don’t add to the discussion]

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You edited out something about me being irrationally obsessed with the other thread. Which is typical of you. I brought up the other thread to illustrate your complete inability to see when you’re wrong, even when it’s proven to you. You, amazingly enough, continued to assert that you were right. At that point, I was really curious how your mind works. I think I’m figuring it out (see next paragraph):

Then you went on to say that you hadn’t seen Westworld, and maybe I should spend less time watching tv and more time researching things. Again, typical of you. Hysterically lashing out at anybody who says you’re wrong. Because you can’t be wrong. It’s impossible. Your world would implode, so you can’t be wrong! I think that’s how your mind works.

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[edited to delete unkind comments that don’t add to the discussion]

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Not sure how any of the other things that I quoted above add to the discussion, either, and you left those on there.

Yes, I know I’m not contributing to the discussion. That’s impossible in a “discussion” with you. Nobody can educate you, you can only educate them. That’s not a discussion. That’s a lecture. And the professor is out to lunch. Figuratively. If she were literally out to lunch, the class would be better educated.

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[quote=gogogosandiego]You’ve gotten so much wrong in this thread I’m not even sure where to start….

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You followed this with a concise, rational, informed explanation of the things that she got wrong (some of the main ones, anyway).

I assure you you’re wasting your time and effort.

It doesn’t take Nostradamus to predict she will respond with more nonsense and a complete inability to see anything she’s wrong about (just like the Westworld automatons can’t see anything unusual when shown a picture of the outside world. “That doesn’t look like anything to me”).

The country (alas, the whole world) is full of people who believe what they want to believe, and no amount of rational argument will ever change that.

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[quote=CA renter]
It is a dead horse. Re-read the thread. I stand by what I’ve written there. What I posted is factual.

Gender stereotyping — a cultural and environmental input — affects how children are segregated, whether they self-segregate, or if their parents separate them into segregated groups. This is a fact.

Many parents segregate their childrens’ playgroups by gender. They often (usually) do this from a very early age. It is also much more common among parents with sons.[/quote]

That does provide some insight into how your brain works, which is what I was looking for.

When proven wrong, you just can’t see it. Interesting. Like I said, you’re like a Westworld automaton. You should watch that show for two reasons: 1). It’s great television. The first 2 episodes or so were ok, but it gets great after that. 2). So you can see how “That doesn’t look like anything to me” fits your style of thinking.

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[quote=CA renter]

I’ve looked, and you never proved me wrong. You’ve simply proved that you have a different opinion — one that is not based on either experience or education regarding this particular topic. It’s all literally your opinion, and you’re trying to present your opinion as fact. It’s clearly not.[/quote]

This is kind of a dead horse, but at this point I’m really curious how your brain works. Which of these is not a fact, and how do they not prove that you were wrong?

Fact: You said people segregated boys and girls for fear of feminizing boys.
Fact: I said you imagine that.
Fact: You said you didn’t.
Fact: You did imagine it, right there on that thread. You claimed I wanted to segregate boys and girls because I feared feminizing boys.
Fact: I had said no such thing.
Fact: You had imagined it (it wasn’t there, yet you saw it).
Ergo: You were wrong. You do imagine people wanting to segregate boys and girls for fear of feminizing boys. You did it right there on that thread.

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[quote=CA renter]

All the evidence is there in that thread, zk. You can choose to remain ignorant; I can’t force facts and logic down your throat.

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You look right at the facts, facts that unambiguously show that you’re wrong, and somehow then claim that I’m the ignorant one.

Stunning.

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